Water Sparkplug Practical Application

[Willem Coetzee]

Aaron's help need for waste spark coil hookup

Dear Aaron,

I need to know: per pair of waste spark coils, do we connect the negative firing plug center per diode string ALSO to LV coil positive?

I don't know who else more trustworthy to ask, than the Boss Himself... you the SOURCE!

Most Greatfully,
WILLEM COETZEE
willem@mams-sa.co.za
get.medtag@gmail.com

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[luishan]

Which ways is correct hook up method ? A or B ?

Hello !
This post for Mr. Aaron.
I read your book "The Ignition Secrets".
After I read your book, I try to install the plasma setup to my car.
But I have a question regarding the diode string hook up method.
I upload two kind hook up diagram that A and B.

Which ways is correct hook up method ? A or B ?

A has only one diode string for plasma ignition and
B is hook up the diode string each spark plugs.
Please help me right method.
Thank you.


Luis

[Willem Coetzee]

Diode String rather for EACH plug

Hello !
This post for Mr. Aaron.
I read your book "The Ignition Secrets".
After I read your book, I try to install the plasma setup to my car.
But I have a question regarding the diode string hook up method.
I upload two kind hook up diagram that A and B.

Which ways is correct hook up method ? A or B ?

A has only one diode string for plasma ignition and
B is hook up the diode string each spark plugs.
Please help me right method.
Thank you.


Luis

Hi Luis,

There could be many more reasons to rather use your proposed "B" setup, but to mention only a few:

1) For a 1 cylinder engine your "A" diode hookup will work because it only have to produce 1 plasma burst every 2 crankshaft rotations. But you have a 4 cylinder engine, with 3 more plasma bursts punches on your coil & diodes every 2 crankshaft rotations, which could damaged an "A" setup string quicker. So use your proposed "B" setup, and each diode string will only get a plasma energy punch for 1 cylinder at a time, and last much longer.

2) In your normal engine, each of your spark plug wires have a metallic contact in your distributor, and when the distributor rotor touch it, the high voltage (HV) goes from your coil to one spark plug - but there is a minute gap between rotor and contact, and a spark jumps over it as the HV flows from coil to spark plug. If you used your proposed "A" diode hookup, you have a HUGE energy jumping between your rotor and distributor contact, which will most probably damage your rotor and contacts very soon. But if you use your proposed "B" diode hookup, then your distributor rotor and contacts are spared.

I'm sure there might be more reasons why you should rather use setup "B", but for instance, when I was teaching myself on a little demo how to doe the hookups (like "A") that HUGE extra energy blew my capacitor. I had that plasma spark on my (1) manual trigger switch, (2) diode-coil connection, (3) and over the spark plug gap. As any current, it flows wherever you give it a conduit path, and jumps any little opening or bad connection, "eating" the material.

Am not saying that this energy will blow your MSD - no, not at all, otherwise everybody would have stopped using them - but all your equipment will work and last the longest if you use your "B" proposed hookup.

I hope this will help you?

(And don't forget to keep us up to date with your progress and results?)

Regards,
WILLEM

[luishan]

Thank you.

First of all thank you for your kind explanation as well as help.

(1) Is there any way reduce the quantity of the diodes ?

(2) Is there anybody apply real vehicle application of the Aaron Murakami plasma ignition set up ?

(3) I consider the Granatelli spark plug wires set. They claim absolute zero resistance spark plug wires.
How do you think about it ?


Thank you.

[Willem Coetzee]

Hi Luishan,

Glad I could help - I'm not as advanced as the guys who have been studying and successfully applying this concept for many years now, but I learned almost everything I told you through all their very helpful and insightful posts on the forum.

Answers that I know of (anybody more knowledgeable welcome to jump in here)
(1) Yes, you can reduce the number of diodes, as long as the replacement does NOT give less protection and performance that your diode string. The idea of the diode/s is to make the HV want to jump to a lower resistance (diode string) than the high resistance of the spark plug gap. The 6A100 diodes are specifically advised by Aaron and many others that used them because if you have enough of them, they will withstand the HV / RE punch and help deliver that discharge to the spark plug effectively and effenciently. You can rather use more diodes than you need, than not enough of them (in this case more is better than less). So, if you use another diode/s that can directly replace the total spec of your diode string to reduce the number of components, it should be fine. Lately the trend was to replace a diodes string with one 30 KV 2A Ham Radio Diode Block, which is about 6 inches long. So 4 of these blocks, 1 per spark plugs would work. Quite a number of people starting using them and found them working quit ok.
(2) Since even before 2008, on this and other forums, ordinary people also had various successes with such type of circuits. When Aaron started to help out from around 2008 onward, many people replicated the concept successfully around the world, and helped even more others to also get it right. Every time someone noticed a failure, it was discovered that the person failed to correctly apply the whole of the concept, and maybe have digressed or left out something, or chose wrong values for parts. The concept, and techniques if applied as described by Aaron, always have the desired results. You can also check out Aaron's http://energeticscienceforum.com under the thread "Plasma Jet Ignition" for the latest successful replications.
(3) As I've read on this forum, and the Plasma Jet Ignition thread, as long as the plug wire and spark plug wire resistance is 0 Ohms, and CAN handle at least 30kV HV output, it should work. Granateli has also been used and found fine, but you should also consider to take the RF ring that they provide to help with RF radiation, with it. So, now, remember that the coil HV output to distributor to plug wires can be commercial thick enough 0 Ohm wires, but your diodes ALSO needs the same 0 Ohm 30kV min spec. On the Plasma Jet Ignition thread on Aaron's other forum, Energetic Science Forum (mentioned above) the helpful members also show you exactly how to make the wire couplings and all that with nice clear photos and easy to understand descriptions. I found that very helpful.

The affordable sources for HV diode blocks and HV diode wire is also given by the participants on the Plasma Jet Ignition thread.

Once you got all that prepared, and checked that it is all done right, and then installed in your car and double checked again that its all done right, you should be able to start up and enjoy the benefits, as the folk on the Plasma Jet Ignition thead have done.

And at that point, you will have passed my own installation progress as I'm starting all over again form scratch with a car that has a completely different ignition setup than the one I started with... I had to sell the previous car, as it would be cheaper for me to just do it in my more modern car that I'm going to start on very soon, than to first have the old one fixed.

Regards,
WILLEM

[luishan]

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much your kind help.
I will research more in the blog.
Thanks again.

[Aaron]

Plasma Ignition

I posted some responses here: Plasma Ignition | Plasma Jet Ignition

[Willem Coetzee]

Thank you very much your kind help.
I will research more in the blog.
Thanks again.

Only a Pleasure!

Others helped to kindly steer me in the right direction as I strayed, and so I learned a lot - just paying it forward, and one day you also will maybe know something that is helpful to another, or even me.

Aaron provided the correct link:
http://www.energyscienceforum.com/internal-combustion-engines/689-plasma-ignition-|-plasma-jet-ignition.html

[plasmahunt3r]

Plasma Spark

I have been researching Plasma Arcs for my Plasma Rocket Engine forum. I think my latest Plasma Circuit would work well for "Water Spark Plug" experiments. I use "High Voltage" from the ignition coil as a switch to complete the circuit for the High Current Plasma Arc". This Plasma Arc could be a spark plug.


****** Warning ******
This project is experimental and the circuits contain LETHAL amounts of Electrical Current. Also, UV light is created which may permanently damage your eyes. Please do not attempt to replicate without proper safety precautions. I am not responsible for any injury or death that may result from your own experiments.
*******************


I did some testing, and I was able to remove the "Air Core Transformer", however, I left the secondary as a Choke Coil to choke off AC from the HV side. See attached circuit:

DC Plasma Arc Circuit Photo by plasmahunt3r | Photobucket

This works, because, the 50KV .001 uf Cap blocks DC, so it stops the high current side from backing up into the coil. The choke blocks the HV AC from backing up into the DC source.

I am new to chokes, so if anyone has some experience building chokes, I would like your advice. I am currently building a new choke using a 1/5 inch PVC pipe filled with "Iron Oxide" as a ferrite source.

In theory, this version of the circuit should work with the "Water Spark Plug" forums. It works well with aluminum electrodes but fails on standard spark plugs (Autolite and Bosch). Standard spark plugs have internal resistance that blocks the flow of electricity. The Autolite platinum plug has a 5k ohm internal resistance. The Bosch platinum plug has an internal resistance of 142M. Wow!!! When I hook up a 12v battery and my meter to a standard Autolite spark plug, it reads 1.9 volts then slowly goes up to 5 volts. For a spark plug to work as a Plasma Arc, the plug has to have "NO" internal resistor.

A proper type of spark plug for Plasma Arc "IS" required!!!!! Standard plugs won't do.

I know people are trying to get "High Current Plasma Sparks". This merged version (merging High Voltage with High Current) of the plasma spark should fit the bill, if a proper type of spark plug can be obtained. You can use any ignition coil driver you want. The DC source must be capable of providing the Amps you require. As I said, two aluminum electrodes work well.

Does anyone know of a platinum plug without a built in internal resistor?????

[plasmahunt3r]

Champion Copper Plus Spark Plug

I did a search on SPARK PLUG RESISTOR and found a couple youtube videos on removing the resistor from Champion Copper Plus spark plugs.

You heat the cap end of the spark plug to release the Loctite and unscrew the end, and the resistor & spring will drop out. Replace the resistor with a short piece of solid copper wire. Dropped to 0.2 Ohms.

This does not work on the Champion Platinum spark plugs. I can get the end off but the resistor is embedded into the body.

The attached picture is the spark plug hooked up to my 5 amp plasma circuit. This ain't no puny spark.

Plasma-Spark-Plug_zps95ccefe1.jpg Photo by plasmahunt3r | Photobucket