How do hydrogen boosters increase MPG?

[Gre]

Hi --
I'm curious if anyone knows exactly how or why hydrogen boosters work in cars (to increase power and mpg). I've read many stories and seen boosters work in person to increase MPG to 50+ percent, so whether they work or not isn't a question.

If you calculate the joules added to the ICE from the hydrogen/oxygen you are creating (not much) you'll see right away that something else is at play. Could it be steam energy? Or is a little hydrogen gas somehow increasing the burn efficiency of gasoline?

[jibbguy]

Hiya and welcome

The reason why as little as 3% hydroxy by volume can help significantly with the burn is because that H has a very fast propagation rate, it burns much faster than the complex molecules of gasoline. So when mixed with petrol, the hydroxy decreases the total burn time for the fuel mix, which helps eliminate the inherent waste and inefficiency of ICE's (...they are normally only 20 to 35% efficient). So more of the gasoline is burned during the piston's power cycle, less wasted out the exhaust.

When higher concentrations of HHO are used, then the hydroxy also adds considerable energy. But in the low concentrations common with small brute-force boosters, it's actually the increase in gasoline burn efficiency that accounts for the greatest part of the rise in mileage.

This is why simply using FireStorm spark plugs can give a significant mileage boost, as does adding acetone in the tank, or vaporizing the fuel before burning. Anything that can increase the burn rate will increase mileage because it is helping eliminate that horrible waste.

[Gre]

Thanks for the information. Do you have any references to HHO assisting the combustion process?

So if the average vehicle is only 28 percent efficient, could you say the maximum MPG/power gain on a vehicle with HHO boost is 28 percent / 100 percent. ... i guess would be around 350 percent increase. It is probably more complicated than that.


Another crazy idea I had regarding this energy boost, was Stan Meyer's "thermal explosive energy" process. Meyer claimed if electrons aren't available to recombine HHO into H2O, during combustion, there is some strange nuclear event that brings in thermal energy from somewhere.

[Gre]

It'd be interesting to find a site, or thread, with testimonials from people with their vehicle, cell, and MPG increase.

[rangerbentman]

Problem

If you find the website with all sorts of good testimonials on it , will you believe them? Unless you can actually find someone with a working system and you can trust them, then you can start believing. I have researched this reasonably well and a friend of mine is playing with his Toyota in this regard but has not come out with any improvements yet. I am still waiting.

[ANTIQUER]

Hey Jibb;

Heard anything about Firestorm plugs since Krupa got back from Brazil? My computer is messed up last 2 weeks so I have been limited in time on line.
I see you branched out to Water-for -Fuel, too. Not enough action here on the political front or are you just a fiend for punishment? Hee-hee-hee.

Al

[ANTIQUER]

It'd be interesting to find a site, or thread, with testimonials from people with their vehicle, cell, and MPG increase.

Hi Gre;

Check out Tenn. Tech. at McKenzie. One of the instructors put a system in the school pickup; went from 20 mpg to 32 mpg average. That's why they started teaching a course in HOD. Other reports there too.

Al.

[Gre]

rangerbentman, Would I believe the results posted? Yes, as long as they are somewhat reasonable, and the cell details are included. From first hand experience I know HHO boosting can increase the MPG on a 78 mercedes from 50-100. Why would I be suspicious of someone with similar results on a 83 Chevy? I'm not sure if there's a trick to getting the best results, but some people are really getting them, and if there was site with different cell construction methods, materials, etc, It'd be easier to figure it out the ideal configuration per vehicle.

[jibbguy]

Roy McAllister roxx & so does Robert Krupa

@Gre: Check out the work of Roy McAllister, one of the most reputable people in the industry, and a true expert on running H in an ICE. I wish i had the links atm, but must be on my old PC. Google or You-Tube search for him, there is a very valuable multi-part vid series he did that contains many of the answers you seek. Also, have you joined the Yahoo Hydroxy Group yet?

@Antiquer: Lol, i have plenty of other forums to infuriate with political stuff
Regarding Robert Krupa, i am hoping to get an interview with him still but he has been very busy traveling and getting the FireStorm into production world-wide; so it may be a while before he gets me the answers to the q's yet. My next article in the "Free Energy and the Open Source Energy Movement" series has been sitting around awhile waiting for it so i may have to push that interview off into another installment (too bad since this one is all about plasma and it would fit perfectly). But i'm not complaining; whatever he can do to get those plugs into our hands ASAP... Is what really matters

There's no question what Krupa is doing is very important. I just hope they "let" him do it.... So far the obstacles he has run into are not really political in nature, but just business as usual (...planned obsolescence). If those plugs would wear normally, we would be using them now (...unless a another excuse was then found, lol). But since the inherent design stops both pitting and fouling, they last indefinitely. Thats why at least one plug company flatly refused to make them... Although their extensive tests and the independent tests both verified every claim Mr. Krupa made.

I guess the military musta felt kinda stupid trying to secretize a patent for spark plugs, lol! This imo, is the only reason he is "getting away" with it so far. Yet his task hasn't been easy, either.

I have reports from independent sources that he sent me that state there are very unique physics aspects of the device; and that it could turn out to be a means of empirically proving certain Quantum theories. If he allows it i will publish them here later (unless i can convince him to join us himself ). From my conversations with him i can tell you that he is a great guy, a "straight shooter", and prime example of American inventive genius. I, as i know many others here do, wish him all possible success. May God go with him and protect him.

[Gre]

Another interesting possibility is carbon burning..
Carbon burning process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some people claim this is occurring
Scorpion sportscar would burn gasoline and hydrogen | Green Tech - CNET News.com