Water Sparkplug

[Aaron]

plasma plugs

Hi Greg,

Is that without even a basic CDI running?

[Kinetix]

Hello, guys.
Well, Greg, I was suspecting something with your ignition coil. Being old, it could not sustain a too high voltage that could broke down your HV diodes. I am very curious about your new coil. I hope your NTE517 will endure.
Best wishes.

[Aaron]

plug material

Can someone post a simple paragraph on the plug material that I can add to the plug replication doc that I posted?

Ash? Did you modify the doc before posting on your website or is it a different one altogether?

I saw a lot of your comments on the materials but is there a consensus as to what is the ultimate material to use?

[Jetijs]

How about pure silver as the spark plug ground rod material?? I mean many people use silver coated copper rods as spark gaps. That much silver shouldn't cost too much.

[gmeast]

diodes

Hello, guys.
Well, Greg, I was suspecting something with your ignition coil. Being old, it could not sustain a too high voltage that could broke down your HV diodes. I am very curious about your new coil. I hope your NTE517 will endure.
Best wishes.

Hi Kinetix,

The new coil now in the Bug is the coil I have always used in the bench tests. The HV diode in that setup only got hot from the current but never failed. Once I upped the voltage at the CDI cap and dropped the cap to 1 uF - 4 uF it cooled off. We will see what happens. But my plasma circuit might be obsolete now by the looks of the new plugs' plasma.

I had re-jetted from 'real lean' back to 'stock', but my weak coil discovery prompted me to revisit the leaner jet. I put the leaner jet in this afternoon and it ran very strong.

Greg

[gmeast]

new plug plasma

Hi Greg,

Is that without even a basic CDI running?

Hi Aaron,

Yes ... just an inductive ignition. At atmospheric it requires a plasma circuit (like the VexUs or a CDI) but not at pressure. I will make a video of a new Krupa0.090 nickel plug in the pressure fixture showing all modes ... it was unexpected !

Greg

[magnetO]

Hello, guys.
Well, Greg,........ I hope your NTE517 will endure.
Best wishes.

Yes, I hope too, but do NOT believe it!


I'm discharging a 16uF cap at 400VDC through only two diode strings per cylinder. (Not three diodes parallel, like gmeast). But each string consists of two NTE517 and 10 Ohm resistor (cement) in row.

I had too much problems with diodes cant resist the HV priorly!

No warming of diodes at all now!


Waiting for a set of ball plugs.................

Best regards
magnetO

[Aaron]

@Greg

Greg, that sounds amazing. I wonder why Krupa would have needed to use a souped up crane cam ignition for?

There are probably plenty of people that will never have these plugs if they don't make them on their own because the Firestorm's were supposed to be available every single year for the last so many years and they're still not available...so the plasma circuit is still pretty valuable for them.

What is the exact schematic of what your whole system is now? Is the one in Ash's doc the most recent?

If a regular ignition works with the plasma plugs that simplifies things. But maybe there is a point to where some added capacitors will boost the effect. And if it does, none of the cdi stuff is necessary and just a cap in parallel to the plugs are all that are needed...if they do add anything.

[gmeast]

link

Greg, that sounds amazing. I wonder why Krupa would have needed to use a souped up crane cam ignition for?

There are probably plenty of people that will never have these plugs if they don't make them on their own because the Firestorm's were supposed to be available every single year for the last so many years and they're still not available...so the plasma circuit is still pretty valuable for them.

What is the exact schematic of what your whole system is now? Is the one in Ash's doc the most recent?

If a regular ignition works with the plasma plugs that simplifies things. But maybe there is a point to where some added capacitors will boost the effect. And if it does, none of the cdi stuff is necessary and just a cap in parallel to the plugs are all that are needed...if they do add anything.

Hi Aaron,

This is embarrassing but I always have a terrible time navigating the Panacea site looking for the PDF referencing our work, updates and all. Send me the link and I'll review Ash's latest PDF.

Thanks,

Greg

[Aaron]

Ash's doc

Hi Greg,

Here's the link:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Wat...ark%20Plug.pdf

Thanks!

[gmeast]

system

Hi Greg,

Here's the link:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Wat...ark%20Plug.pdf

Thanks!

Hi Aaron,

What's installed in the Bug consists of the new nickel Krupa plugs and the following:

Greg

*presently using 2uF CDI cap, 2000uF front end (or back end) cap
*single spark plug shown ... just multiply in parallel ... common diodes then go to R1 / C1
*there is an "on-off" knife switch in common diode line going to R1 / C1
*4 ea. NTE517's in parallel each plug


the doubler shown at inverter output is not used


*space upper-left and lower-center for fans (not shown)
*caps are 1uF

[Robert E.]

plasma plugs

Can someone post a simple paragraph on the plug material that I can add to the plug replication doc that I posted?

Ash? Did you modify the doc before posting on your website or is it a different one altogether?

I saw a lot of your comments on the materials but is there a consensus as to what is the ultimate material to use?

Aaron, I used steel to make the ball and 1/16 inch tig welding rod to make the cage ground. I have run them 1,000 miles and show no wear with standard ignition. I will have plasma ignition soon and will keep an eye on them. Robin's plugs are more accurate and should work better than mine but right now my plugs are doing very well with 30% better mpg and NO plasma on my 1988 Dodge Raider. Bob

[Aaron]

Bug Pics

Thanks Greg!

Do you have one folder with all your Bug pics? Do you mind if I put this all in 1 pdf and make it avail for download here?

[Aaron]

plugs

Thanks Bob.

Has anyone done a single half loop on the plugs instead of 2 half loops?

Also, what is the nickel materials for the plugs? Is it just pure nickel? Is that for the both the sphere and loops or only sphere or only loops?

[Aaron]

updated how to make plasma plug doc

This is updated

Please download
http://www.esmhome.org/library/rober...lasmaplugs.pdf

NOTE: These plugs are patented so everyone knows only Robert Krupa can do anything commercial with them, please respect this and I have no doubt that everyone here does. Anyone can make a personal copy of something in a patent for personal use and that is about it - as far as I know.