Water Sparkplug

[gmeast]

pre-installation

Hi everyone,

I finished mounting the hardware and here is a pic of the mounting panel I use to hold my stuff.

On the left is the 24 Watt support oscillator. Far right is the voltage multiplier that supplies 400 VDC to 350 VDC from 0-RPM to 3,500-RPM. The numbers are slightly different than from the bench ... to be expected though. Between them is the power supply cap (may not need it). Above the oscillator is the 500 Ohm anodized aluminum power resistor (current limiter / charge resistor). To the right of that there's a terminal strip and at the top is a 3 uF HV cap. No more storage cap because the multiplier serves that purpose.

I plopped it in, plugged it in and went for a 45 mile trip on the back roads. Wound the engine out, lugged it and ran it normal ... the whole nine yards. I hooked up the scope and got the typical discharge curve I've already posted. Getting ready for a water vapor test now .......... FINALLY !!!

Peace,

Greg

[Ansis Freimanis]

to all

Thank, You. I hope MPG tests will be successful too.

[Jetijs]

Nice work Greg

[Kinetix]

Hi guys.
I think Ansis Freimanis is right to a certain point. Any CDI can be made to have plasma sparks. In fact, a plasma generator is a modified CDI. It is indeed a Capacitor Discharge Ignition.
The diference is that in plasma generators the energy stored in the capacitor discharges directly on the sparkplug and is triggered by a HV spark. In a normal CDI, the energy discharges only on the primary winding of the ignition coil.
Another diference is that plasma spark manages to "explode" water, while the regular spark seems to be diminished by the water.
In fact, I don't know if we can speak about the "explosion" or "implosion", as those are processes that might need a more profound examination/measurements. The fact is that we can observe the increasing of the light and sound intensity of the plasma spark while it runs in a water vapour/mist environment, whatever those behaviour modification might be.
Well, this is what I understand right now, but it is very probable that others may understand more.
I would have liked to post a little about gaining mpg, but one of my diode strings have "burned"... It was a 25 X 1N4007 diode string... I still must find a better diode type to endure. Some of the diodes You use are not available in my country, at least in my town yet. I runned my car with 2 (out of 3) spark plugs with plasma, discharging about 80-117mj each time, for a day or so. No amazing improvement of the engine behaviour... Only it seemed to have a little more power at low rpm. And... some "electronic parasites" occured while listening to the FM radio station.
Maybe I should have adjusted the timing, but I had no time for that.
Nice work, Greg! Make that Bug fly!
All the best.

[gmeast]

Nice work Greg

Thanks Jetijs!

Greg

[lapperl]

Bill's Nexus circuit in vehicle update_3

Well I'm sorry to say that I do not have any mileage numbers to post. I still wound up having an issue with the cross talk, so I disconnected the circuit for a couple of days until I had time to resolve the issue. As of right now, with the the few days of testing I have been able to accomplish successfully, I do not feel very confident that there is an increase in MPG. There might actually be a decrease, but I do not want to speculate until I have been able to consume an entire tank of fuel with the plasma spark on.

As you know I previously switched to two HV diodes in parallel instead of the series string of 15 diodes and still experienced cross talk after a day of driving. So I tested the diodes by removing the plug wire from the plug and ran a wire out of the diode and gave it a close spark gap to ground to see if it would arc. With a single HV diode it arced very easily. So I daisy chained more of them in series until I had four and this eliminated the spark. Now I have four HV diodes in series going to each plug wire at the distributor cap. I do not think that I will see this issue again.

On a good note, I received my DC clamp on amp meter and performed some measurements on the inverter draw on the battery. I have the inverter and isolation tranny installed inside the vehicle on the passenger floor board so I do not have any RF issues with my meter. The inverter is only drawing 0.8 to 1.2 amps from the battery. I tested it while idling and revving the engine, and also as I was driving on the highway at 70 mph. The max amp draw that I saw was 1.2 amps!!

I also monitored the O2 sensor last night for a little over a half hour while the vehicle was idling in the driveway. The sensor definitely goes to a lean state when the plasma spark is on. This tells me two thing: 1) The sensor can be manipulated if there is no mileage increase and possibly substituted with water injection. 2) That the plasma is definitely providing us with a more complete burn of the fuel mixture!!

I will post a photo and any additional info tonight after my return trip at the end of the day.

Until then,


Lapper

[Ansis Freimanis]

to lapperl

Thanks for Your, report!

[gmeast]

parts

any chance of a circuit diagram and parts list that us electronics illiterate guys can work from (greg)

Yes no problem. I have already posted the oscillator as a replacement for the inverter ... no CMOS. The VexUs circuit is on line ... previous page. I will try and sketch the voltage multiplier ... Aaron posted this long ago but I'll find it and refer to it ... it's just large caps for the power demand. Give me a little time and I'll get a list together all in one post.

Greg

[ashtweth]

Hi Greg and Turbo, i think it might be in the groups doc, if you take a look at let me know how you want it in order after Greg posts ill throw it all together
Ganga Shakti -Water Spark plug research (PDF) - updated November 15 2008
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Wat...ark%20Plug.pdf


Ash

[lapperl]

Bill's Nexus Circuit in vehicle update_3 cont

Just wanted every one to know that the system ran flawlessly on the way home today. Not one miss fire/cross talk. As stated before the engine idles and runs smoother, with increased acceleration. I had to fill up on the way home also, so I have a new start point for a MPG comparison.

I have attached a picture of the new diode configuration.

Until the next update,

Lapper

[jstadwater]

Hey Guys,

I had a very good day today, "gotoluc" was at my shop here in Naples most of the day! We did a few experiments, played around with some electronics, discussed everything under the sun about free energy in general, and just had a grand old time! I learned quite a bit of info from him throughout the day, he is a fountain of knowledge. I definitely have some new things to try out and test now, that's for sure! Luc is a very nice guy, and it was really cool to have him explain some things in a few areas in different ways and directions than I had previously considered. Ya'll stay tuned in, it's about to get even more interesting!

@ Greg

You are right, the multiplier circuit sufices nicely to replace the need for the storage cap, I think it is even more efficient this way. Nice work putting that board together, so well arranged. I wish I could find some of those heat sinks to use on mine. Can't wait to hear your results from water vapor tests, I got some new tests coming up soon myself.

@ Luc

We enjoyed your company here today, and look forward to the next time you can make it into our area. Thanks for the explanations on stuff, and ALL the help you've given me and everyone else on this GREAT forum we're all a part of!

Later...............................Mike

[ashtweth]

If ALL you guys had your own research center , grant endorsed you would show the OIL companies who is really BOSS.(Thats my Job at Panacea -non profit)

Glad to her it Bro, Luc is pretty cool, he is a BORN inventor like Greg and others i know of here .

Ash

[gotoluc]

Hi Mike (jstadwater),

I'm back in Saint Petersburg, Florida and reading up on the days posts.

I had a great time today at your high end custom build auto shop. It was great to meet you and the boss . You are both good people and I enjoyed the time we talked and experimented together. I am very impressed with the work you have done and looking forward to the development to come.

The Success to date is due to us sharing and I thank you for doing your part.



Luc

[gmeast]

heat sinks

Hey Guys,

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@ Greg

You are right, the multiplier circuit sufices nicely to replace the need for the storage cap, I think it is even more efficient this way. Nice work putting that board together, so well arranged. I wish I could find some of those heat sinks to use on mine. Can't wait to hear your results from water vapor tests, I got some new tests coming up soon myself.

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Later...............................Mike

Hi Mike,

I got them from Mouser. The P/N is:

532-500403B00
$2.04 ea.
Aavid Thermalloy Heat Sink
BLACK ANODIZE TO-3

Peace,

Greg

[gotoluc]

Well I'm sorry to say that I do not have any mileage numbers to post. I still wound up having an issue with the cross talk, so I disconnected the circuit for a couple of days until I had time to resolve the issue. As of right now, with the the few days of testing I have been able to accomplish successfully, I do not feel very confident that there is an increase in MPG. There might actually be a decrease, but I do not want to speculate until I have been able to consume an entire tank of fuel with the plasma spark on.

As you know I previously switched to two HV diodes in parallel instead of the series string of 15 diodes and still experienced cross talk after a day of driving. So I tested the diodes by removing the plug wire from the plug and ran a wire out of the diode and gave it a close spark gap to ground to see if it would arc. With a single HV diode it arced very easily. So I daisy chained more of them in series until I had four and this eliminated the spark. Now I have four HV diodes in series going to each plug wire at the distributor cap. I do not think that I will see this issue again.

On a good note, I received my DC clamp on amp meter and performed some measurements on the inverter draw on the battery. I have the inverter and isolation tranny installed inside the vehicle on the passenger floor board so I do not have any RF issues with my meter. The inverter is only drawing 0.8 to 1.2 amps from the battery. I tested it while idling and revving the engine, and also as I was driving on the highway at 70 mph. The max amp draw that I saw was 1.2 amps!!

I also monitored the O2 sensor last night for a little over a half hour while the vehicle was idling in the driveway. The sensor definitely goes to a lean state when the plasma spark is on. This tells me two thing: 1) The sensor can be manipulated if there is no mileage increase and possibly substituted with water injection. 2) That the plasma is definitely providing us with a more complete burn of the fuel mixture!!

I will post a photo and any additional info tonight after my return trip at the end of the day.

Until then,


Lapper

Hi Lapper,

interesting that you post about not really seeing any Fuel economy since that is one of many topics we talked about today at Mike's (jstadwater) Custom Auto Shop.

Mike reports that when the plasma spark is switched on the Suburban V8 test vehicle his sensor monitoring program shows the oxygen sensors start sending a lean out command and then all kinds of activity starts to happen but then re-calibrates. What I think is happening and Mike seamed to agree, is the computer is seeing a very sudden change and decides to look at history (in case of a sensor malfunction) and sees no history event like is going on and decides to overrides the sensors and uses the past history data. So if this is the case you loose the possible fuel saving.

I'm not sure this is happening in your case but it should be considered. I'm no expert, so if anyone is reading this that could help please share. I have read somewhere that if you disconnect the battery for more than an hour on some vehicles you could clear the history but even still the manufacturer could of set fixed minimums anyway. I'm not suggesting you or anyone do this all I'm trying to do is share that until we have full control of the computer or engine calibrations we may not see any fuel savings. Many are reporting an engine performance difference so we know the Plasma Spark is doing something but I have no yet seen a post that someone has retarded the timing to TDC and leaned out the air to fuel ratio with the Plasma Spark. We shall see who will be the first one to achieve this.... anyone for bets

Luc