Stanley Meyer Explained

[Guest]

Hi H2O, if you check Tad he uses the same alias as you, it just sounds strange since he used that alias since 1996 or so...

I am not pointing you out as a "sabotage/MIB man" since you started this thread and your initial ion info was good and in a positive spirit. I said some things here and you talked about other things. Fine by me, now I hope you can build a VIC instead of just talking.

Do you build anything or can you show us some photos of your project?
31 months is a long time, surely you must have tried some things?

For all that I know the bad people could change tactics and instead of being negative in all threads just planting crazy, confusing ideas in a positive spirit to make people go the wrong way.

IF people start winding the VIC as instructed in the WFC doc the bad people are smoked.

Please do the VIC and show us your results. Nothing else. Thank you.

Why is your rank secret? I was a sergeant once upon a time.. Not really a big secret...

[h20power]

This was my first attempts at building the VIC transformer as built in the SMTB. I didn't make any pic's of the other VIC transformers as I learned more about the technology.

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Why is my rank secert? That is personal information about me, and I really don't do that on the web.
Enjoy


h2opower.

[rdmwc]

wow! i wish i had the tools here to build something like that!

[Guest]

H2O, well done, now we are talking!

What happened in your tests? LCR resonance freq? Ferrite core(type) diameter?

Pulser type? Just tell us what happened and I might be able to give you new input.

[boguslaw]

h2opower

Pancake coils inside ? Did you found which Meyer equations are required to compute resonant frequency of that transformer ?

[h20power]

The VIC transformer is old news to me, like I have been saying all bobbin cavities have to match the primaries inductance so all coil work as one. That is done by verying the wire sizes. In the coil shown I matched to the primaries inductance by the sum of all the bobbin cavities L1 + L2 as so on. When I put it on the scope I got three different resonances at three different frequencies for all three(primary, secondary, and the choke) where working independently. The second one I corrected that mistake, but didn't make the chokes dual layered, as a result it didn't put out all that high of a voltage about 320 volts from 5 volts if I remember correctly. The third time I got it right and all was well from that point on. I tried to tell people this but no one wanted to listen to me. Everyone would say, "You can't build a transformer like that, that's silly." Now that people have had a look at Stanley Meyer's VIC bobbins they can see I was way ahead of the game.

The wfc only puts out hho, so that's where the Gas Processor comes in to make the needed energy that would be missing if trying to run on hho alone. In the end Meyer found a way to turn water into micro-mini capacitors and got them to short out in mid air from over voltage and evaportation changing the surface area of the water droplets. As for the equations I use most of them that I found here: DC Tesla Coil design DC Tesla Coil design for at that point I had pulled my research away from Meyer patents and look for Teasla for the answers. The pulsing unit is the same as Dr. Dingels.

The core is #61 ferite 1/2 inch diameter, the blocking diode is ultra fast 30us, 30k volts with a 1.5 amp rating. The diodes had to be pruchased outside of the US for they cost $350 each here in the states, same for the bifilar wire, MSW was trying to charge me $17/ft. If you ask me it seems as if someone has made it hard too get the needed parts here in the US intentionally.

Well, I need sleep now,
take care everyone,

h2opower.

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[Guest]

H2O, sounds like you tried something here but to me matching primary inductance with L1, L2 and L3 does not make a difference for HHO production. The matching takes place on secondary side.

Tell me, what was the LCR resonance on secondary side and what was L1, L2 and L3(transformer secondary inductance) at that frequency? What is your primary pulsing frequency when you have production?

How long can you produce HHO without changing the frequency?

Anyone who says I can "only" produce HHO with this, well I believe it when I see it.

In case you do tell the truth you can show us a video with at least 2 minutes stable production.

I admit the HHO production as an isolated app has limited commercial interest but it shows the engineering skill and has tremendous potential when you integrate.

[h20power]

Time to live again

H2O, sounds like you tried something here but to me matching primary inductance with L1, L2 and L3 does not make a difference for HHO production. The matching takes place on secondary side.

Tell me, what was the LCR resonance on secondary side and what was L1, L2 and L3(transformer secondary inductance) at that frequency? What is your primary pulsing frequency when you have production?

How long can you produce HHO without changing the frequency?

Anyone who says I can "only" produce HHO with this, well I believe it when I see it.

In case you do tell the truth you can show us a video with at least 2 minutes stable production.

I admit the HHO production as an isolated app has limited commercial interest but it shows the engineering skill and has tremendous potential when you integrate.

As I said before the L1 + L2 method didn't work, it gave me three different resonance frequencies. Then I made another correcting that problem by matching the individual bobbin cavities inductances to that of the primary coil, but I didn't make two sets of chokes and the voltage output was too low. Then I made yet another and did things the way Stanley Meyer did it, and it worked out fine. I made the Transformer to hit resonance at 42.8K Hz but it actually hit it at around 42.7k Hz or something close. It was very hard to keep at reasonance for the tempreture swings would change everything. Then I had to put with getting the water from the same source all the time, so I scraped the whole idea of using the WFC.

The first time I hook it up too the cell it didn't work all that well, so I went back too the books for a long time. Once I added in the EEC it worked okay, but the gas was just hho, and it lacked the energy to do much with. So back to the books once again and I found out just what the Gas Processors true function was. Then I went on to figure out the water fuel injectors and what made them tick, just to see why Stanley Meyer had gotten rid of the WFC. I posted the key to making water for fuel a reality so that everyone could try it out on their own. Sure I left a lot out, but I already explained that position of why I did so. Just build the gas processor for with it you can make a smack booster run a car if you get up to the 7L/min level or more.

Copying a system only leads to failure, understanding a system leads to making that system suit what ever needs you want to use it for. I thought everyone would have figured that out by now. Strive for understanding not copying, for even Stanley Meyer says that anyone with skills in the prior arts can make the system work any way they like. He also says that the Gas Processor can be used on any type of fuel.

I know everyone wants to see a show, wants to be entertained, and/or a show of proof like Ravi. I am not that type of person. I would have the people think, try things, failing many times until they gained a true understanding of the technology, for that is how we learn best after all is it not? After posting the science and the math to back that up, I thought that would be the start of the energy revolution. I gave just enough information so that there would be many different types of working systems out there, not just my version or Stanley Meyer's version. Making this water for fuel technology even that much harder to keep down. For it would be coming from all directions working differently but working none the less. After I write my summary I am not sure if I will write anymore on this site again. I have a life to live enjoying my family and friends.

For the longest time something in me would not let me rest until I did what I did on this site. Now, I feel like moving on with my life and enjoying my family more, for I truly feel I have done my part. I know this will make some upset, but for those that understand what has been done here, freedom awaits them and they know it.
Take care everyone for I wont be writting again until I finish up my summary.




h2opower.

[Guest]

You get trouble and instability because you did not understand the water resonance condition for the secondary side system. Think again. Not so easy until you see the solution.

[Joit]

Just build the VIC, WFC and then the gas processor and show some results.

Please do the VIC and show us your results. Nothing else. Thank you.

Why dont YOU build the VIC and show us the Result.

Gauss, all you do is to blow your Theories in here,
and try to order Peoples to do Things, what you never do, but you allways try to be the Smartguy.

Peoples what build it give Results, but all what we got from you is your endless Pointing at your magical VIC. Noone got the Magical Key with it, like you pray all Time.

Usual that is the Way to show a Proof, not just your big Mouth.

Sorry, but that dont work.

[h20power]

Let the Energy Revolution begin.

Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.

The Gas Processor

The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons or more off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.

Non-sequential ionization

When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.

Now let us look at what is said in the patent:

Thermal Explosive Energy

Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

The water fuel injectors

The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.

Steam Resonator

The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.

[h20power]

con't of the post above

The VIC Transformers

There are two types of VIC transformers
Taken from the SMTB:

Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: (1) VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, (2) VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

Now it is clear that if the voltage zones are between 0.06-0.01 inches you need to use VIC number 2, if your voltage zones are higher than this VIC number 1 will work for you.

Now the VIC transformer creates its high voltages by way of reactive capacitance, XC1 • XC2 • XC3,…, • XC42. These type of transformer do not make their high voltages like a typical step-up transformer does. All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength.

The blocking diode stops the collapsing magnetic field from sending the voltage back to the secondary coil. It also doubles the voltage in the capacitor to that of the supply voltage from the secondary. The chokes limit current magnetically and also act as voltage multipliers the same way the secondary coil do. They also double the frequencies to the capacitors so what every frequency you are planning for make sure to cut that in half with designing your transformers. The current is out of phase by about 90 degrees lag time behind the voltage and that further limits the current flow so there is no arcing between voltage zones. As a result there is almost no signal degradation to the voltage zones.

Now the GP and EEC are the most important parts of Stanley Meyer’s patent for they can stand alone and improve any fuels energy output. And if you understand all of this you can make the system any way you like for it does not have to be made the way Stanley Meyer made it. Just follow the rules of what is needed to be done to make the reaction work. In the most basic sense what was done here was to make a controlled change to the environment inside of the intake system to one that is suitable for water combustion.


h2opower.

[natone_m]

Injector purpose

Once again so I understand, the injectors purpose is to give the water mist a negative charge so that the positive oxygen can react with it? It's not necessarily producing HHO? The reaction happens upon ignition, correct? How does the injector give the mist a negative charge? The outer elctrode is mounted to the engine. Does the inner electrode have a hv positive charge? I guess the real question I should be asking is, is the injector necessary to make the reaction occur? It's been stated before with your calculations that the reaction can happen if there are enough electrons stripped from the oxygen.

Next question would be on delivery. My test that I'm planning doing will be on a 5 - 10 HP Briggs. Does the mixture need to be injected with 100 - 120 psi like SM stated? Can the mixture be metered in using the engines vacuum? If not what kind of displacement pumps and fast acting valves would be best? I was planning on taking the carb. and intake manifold off and fabricating a new intake with ports for the mixture. Is this a good approach?

[sebosfato]

OK

You are right h2o but you still missing one thing the current created by the ionization is huge so you can use it to split the water, you got it? Where you can harvest he energy in a resonant circuit? Do you know? If is a small R between the inductor and the capacitor if you have a big impedance in parallel with the capacitor. I'm working on this since 3 years ago but now we need investments, some money to construct the prototypes as it's not only about stainless steel and inductors there also especial catalysts to help split and keep the molecule apart. Any way the device for doing such thing is very big and so we got to get a better efficiency from the motor or we are just spent lots of energy on the conversion . so all we need to do is to use a compressor and a heat exchanger and use direct injection like diesel engines this way you recycle the heat lost by the engine arriving maybe 75% efficiency. this way we may need less gas for moving the motor. i need about 100.000 dollars to make some prototypes to com prove the theories. If you can help in any way offer profits sharing and obviously. Meyer estimated the 1500 dollars price because the cost of the parts when made in mass production cost 50 times less. So now if you want this to come out of papers you must have the money and the people who knows witch materials are right for the application. hope it helps