Water Sparkplug Practical Application

[Aaron]

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Hi all,

This thread is for posting info about the water sparkplug in actual practical application experiments as it relates to using on engines of various types.

For study on the spark, mechanicsm, circuit and ideas of what the effect is, please see the original water sparkplug thread here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...sparkplug.html

[Jetijs]

Ok now,
I think that I am ready to try instaloling the intensifier circuit (the one with UPS) in my car. Now, what would the reccomended wiring be? Should I use one bridge, one cap and one diode string and then just attach the LV output to all the spark plugs in parallel like this?



Or should I better make a separate bridge/cap/diode string section for each spark plug like this?



The second setup will allow some time for the caps to recharge, because as one cap fires, other three have time to recharge, but in the first setup there is only one cap and it is fired 4 times more often and has less time to charge up. What do you think?

[citfta]

Re: single or multiple intensifiers

Hi Jetijs, In your first drawing the low voltage wiring has all the spark plugs tied together. When one plug tries to fire all the rest of them will also. The second drawing is probably a good way to go. Good luck, Citfta

[Jetijs]

Citfta,
you are right, thank you for pointing that out

[Tarkus]

Observation

Jetis: Your first diagram should work fine, the plugs shouldn't fire until high voltage is applied by the distributor leaving the low voltage<amperage as a potential only until that time.

This may leave the charge/discharge time of your circuit the limiting factor.

Just a guess, I may be way off.

Good luck

[Redmeanie]

Jet,
I don't think that will work as we want. Im seeing the need to implement relays to trigger these events as the drawing that Rick has a link to that I cleaned up. Its the S1R1 Guys original drawings and it shows the Distributer triggering the Relay if Im not mistaken. Print it and REALLY Take a Close look at it, It makes sense to me. Of course we can improve on his set-up because he was using Appliance Relays, but the concept makes perfect sense.

[Redmeanie]

Crude Drawing....

But this is what Im thinking about going in this direction...Im know an electronic based ignition can be manipulated this way, so a Distributer should be able to run this also. Of course this way would require extra coils but Im thinking of going the plug mounted route anyway.

Oops my drawing is missing the cap, but imagine it there.....

[Jetijs]

Red, I don't quite understand your circuit. What is supposed to happen there? Shouldn't the distributor be placed between spark plug and induction coil? Maybe it is just hard to imagine because the cap and the switch is not there.
Anyway, I would like to start with the circuit I posted above, because I already made some bench tests with it and somehow understand how it works. Also I can't say that I can trust S1R1 schematics, for example his custom wound transformer with a nail as the core. Numerous users from overunity forum habe tried to make one of these but none of them worked. So I rather start with a circuit that has been proven to work to some degree. I don't know if this will make the car run on water, but at least it should make some fuel ecconomy. At first I will attach the LV side to only one spark plug and see if there is a difference in spark appearance. If there will be a greater spark, then I will do this with all the spark plugs and try to start the engine just with the intensified spark and gas as fuel. Turning my UPS/inverter on and off should make a difference in idle RPMs, right? If turning the UPS/inverter ON will increase the RPMs, then I think we are on the right track.
Any comments?

[Redmeanie]

Red, I don't quite understand your circuit. What is supposed to happen there? Shouldn't the distributor be placed between spark plug and induction coil? Maybe it is just hard to imagine because the cap and the switch is not there.
Anyway, I would like to start with the circuit I posted above, because I already made some bench tests with it and somehow understand how it works. Also I can't say that I can trust S1R1 schematics, for example his custom wound transformer with a nail as the core. Numerous users from overunity forum habe tried to make one of these but none of them worked. So I rather start with a circuit that has been proven to work to some degree. I don't know if this will make the car run on water, but at least it should make some fuel ecconomy. At first I will attach the LV side to only one spark plug and see if there is a difference in spark appearance. If there will be a greater spark, then I will do this with all the spark plugs and try to start the engine just with the intensified spark and gas as fuel. Turning my UPS/inverter on and off should make a difference in idle RPMs, right? If turning the UPS/inverter ON will increase the RPMs, then I think we are on the right track.
Any comments?

Ok,
Instead of the Distributer Main coming from the coil, it is powered by 12V. A points distributer should effectively become a 12 V switch. This switching triggers the SPDT Relay which Triggers the Coil. This could be duplicated for however many Cylinders the Engine has.

Look at this set-up and imagine the Inverter in place, and also the Relay in place of the switch. National High Magnetic Field Laboratory - Ignition Coil Tutorial

Let me know If my theory is Way Off Here....

[Aaron]

diode placement on coil

Jetijs,

If you have the HV diode input at the low voltage + on the coil and the HV diode output connected directly to the coil's HV output...it will automatically be at every plug when the distributor makes the connection.

Simply connect both ends of the HV diode directly between coil + input and coil + output. The diode input doesn't have to be connected to the + on the capacitor...when the capacitor dumps to coil, it is automatically there anyway.

[Jetijs]

Red, so if I understood you correctly, you suggest to use a separate ignition coil for each spark plug and trigger them with the help of the distributor which will in this case just act as a switch? Wouldn't in this case the relay cause a delay?
Aaron, thanks for your schematic

[Redmeanie]

Red, so if I understood you correctly, you suggest to use a separate ignition coil for each spark plug and trigger them with the help of the distributor which will in this case just act as a switch? Wouldn't in this case the relay cause a delay?
Aaron, thanks for your schematic

Not Noticeable, Especially if we use High speed Relays. If so it can be triggered sooner just by adjusting the Distributor timing. I mean this is just theory at this point, but if the original was done with Appliance Relays (Very Slow) then it should definetly work with better relays.

I was also looking this route because you could trigger Injectors at High Pressure the same way to get your mist.

[Redmeanie]

Also, Im thinking this whole setup will only work on low to mid revving engines. Which yours definetely should be, since its carburetted. Newer High RPM engines would not be ideal to try and convert due to many reasons, including difficulty in Tunning it once we can get it going.

Also you were correct on me planning on 1 coil per plug.

[Jetijs]

Red, but are those distributor contacts actually touching or they just slide by each other with a minimal air gap so that the high voltage has no problem to jump across. If they are not actually touching, then there is a problem.

[Redmeanie]

Red, but are those distributor contacts actually touching or they just slide by each other with a minimal air gap so that the high voltage has no problem to jump across. If they are not actually touching, then there is a problem.

No the Gap is VERY Very Minute. If it won't jump, we can either run the 120 VDC through it, or modify the points. The Components are very simple in a Distributor with points so I don't think you would have any problems making it work.