Nitrogen Hydroxide ?

[rosco1]

Swinging the dizzy...

300 bucks because it was just what they had on hand big enough to run that generator. I also have diesel 4 cylinder that was used to pump water I was going to put on an axle to make a portable power plant.

I have the HHO cell in a box somewhere I will have to locate it to get a pic of it.

The only thing about using a magneto engine it is a pain to move the timing you have to re key the flywheel.

I have just to twist on the distributor there on that Ford and put it where I want it

regards,

Murlin

Murlin,

Note that when you apply plasma and/or HHO, you will get a vacuum increase right across the range of your engine, thus the vacuum advance module on the dizzy will get swung at the wrong moment(early). This mismatch will be apparent right across the range and can/will be a distraction/restriction in itself.

Don't send the dizzy off for a stab in the dark regraph, which aside from being costly, also has the risk of still not delivering exactly what you're looking for. The dizzy regraphing shops can really only hazard an educated guess at the right settings without their having actual access to the true figures relative to that particular engine, including the modifications you've done. Going to all the trouble of having it dyno tested is really just another costly and annoying distraction.

A cheap and effective alternative is to place a small plastic fish tank air bleed valve into the vacuum advance line, down near the module, thus allowing you to restrict the excess vacuum to the module by whatever the difference may be.

Doing it this way will get you back into the vacuum range which the standard dizzy vacuum advance module is already pre-set to.

It's certainly not the be all to end all, but it does deliver a very low cost solution, at least until you get the whole caper sorted out and you're happy with it, at which time you may then choose to go through the motions of regraphing the dizzy.

Personally, I think I'll just be leaving my small plastic fish tank valve right where it is, it seems to be doing a good enough job for me.

I can take a picture of how I did mine and post it up for you if you like.

[Mad Scientist]

Mad Scientist, there is a club known as the Tesla turbine builders club. They have built lots of different designs and configurations with different tolerances.
Stealth

Thank you for the information but it is actually called the Phoenix Turbine Builders Club and I'm quite aware of it. As it turns out I am the moderator of their Forum and have written a few of the articles.

However not to much is happening over there plus I got sidetracked restoring an old car thus my experimenting with my turbines has been on hold.

Phoenix Turbine Builders Club

[Aaron]

flower power

This link is not about nitrogen hydroxide:
Technology: British buses to run on flower power - 03 October 1992 - New Scientist

It only has a reference to using nitrogen hydroxide catalyst for their biofuel
method.

[Aaron]

Nitrogen Hydroxide references

I think the nitro cell or oz cell claim it is nitrogen hydroxide is a
misunderstanding and I think it was making nh3 (ammonia). There also
is some info missing about air ionization, etc... I don't see how the info
in the d docs showing this "nitrogen hydroxide" system can run without
some other things like ionization and a proper ignition system. I could
be wrong but so far it looks like the d doc and other explanations on
the nitrogen hydroxide has met with 100% failure. So with proper air
ionization and a proper ignition system, there may be hope for it.

Nitrogen hydroxide for rockets?
AROUND THE NATION; Fueling of Spacecraft Goes Into Second Phase - New York Times

http://zpe.pcse.us/HHO/WaterCarPlans...FUELED-CAR.pdf
Carl Cella doc

Index of /HHO
There are a lot of public docs here, mostly whatever is all over the net
anyway.

Alternative Science and Technology Research Organisation

Car Water Nitrogen. Sprayed Into The Exhaust System And Converts Nitrogen Oxides.

Ang atong pajag!

Nitrogen Hydroxide discovered in 1865
Chemical history: reviews of the ... - Google Books
"hydroxylamine"

[Aaron]

Hydroxylamine | Nitrogen Hydroxide

Nitrogen Hydroxide discovered in 1865
Chemical history: reviews of the ... - Google Books
"hydroxylamine"

Maybe the water gas is this and not ammonia or maybe both.
BOTH are possibilities.


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Hydroxylamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hydroxylamine is a reactive chemical with formula NH2OH. It can be considered a hybrid of ammonia and water due to parallels it shares with each. At room temperature pure NH2OH is ordinarily a white, unstable crystalline, hygroscopic compound;[3] however it is almost always encountered as an aqueous solution.


Hydroxylamine tends to be explosive, and the nature of the hazard is not entirely understood. At least two factories dealing in hydroxylamine have been destroyed since 1999 with loss of life.[4] It is known, however, that ferrous and ferric iron salts accelerate the decomposition of 50% NH2OH solutions. Hydroxylamine and its derivatives are more safely handled in the form of salts.
NH2OH is an intermediate in biological nitrification. The oxidation of NH3 is mediated by hydroxylamine oxidoreductase (HAO).

Hydroxylamine explodes with heat:
4 NH2OH + O2 → 2 N2 + 6 H2O


Hydroxylamine

[Dr Poppy]

Google "Dad Garrett". I am pretty sure that is how he ran a car on water.

Henry "Dad" Garrett and his son Charles H. Garrett filed for a patent for a water carburetor (electrolytic carburetor as they called it) on July 2, 1935. The U. S. patent 2,006,676 outlines an invention in which water may be split into hydrogen and oxygen atoms and mixed with the air in an internal combustion engine.

Garrett Water Carburetor - 01/12/98

Henry "Dad" Garrett: The Father of WRR

Water Carburetor - Henry Dad Garrett

[tutanka]

atomic nitrogen

In all case you need to produce atomic nitrogen and inside nitro cell isn't present enough energy for split molecular nitrogen. Electromagnet present on nitro cell isn't sufficient for that usage, if that cell work there are other ghost parts inside. Is my opinion that nitro cell is ONLY an DBD reactor modified. Instead to use low voltage that power an electromagnet around SS tube need to use an positive high voltage field. For increased gas production and obtain great mixture I suggest to use nitrogen membrane for separate oxygen from nitrogen. Using only nitrogen you obtain an stechiometric mixture of NH3 (40%) and N2O (60%), you don't need plasma ignition because that mixture burn with only 0,07 mJ of activation energy.. standard ignition released 50mJ of energy from spark plug. As internal tube I suggest to use aluminium, around that I suggest holes of 1.2mm.

[bogof]

'During the electrochemical process the urea gets adsorbed on to the nickel electrode surface, which passes the electrons needed to break up the molecule,' Botte told Chemistry World. Pure hydrogen is evolved at the cathode, while nitrogen plus a trace of oxygen and hydrogen were collected at the anode. While carbon dioxide is generated during the reaction, none is found in the collected gasses as it reacts with the potassium hydroxide in the solution to form potassium carbonate.

The group initially tested their process with 'synthetic' urine made of dissolved urea, but also showed that the process works just as well with real human urine. 'It took us some time to get clearance to work with human urine - which held up publication of the research,' says Botte.

According to Botte, currently available processes that can remove urine from water are expensive and inefficient. Urea naturally hydrolyses into ammonia before generating gas phase ammonia emissions. These emissions lead to the formation of ammonium sulphate and nitrate particulates in the air, which cause a variety of health problems including chronic bronchitis, asthma attacks and premature death.

The group are currently conducting long term stability studies on their electrolysis systems, as well as conducting computational experiments to better understand the mechanisms at work.

Botte believes the technology could be easily scaled-up to generate hydrogen while cleaning up the effluent from sewage plants. 'We do not need to reinvent the wheel as there are already electrolysers being used in different applications.' She believes the only the thing that would hamper the process would be the presence of a lot of salt.

Bruce Logan, an expert in energy generation from wastewater and director of Pennsylvania State University's H2E Center and Engineering Environmental Institute, applauded Botte's efforts in developing a more energy efficient way of producing hydrogen than splitting water. However, he did caution that urea gets converted very quickly into ammonia by bacteria, which could limit the usefulness of the technique.

However, Logan does feel that it would be a good idea to start saving up our urine - although not for the hydrogen. 'You have to remember about the P [phosphorus] in pee - globally we need to start thinking about conserving phosphorus for fertiliser, because, just like oil, one day the deposits are all going to run out and we need to start building phosphorus recycling into our infrastructure,' he says.


Using ammonia for fuell has been known about since 1943 which would coincide with the story of the ww2 tank,Tesla stated one day we will atach our machines to the wheel works of nature.Urine certainly fits in with this plan.Apparently there is an extra molecule of hydrogen in urene and you only need 0.3 +-v to electrolize as opposed to 2+-v for water making the d18 in my estimate six times more powerful