Water Sparkplug Practical Application

[rick123]

cap70 latest circuit. well almost, I have one 480 md, 6kv cap instead of three 2kv. and I am using a full bridge rectifier. I can't get it to fire. The ignition coil heats up fast. I will try a voltage double this weekend and see what happens.
The triod coild is hidden behind the light bulb.
I got one of those handle held motors for starting model airplanes and it works great for turning over motors!

[rickoff]

Rick123: About the capacitance

Cap70 says, "Do not go for higher capacitance, use 1000pf [total, maximum capacitance] or less for better results. Higher the capacitance lower the LC oscillations and more number of turns required to get it work. Lower the capacitance, higher the LC oscillation frequency."

He says it is best to use 5 capacitors, of 4200pf and 2,000V ratings each) in series, so that voltage will not drop across capacitors. He figures his total capacitance at around 500pf with 5 capacitors of approx 4200pf in series. He is using AC polyester film capacitors.

Cap70 says, "Don't go for single high voltage capacitor, use of multiple capacitors perfectly blocks HV. If you use high value of capacitor all HV gets dropped across capacitor and no spark at primary side, no spark on secondary. If you see spark on primary side and no spark on secondary, It means you need more number of turns for secondary or higher insulation resistance of wire. For LV side 470uF capacitor works nice."

For the coils, Cap 70 says, "Coil 8 turns primary (can be transformer wire) and 24 turns secondary. Use good insulation wire for secondary (don't go for transformer wire as shown in [circuit] picture). Use wire for secondary as shown in green color [on the circuit diagram]." Otherwise, he says, the secondary windings will heat up and can burn the insulation off and start arcing. So the correct configuration is opposite of what is shown in the coil photo, and with the number of turns stated above.

Some tips on getting things running:
Cap70 says, "spark gap is having relation with voltage, at what voltage primary triggered is decided by the gap [of the switching plug on the primary side]. Try to use high current ignition coil for this experiment so that drop across all circuit can be kept minimum. Also CDI ignition system gives a little better results. I have taken more test with coil, I don't see any disadvantage of little inductance of coil."

That should help some, I hope! I'd like to see you get it running.

Good luck to you, Rickoff

[rip]

Yes, that is correct, but unfortunately the distributor contacts do not touch each other so it will not act as a low voltage switch.

Jetis why don't you try and solder a tag or flexible extension on the rotor inside the distributor? wouldn't this give you the switching you need?

Basically turning your distributor into a reed switch of sorts?

[Capacitor70]

Rick123

Hi Rick123

Thanks for replicating my system, I want to mention few points.
1. Start with gasoline adjust carburetor to run engine at high RPM so that maximum fuel can go into engine.
2. Once you adjust at high RPM start with water.

Look at this video, it is similar to Stan Mayer Water fuel injector.
YouTube - Capacitor70 coil replication! Sand Blast Nozzle

My plans for developments
1. Make circuit which works well at higher spark gap.
2. Make Spark plug design similar to Stan Mayer.
3. Observe the heat generated by spark plug and flame travel distance.
4. Pressure tests.
5. Time to put spark plug on engine.

Higher the spark gap louder and bigger flame.
Glow discharge is not useful it cools the spark plug, see that you are not getting that, To get it properly working you need arc discharge.

feel free to message me on youtube

Best luck

[rickoff]

Hi Capacitor 70

It is good to see you back here again, and to learn more about your ongoing experimentation. Do you have any still shots, or video that you can share with us that shows the improved arc obtained with your 8p:24s coil circuit? Since you have already had some practical success, that would be very helpful to us in determining the arc size, color, and pattern that we should aim for in practical applications that attempt to replicate your circuitry. Thanks for any and all tips that you can provide.

Best regards,

Rickoff

[Capacitor70]

Spark Size

These spark are using diode circuit.
Spark plug diameter is 1 inch.
1. Without water 0.5 inch plasma
2. With water. 1.5 to 2 inch water arc

Spark gap is very important, remember plasma blast makes enough pressure and suddenly makes vacuum (go for high compression ratio engine). It can be seen in Xbox (Thenewtravalsource) presure test video. I am not experimenting right now.

[kuasar]

Mucho Video

Has anyone seen this video, or is this individual perhaps somewhere in this group?

YouTube - Plasma spark in running engine

I took my electronics to my truck and hooked up a few different arrangements. The best I could do, without adding the inverter, cap, etc., was to retard and stall the engine. I figured it was a little too low of voltage coming from the car, but I had to see it to rule it out.
Has anyone else tried just adding the diode principle to the existing stock setup of the car?
I have not pulled a plug yet to see what it actually looked like, my boy woke up and my wife is just off the night shift sleeping, so that will have to wait.
And I should probably find a small engine to work on to avoid any problems getting to work.. lol
Thanks,

Marcel
Is there a spell checker on this thing?

Hello
I'm new to this forum, but I have years of practicing, watching and trying to replicate the few and almost no channels .... there are many videos but none put the actual circuit that I use, there is enough business between those who sell information, but for those who want to test the circuits Noson clear, to say the information "? .. Sorry for my English but I'm Spanish. Hopefully they will get more information on the diagrams, I have several but none worked

[kuasar]

Ok, here is the updated circuit:

Hello
I'm new to this forum, but I have years of practicing, watching and trying to replicate the few and almost no channels .... there are many videos but none put the actual circuit that I use, there is enough business between those who sell information, but for those who want to test the circuits Noson clear, to say the information "? .. Sorry for my English but I'm Spanish. Hopefully they will get more information on the diagrams, I have several but none worked

[dave_cahoon]

Hi Group,

Has anyone tried simply connecting a HV cap (30kv 250-300pf) from the spark plug top to ground?

While making up a ignition circuit for a Lister Diesel Engine converted to wood-gas/methane I tried the cap across the gap. Quite a difference in the disruptive discharge.

Doorknob Caps worked here on the bench. 500mmf-pf was to much at low speeds. so i used 2 in series...

You can connect the cap while the engine is running just be sure to do the ground first. GRIN

Im down with Gout or I would have gone and done that outside. Like Last Week!

Keep Having fun
Dave

[dave_cahoon]

In my last post I wanted to post this circuit also, and I forgot to attach it.
I cant remember where I found this circuit or if I drew the thing..
A bit more On Topic. The discharge path should be thick wire.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Hi Group,

Has anyone tried simply connecting a HV cap (30kv 250-300pf) from the spark plug top to ground?

While making up a ignition circuit for a Lister Diesel Engine converted to wood-gas/methane I tried the cap across the gap. Quite a difference in the disruptive discharge.

Doorknob Caps worked here on the bench. 500mmf-pf was to much at low speeds. so i used 2 in series...

You can connect the cap while the engine is running just be sure to do the ground first. GRIN

Im down with Gout or I would have gone and done that outside. Like Last Week!

Keep Having fun
Dave

This is basically the idea behind the original pulstar spark plugs... I think they also incorporated a small inductor in series also.... but I've read that the latest versions are complete scams??? not sure, but you can buy them on special order at Advance Auto Parts.

And for an other practical use of the water spark plug circuit: TESLA COILS!!!!!!!! Unidirctional Current Quenching without magnets, air puffs, or multiple gaps.... With this circuit (I think Aaron said in an other thread that he had made a 10 million watt discharge), we might be able to get that 12 million volts that Tesla so easily produced, with just a car battery

[Aaron]

watts not volts

(I think Aaron said in an other thread that he had made a 10 million watt discharge)

That is watts and not volts and for a very small period of time. Impulse.

[skaght]

red neon flashes blue????

I've been trying to simplify the circuit to make a battery charger. I'm using a 90 volt neon for my spark gap. My supply is 100 volts. While trying to build an automatic discharge circuit to dump a high voltage charged capacitor through the neon, I started getting intense blue flashes out of the neon bulb. Has anyone else seen this before??? The bulb still works and is typically putting out the classic orange glow. I'm guessing either there's a higher electron orbital that I'm exciting the neon electrons into, or that there's some other short-lived reaction. The effect is easy to produce if you light a neon and then charge a 20 uF capacitor 20-30 volts over the running voltage of the neon and dump the capacitor through the neon bulb.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

That is watts and not volts and for a very small period of time. Impulse.

exactly... it's watts that make the magnetic field (correct me if I'm wrong), and the shorter the impulse, the more of an effect it has.... Just what the doctor ordered for tickling a Tesla coil.

[Aaron]

impulse

exactly... it's watts that make the magnetic field (correct me if I'm wrong), and the shorter the impulse, the more of an effect it has.... Just what the doctor ordered for tickling a Tesla coil.

I believe it would be a great driver even though I don't have much
experience with all the big HV Tesla coils.

Actually only the movement of current makes the magnetic field without
the watts. The watts is only the measurable dissipation that was lost in
order to create that magnetic field to begin with. So watts isn't the work
as stated in the conventional literature - it is only the loss that was
experienced while the work was done. A magnetic field can be created
without loss/watts.

The shorter the pulse the more loss per period of time during that time
of dissipation.

Even though if you spread out all that wattage over 1 second, you still
have a small average per second wattage. Impulse is the key because that
sets up such a strong gradient or potential difference in vacuum space
that free potential can actually come in and add to the work done
without requiring more from the source.