Water Sparkplug

[revizal]

Plasma Effect on Gasoline Vapour

Hi All,
Today I tested the plasma effect on gasoline vapour. I made an apparatus that make me able to introduce plasma to gasoline vapour flow before burned. I used self pulsed DPDT relay to simulate engine RPM approx 30 Hz. This below the link:

YouTube - Plasma Effect on Gasoline Vapour

I got explotion and implotion effect on it. Hydrogen enrichment gas ? I donot know. May be someone in this forum could explain that ?

I tought plasma act as catalytic fuel reformer to produce H2 when burn gasoline vapour (seen as explotion effect). Later, I will introduce this system to my GEET genset to see the effect on RPM and we will see if it worked too on diesel fuel.

Thank you,

Revizal.

[Ansis Freimanis]

Hi, Revizal!

Maybe I am not right, but... You burning gasoline vapor twice- one time with your sparkplug (in pipe) and second with flame on the outside of pipe. When you see- no flame- there is combustible gases from sparkplug coming out- that is no flame situation.
I think, so.

[revizal]

Maybe I am not right, but... You burning gasoline vapor twice- one time with your sparkplug (in pipe) and second with flame on the outside of pipe. When you see- no flame- there is combustible gases from sparkplug coming out- that is no flame situation.
I think, so.

Hi Ansis,

I'm not sure. Because I could not prove it with proper mesurement. It only my visual observation. Need someone prove with proper equipment to show us the real happen. I just try to see what MIT done with their Plasmatron.

Any suggestion how to get it better ?

Rev.

[gotoluc]

Hi All,
Today I tested the plasma effect on gasoline vapour. I made an apparatus that make me able to introduce plasma to gasoline vapour flow before burned. I used self pulsed DPDT relay to simulate engine RPM approx 30 Hz. This below the link:

YouTube - Plasma Effect on Gasoline Vapour

I got explotion and implotion effect on it. Hydrogen enrichment gas ? I donot know. May be someone in this forum could explain that ?

I tought plasma act as catalytic fuel reformer to produce H2 when burn gasoline vapour (seen as explotion effect). Later, I will introduce this system to my GEET genset to see the effect on RPM and we will see if it worked too on diesel fuel.

Thank you,

Revizal.

WOW Revizal... excellent test setup idea ... very interesting effect. It would be interesting if you could have the flame hit a piece of steel that would have a thermometer to see the differences in temperature. I would also like to see water steam introduced by a control valve so you can cut off and see the difference with or without it. If you try it, get a Y connector and have it as close to the plasma spark so it has no time to condensate. Maybe you can use the flame to create your steam, one drop at the time in a stainless container

Great work ... thanks for sharing

Luc

[gmeast]

update

Short report:

Hi all,

Well, I'm coming up on 300 miles in this test. I've never gotten more than 25 MPG with in the '64 Bug. It was rebuilt once to 1300CC from the stock 1200CC. The factory spec in the owner's manual (actual original manual) says 31 MPG US ... that's with the stock 1200CC engine. Nothing else is different other than the punch-out to 1300CC except I did put a centrifugal advance distributor on it ... the original vacuum advance system failed and I couldn't get replacement parts.

I'm looking forward to installing a real controllable water metering system though because the needle valve approach is fine but I can't adjust the water flow against the mass air flow (engine RPM).

I'll refill at 300 miles. I'll also take a look at the spark plugs.

Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

Test Report

Well ........

I completed my first test run. I drove 300 miles. 65% of that was freeway miles at 55 MPH. The rest was around town, stop and go, my guess is average about 20 MPH - 40 MPH.

I want to say that the factory hype for this vehicle with the stock 1200 CC engine was 31.5 MPG (U.S.). I had the engine rebuilt - new jugs and pistons - which made it 1300 CC - a bigger engine with much more power - same carb as for the 1200 CC.

During the test I ran the Vexus Circuit with its own Oscillator and Voltage Multiplier (doubler). I also made a water drip system that forced steam to be aspirated into the carburetor at a set rate (Bug-on-I-V).

I topped the tank off with 8.44 Gallons of regular gasoline.

Do the math. Not only did we beat the factory estimate by 13% for the stock 1200 CC engine, we beat it with an even bigger, more powerful 1300 CC engine. We also beat the best mileage I ever got on this engine by 43 %!

Spark Plugs:

I did NOT use new spark plugs for this test. The plugs in it are the ones I've been using all along for the bench tests and Vexus Circuit development (in vehicle). I have no real estimate of the 'abuse' miles on these plugs.

I have included a photo of the #1 spark plug along side a new plug. There HAS been wear, so this needs attention ... maybe a different electrode configuration. The left hand plug is from the bug and gauges at 0.041" and the new plug gauges at 0.029".

This test has been conclusive on several fronts ... at least for me.


PLASMA RULES ! ! !


Peace,

Greg

[jstadwater]

Great test Greg!!!

I always like to hear your results, they are always good! A suggestion for the plugs.....Try the marine plug that Champion makes. You would have to get your current plug thread pattern and depth (not hard to figure out). They do not have an "arc" strap but are open on the end, the spark jumps all around the end of the plug instead of all in one spot. I use these plugs and the plasma effect is even better than using regular plugs. The fact that the arc hits in different locations around the end of the plug equals far extended life, I feel. As hard and fast as I fire mine for the V-8, I still have no damage.

I should be using the new power supply tomorrow morning, I will have a voltage TRIPLER hooked to it. I will post what happens. I may not be able to tell how much voltage though, I can only measure to 600V with my meter. How much voltage did you get out of it with a doubler?

Great work, once again, keep on keeping on! Later...........................Mike

[jstadwater]

Just finished the mods on my fogger head, it blasts through deisel fuel even at 75 degrees and makes fog. I will heat it to see if the fog increases. And then test gasoline also. Later.....................................Mike

[gmeast]

Voltage

I always like to hear your results, they are always good! A suggestion for the plugs.....Try the marine plug that Champion makes. You would have to get your current plug thread pattern and depth (not hard to figure out). They do not have an "arc" strap but are open on the end, the spark jumps all around the end of the plug instead of all in one spot. I use these plugs and the plasma effect is even better than using regular plugs. The fact that the arc hits in different locations around the end of the plug equals far extended life, I feel. As hard and fast as I fire mine for the V-8, I still have no damage.

I should be using the new power supply tomorrow morning, I will have a voltage TRIPLER hooked to it. I will post what happens. I may not be able to tell how much voltage though, I can only measure to 600V with my meter. How much voltage did you get out of it with a doubler?

Great work, once again, keep on keeping on! Later...........................Mike

Hi Mike,

My oscillator produces a good solid 200 VDC. It self regulates pretty good up until about a 40 - 50 Watt load then begins to sag. The 'doubler' indeed doubles. I get 400 VDC under no load. As the VexUs draws power the doubler's output varies from 385 VDC to 355 VDC from idle to 3500 RPM respectively.

Other topic: I'm definitely taking your advice on the spark plug. I can see where the kind of plug you recommend would last longer. The search is on! My plugs are 14mm x 1.25 mm ... don't know how the metric plugs specify the reach.

Peace,

Greg

[Jetijs]

Greg, this is awesome!
Your results are pretty amazing!
Thank you!

In the mean time I have made a casing for my ultrasonic fogger. I attached a small fan so that air is blown through the case and the fog comes out the other end. Here is a picture:



I also made a video. Enjoy:
YouTube - Fun with ultrasonic fogger

[jstadwater]

Hey Greg,

The plugs I use are also M14 X 1.25! Here is the Champion part number, L76V. Here is also the link to the Champion website to order them:

One bad sparkplug

I attached a pic of my plug beside a tape measure, if the reach of your plug is about a half inch..........problem solved! It looks like the same number of threads in your pic. I think you'll like the better plasma these things make.

I heated the deisel fuel to 125 degrees F and it made MUCH more fog than at 75 degrees! Now let's semi-GEET this thing and make some SERIOUS fog!


@JETIJS

Nice box dude! Cool vid too, that's ALLOT more fog with gasoline than water! I had a similar idea, push the fog to the intake. I can position the tube close to the intake at a point to only get "vacuum-pull" at higher throttle. At lower throttle, I'm letting my HHO booster push the fog to the intake. More tests coming....................................Mike

[gmeast]

spark plug

Hey Greg,

The plugs I use are also M14 X 1.25! Here is the Champion part number, L76V. Here is also the link to the Champion website to order them:

One bad sparkplug

I attached a pic of my plug beside a tape measure, if the reach of your plug is about a half inch..........problem solved! It looks like the same number of threads in your pic. I think you'll like the better plasma these things make.

I heated the deisel fuel to 125 degrees F and it made MUCH more fog than at 75 degrees! Now let's semi-GEET this thing and make some SERIOUS fog!


@JETIJS

Nice box dude! Cool vid too, that's ALLOT more fog with gasoline than water! I had a similar idea, push the fog to the intake. I can position the tube close to the intake at a point to only get "vacuum-pull" at higher throttle. At lower throttle, I'm letting my HHO booster push the fog to the intake. More tests coming....................................Mike

Hi Mike,

Thank you very much. You have save me much time and frustration !

Mine looks just like the picture.

Thanks again,

Greg

[gmeast]

resistor

Hey Greg,

The plugs I use are also M14 X 1.25! Here is the Champion part number, L76V. Here is also the link to the Champion website to order them:

One bad sparkplug

I attached a pic of my plug beside a tape measure, if the reach of your plug is about a half inch..........problem solved! It looks like the same number of threads in your pic. I think you'll like the better plasma these things make.

...............................Mike

Hi Mike,

These are resistor plugs, right? Do you have trick / tips for making the resistorless?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

[revizal]

GEET+Plasma Catalityc Converter Setup

All,

I just made a series test introducing plasma (as catalityc fuel reformer) into GEET engine. My genset supply with 100% gasoline from a carburetor and runs on original ignition (magneto). I used two kind of setups:
1. Plasma is introducing infront of the reactor (after the carburetor).
Result ==> Plasma didnot worked caused of mist gasoline from carburetor make spark plug wet (only about 5 sparks appear from discharging 47 uF Cap)
2. Plasma is introducing after the reactor (before fresh air mix valve).
Result ==> Plasma still didnot worked with the same reason.

Here below are some pictures.
I think it need to increase current injection to the Cap (and increase the capacitant also) to make it work at more wetting situation.

Thank you,

Rev.

Plasma Catalyst Setup-1-1.jpg

Plasma Catalyst Setup-1-2.jpg

Plasma Catalyst Setup-1-3.jpg

Plasma Catalyst Setup-2-1.jpg

Plasma Catalyst Setup-2-2.jpg

Plasma Catalyst Setup-2-3.jpg

[ashtweth]

Man..all the GEET guys now are doing the plasma thanks to you Rev Over at the Vortex heat exchanger group. We are welding the GEET pipes for the Brigg's tomorrow. So will try you circuit on there. Man Greg that is awesome will up date you guys PDF

imagine the whole of Indonesia with these GEET/plasma ,. zero emission!!