MIT Engineers Approaching 100% Efficiency with New Catalyst for Electrolysis

[KAiserSchlacht]

Could this method work with a Lord Kelvin's thunderstorm device?

[jibbguy]

Well, i don't know about that. But good timing on reviving this thread!

Last week, news from MIT and Dr. Daniel Nocera about ANOTHER hydroxy catalyst being found, even cheaper than the last

New water-splitting catalyst found

namaste to Dr. Nocera and his team. He is helping to change my mind about the hopelessness of mainstream academia

Now if we could only get the corporate-owned mainstream media to report on it....

[KAiserSchlacht]

Well, i don't know about that. But good timing on reviving this thread!
Last week, news from MIT and Dr. Daniel Nocera about ANOTHER hydroxy catalyst being found, even cheaper than the last

That`s how if found this topic! It wasn`t a coincidence!
Lord Kelvin's thunderstorm device seems a lot cheaper than solar panels and a lot more "green" since it only need components that are alredy in our homes. That`s why I was thinking of it. I was wander if there was a way to harness this power...

[Harvey]

Sorry Guys - I should have posted this earlier when I found out about it from Dr. Schwartz last month:

Researchers Discover Inexpensive Catalyst That Generates Hydrogen from Buffered Water or Sea Water | Clean Green Guy


EDIT:
Also one of the members at Noah's Ark Research Foundation also shared this regarding some material from the Sixties which does a similar thing:
". . . The material was called Chemalloy ( US Patent #2,796,345& US Patent #2,927,856) "

Cheers,

[sucahyo]

If this is about cobalt, there is someone currently replicating the test. Not by MIT link though:
Cobalt Electrocatalyst

Well guys, after about a week of testing the cobalt on KOH and borate electrolyte at high alkaline pH on my replication of the standard WFA cell, I can confirm:
1. adding 3 mg cobalt to 1 l electrolyte increase amp draw by about 15% (from 12 to about 13.6 A)
2. narrower range of operating current draw 10 - 14A from about 8 - 17A
3. 3 times faster warmup (1 hr vs 3 hr). I suspect that since boundary voltage is reduce there becomes more available voltage dissipated on the electrolyte
4. similar gas production at similar current, no luck in efficiency gain as of yet.

Cheers,

[rickoff]

Nickel Borate is the catalyst, huh?




The question now seems to be whether you would want to use a nickel borate alloy for the electrodes, or add a bit of nickel borate salts to the water and use stainless steel as in most electrolyzers.

@ KaiserSchlacht: Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm device could certainly have a lot of potential uses. After all, it is capable of producing tens of thousands of volts at its spark gap. While producing this high voltage, I doubt that there is any more than a minimal amount of amperage. In other words, you probably wouldn't be killed if you received a jolt from it. Most all standard Hydroxy units rely on amperage to separate water, rather than voltage. The Stan Meyers method, however, is said to use a very high voltage, so adapting Lord kelvin's device to that might be a great idea. Thing is, you need to create pulses of high voltage in rapid sequence, and I don't think that could happen with Kelvin's device, unless you perhaps built a series of several hundred of them timed to work together in concert. My guess is that would be a tough job. Still, it may be worth further investigation.

Best to all,

Rick

[jibbguy]

Lol, nice find m8

Here is a quote from that article [added comments in brackets]

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Already, as the research has continued, Nocera and his team have increased the rate of production from these catalysts a hundredfold from the level they initially reported two years ago.

[Lol if this is true they they are quietly admitting Free Energy... As the caloric value of burning the H should exceed the wattage needed to create it]

John Turner, a research fellow at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Colorado, calls this a nice result, but says that commercial electrolyzers already exist that have better performance than these new laboratory versions. “The question then is under what circumstances would this system provide some advantage over the existing commercial systems,” he says. For large-scale deployment of solar fuel-producing systems, he says, “the big commercial electrolyzers use concentrated alkali for their electrolyte, which is OK in an industrial setting were engineers know how to handle the stuff safely; but when we are talking about thousands of square miles of solar water-splitting arrays, and individual homeowners, then an alternative electrolyte like this benign borate solution may be more viable.”

[This guy reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke's Third Stage of Technology Acceptance: "We knew it all the time"... ]
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But in the second para, the guy is talking about electrolyte solution. Nocera is talking about the composition of the electrodes. I believe a "catalyst" by definition cannot be an electrolyte, as that is consumed by the process. Nocera does use electroyte in their system, tho; as evidenced by the title of their 2008 Paper.

[Harvey]

Personally I think the future will be from the exothermic reactions of burning orthohydrogen and using the high temperature in a thermolysis reactor to separate base fuel water into the needed orthohydrogen. Since the process is exothermic, the extra heat is used to run a steam generator. Separating orthohydrogen from parahydrogen can be done electromagnetically.

Such a process could be retrofitted into existing decommissioned nuclear power stations like three mile island.

If properly insulated total energy conservation could be obtained.


*shuffles papers on desk* . . .now where did I put those grant request forms . . .

[KAiserSchlacht]

High voltage device: Kelvin's Thunderstorm

Maybe I miss something in the translation (My first language is spanish), but, does this article says that the Lord Kelvin`s thunderstorm gives a good ammount of amperes?
Sorry to ask something this simple.

[rickoff]

High voltage device: Kelvin's Thunderstorm

Maybe I miss something in the translation (My first language is spanish), but, does this article says that the Lord Kelvin`s thunderstorm gives a good ammount of amperes?
Sorry to ask something this simple.

Yes and no. Yes, if you build the gigantic movie screen size that is suggested near the end of the article. But no, not if if you build a small setup using soup cans, which would only put out a few microamps.

Rick

[gene gene]

? for Rick

Hi Rick, seems i am always asking ?'s hopeful to tap into your vast knowledge. where is platinum most used, jewelry? can it be found elsewhere and recycled ? perhaps not profound thought but
best regards,
Gene

[rickoff]

Hi Rick, seems i am always asking ?'s hopeful to tap into your vast knowledge. where is platinum most used, jewelry? can it be found elsewhere and recycled ? perhaps not profound thought but
best regards,
Gene

Hi Gene,

The most extensive use for platinum has been in catalytic converters, where platinum is used as the catalyst. This accounts for more than half of the annual platinum production. With the price of platinum soaring over the past several years, thieves have been stealing converters from parked cars. Toyota trucks and SUV's have been hit hardest, because many have bolt-on converters that can be easily removed. Not sure if the auto junkyards are aware of the platinum and its value, but you might just call and ask what they would charge you for a replacement converter. They charge whatever their parts books prices are, which could be a few hundred dollars, since a new CC could cost $1,000. Still, it might be worth looking around at your local auto graveyard, and most vehicles since 1975 have them. Not all CC's use platinum, however. Some use palladium or rhodium, or a combination of platinum/rhodium or palladium/rhodium. So to be sure you would have to check with the manufacturer of the CC. As for buying platinum stock, forget it - the price of platinum exceeds the per ounce cost of gold.

Rick

[sucahyo]

Platinum also used for connecting fractured bones?

[jibbguy]

Now an Australian group is saying the same things as Dr. Daniel Nocera of MIT has.

Solar Hydrogen Fuel Dream Will Soon Be a Reality

Since this thread started, in April 2010 Dr. Nocera and MIT announced a "One Hundred Fold" improvement in energy efficiency. This would mean if taken at face value, that they are clearly generating H and O at Overunity potentials; by use of their all-new chemical catalyst materials that they use for electrodes, which greatly increases gas production ("Free" Energy...the "cost" being water, and a small amount of electrolyte solution)... especially when the caloric heat value from burning H and O together against a metal is compared to the electrical energy in watts to sustain the effect (this can even be "overunity" with traditional brute force electrolyzers, if done right.. because of Brown's Gas unique qualities when the flame touches metal).

New water-splitting catalyst found

Again, like Dr. Nocera's work, this Aussie group uses "Solar" to energize the electrodes. However, any electricity could be used... A clever way to sneak it by the NSA censors who were sleeping last April (lol i hope they all got fired for it)

WE HAVE PEER REVIEWED PROOF OF FREE ENERGY FOLKS. What is needed is to get the word out.

[Solace]

Just wondering...

Has anyone here duplicated the cobalt electodes that Nocera is using?

I'm looking for the info on how to do the whole process.