Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

So we need to create air pressure through the injector. Got it.
If you replace the spark plug with this injector how will you ignite? Wouldn't it be easier to add a port to inject the mixture into the cylinder and still retain the ignition system? Does the mixture have to be ignited immediately after the final voltage zone? can it travel through some sort of tube(after the final voltage zone) then be ignited?
Do you use a VIC in your circuit?
Thanks again for all your help!






I WON'T STOP TILL I'M FREE!!!!!!!!!

I am saying Stanley Meyer used air pressure but that is not the only way it can be done. Just follow the rules and all should be well. As for the ignition system I think Stanley Meyer used the existing system he just never showed how he hooked it all up. For if you look at pics of the dune buggy you can see that the distributer cap is still in use. The rest I have to leave to you to test out for I have not tested that out as of yet. Oh and yes I use a VIC the all copper one since I am not using a WFC at all and the gap in my Gas Processor is close to 2 cm's. The fuel is treated like any other fuel compressed then ignited none of the rules for using fuels change. And remember the amount of non combustable gases you put into the system varies the burn rate, so you can make it match that of gasoline.

Best wishes,

h2opower.

[h20power]

H2O

This is the last stage of the gas gun I still have to figure exactly what Stan wants in that last stage specially the last chamber in his drawing it show that there are a poitive and negitive voltage zones and there are a coil on the outside?
Things that are still lacking in the drawing is the nozzels of the water mist and the non combustable gases though they are minors.

I have drawn some sort of coil on the last stage though I am not sure how big or how thick the wiring and I presume there should be some sort of spark plug around there some where.

I have started to draft a Engeneering specific drawing of the gasgun showing where O ring should go in and slots to cut and where to fill with resin ect.

I am basically there I just have to get catalogs for specific sizes of parts to do my selection of materials and sizes.

Any coment good or bad will be welcomed.

Question when I induce compressed air into the system and every thing goes wel what can I expect to see from the proceced gas,will it burn if ignited mabe I should add water spray at the end wil it disotiate the water?

But I will show and tell when I have a device built for now hope you lkie the concept drawings.

Digits

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In my system the engines vacuum draws in the air through the Gas Processor, after the GP is the EEC, then the recirculated exhuast gases, and then I make the micro-capacitors with the water everything being sucked into the combustion chamber by the engines own vacuum. As you can see I bent the rules a lot for I made the system suit the car and not bypass the car existing system as Stanley Meyer did. I seperated all the needed componets. That's why I tell everyone to design their own for if you follow the rules it still will work and we will get many prototypes that all work. On the wire sizes you can vary the sizes of the wire to suit your needs. I love the design and the program your using, looks very sharp and impressive.


And no, it wont disotiate the water, remember the rule is to atomized the water and also put an image charge on it turning the droplets into micro-capacitors since water is polar. Like any type of fuel the better we atomize it the better it will mix with the air to be exploded. For just like gasoline if the injector malfuctions and shoots a stream of gasoline into the combustion chamber you pritty much lose that pistons power contribution to the engine, the same rules apply to water for use as a fuel.

[Guest]

About the multispool VIC in my opinion the thing that matters is that you have few turns and a low L value of each spool to increase the resonance frequency and still have a huge series resistance . Otherwise it is impossible to hit resonance at a high enough frequency and not get alot of Amps into the cell. His old one is simpler and there is no reason the multispool VIC should not work with the EEC. Remember Stan had only limited time to document what he was doing.

[h20power]

About the multispool VIC in my opinion the thing that matters is that you have few turns and a low L value of each spool to increase the resonance frequency and still have a huge series resistance . Otherwise it is impossible to hit resonance at a high enough frequency and not get alot of Amps into the cell. His old one is simpler and there is no reason the multispool VIC should not work with the EEC. Remember Stan had only limited time to document what he was doing.

The EEC has no coils at all hooked up to it, it is hooked to the positive source of electricity, then to a PNP FET, then to a diode, to and amp consuming device, and then to the screen mesh grid. Please let me answer the questions for your confusing everyone, okay? Thanks


h2opower.

[Guest]

No the EEC has no coils it is an amp consuming device used in conjunction with the VIC, you are correct about the EEC not having coils...

I tried to talk about the VIC(not the EEC) which can have 3 coils on the secondary side or many more. In the VIC drawing with the EEC there are 3 coils on the VIC 2ndary side, in later chapters there can be up to 42 spools(3*14 spools). The minimum for the VIC is 3 coils and you can separate those three into many smaller spools to adjust the resonance frequency to optimum.

I believe anyone notices in the drawing that there is no difference between the VIC with EEC and without EEC. The only question is which type of VIC you want to use. That is all from me now...

[pmazz850]

H2O,
Quote: In the end Stanley Meyer found it was best to match up the inductances of each bobbin cavities so each of the bobbin caivity coils in the VIC transformer hit resonance all at the same time.
When you say each cavity are we talking 4? Primary,secondary,choke,choke?

[h20power]

H2O,
Quote: In the end Stanley Meyer found it was best to match up the inductances of each bobbin cavities so each of the bobbin caivity coils in the VIC transformer hit resonance all at the same time.
When you say each cavity are we talking 4? Primary,secondary,choke,choke?

Yes, that is correct, the best way is to wrap one of each bobbin cavity and the primary to get the count needed for the whole VIC transformer of each of the coils; primary, secondary, choke(1), choke(2). You would need to take the readings of all of them with an induction meter of some kind. I have an LCR meter that I put to good use and it is good to +/- 0.0009 or something like that. Due to the mean radius changing the number count changes to get the same inductance, plus the differnet wire sizes also have an effect on inductance the smaller the wire size the more winds you will need to get the same inductance of a larger wire size aswell as the proximity of the coils to the core. Now the VIC transformers have to be matched up to what it is you are hooking them up to first, that is to say you must know the capacitance of the item it is going to be hooked up to before you can build the VIC transformer that is going to be matched up to it. That way you can shoot for any frequency you so desire, just building it in the blind is just plain stupid . The VIC transformer is easy to understand however not so easy to build. So take your time with it and if you have any more questions feel free to ask.

From Stanley Meyer
Increased coil length equilly increases applied voltage level/amp restriction since inductance/capacitance increases proportionally.

Stanley Meyer is talking about the chokes.

Best Wishes,

h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Scratch that. Its three right? Primary, secondary, and chokes? The chokes are wound bifilar. Are your chokes hooked up paralell or do they oppose each other? If i remember, some of Stans diagrams show them hooked up opposing each other.

[h20power]

Scratch that. Its three right? Primary, secondary, and chokes? The chokes are wound bifilar. Are your chokes hooked up paralell or do they oppose each other? If i remember, some of Stans diagrams show them hooked up opposing each other.

The way I do the chokes is to wrap the first layer completely then run the wire back through the cut grove of the bobbin cavity and wrap the second choke right on top of the first one. There is no breaks in the wire. The wire I use is already parallel bonded as to cut out any mistakes of trying to keep the wire joined together by hand when you can barly see the wire. If you take a real hard look at the VIC tansformer as a whole you will notice that there is only a primary and a secondary, the secondary has been broken up into small bobbin cavities. The top secondary is bifilar wond thus giving us the maxium capacitive reactance possible.
This is just an example of what is going on with bifilar windings:

Now the other part of the secondary windings now called "dual layered chokes" are also parallel bonded wire so the length of the wire is the same throughout but it is not hooked up back into itself as the first part of the three part secondary winding is it is placed on to two voltage potienal zones in the Gas Processor and in the WFC to a dielectric liquid with a low break down voltage between two voltage zones. Remember to get the magnetic fields to add up they have to be going in the same direction.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Thank you very much. I appreciate your help.

[h20power]

Your wellcome pmazz850, just doing what I can to aid humanity to becoming energy independent.

Your
h2opower

[pmazz850]

So would one GP be able to supply all injectors?
And would I need two Vic's? One for the ionizing step and one for the injector zone? Or can one supply power for both?
These pictures of "The gas resonant cavity" are the actual Gas processor right?

[CPU3rother]

It appears that your believes have a foundation of stone and not sand. However, weather you are correct or not in your deciphering, It will not be you who receives the glory. Because if it is as you say and your motive is so pure you would not make claim to gift something that doesn't belong to you in the first place. Despite all this, I'll trust that your intent is honorable and thank you for your service. I wish more service members understood the meaning and importance of the oath they made. It is scary to think that such a powerfully group of people don't know what master they swore to serve. A few things that lend credibility to your claim.

1) Volume dose not determine energy yield.
This has been shown by many and I have measured it first hand over the years.

2) Water can be made to "burn" with a little help.
This has been shown by many. I'm sure of this after reproducing the "Water Sparkplug" Your theory could be similar to what is seen in that thread. As it has been suggested that Ionized air is playing a role in that effect.

3) You are saying exactly what Stan said in his patents on other docs.


A few questions if you have the time.

Is it the Ionized Oxygen (GP), the VIC that could be used to Ionize Oxygen (VIC running GP) or the gas moving through a specific shape of the surface area of the injector or alternate fuel distribution system (How can voltage preform work? How can a magnet preform work? How can an atom preform work?) that is the "Magic" behind your theory?

Oxygen, and water for that mater reflect blue light so I would surmise that a red LED would be a good place to start. What do you think? White is almost certainly what Stan used. Wouldn't using white be a safe way to go? It would rule out the LEDs as the source for the entire system failing.


Gauss
Regardless of who is correct. You are the one who looks like the MIB by going into someones thread and tirelessly trying to kill the idea. Put that effort into creating results to prove your theory.

[Guest]

@Cpu, I am not saying anyone is incorrect, I was explaining the differences between VICs and the strategy of how to adjusting the resonance freqs.

Take it easy I am no MIB as you will see.. I really hope H2O or whoever can build the water ion engine and finally end this technology misery. I believe progress is being made here. The level has increased.

[h20power]

Okay I have questions from two people let me copy and paste the questions as I try to answer them as best I can.

Is it the Ionized Oxygen (GP), the VIC that could be used to Ionize Oxygen (VIC running GP) or the gas moving through a specific shape of the surface area of the injector or alternate fuel distribution system (How can voltage preform work? How can a magnet preform work? How can an atom preform work?) that is the "Magic" behind your theory?

There is not magic, the definition of how voltage preforms work, I learned from MIT. Ask yourself why does voltage break downs mostly occur on points or sharp edges when the break down voltage is reached of a medium? Voltage is fourced to preform work when the area of the charged surface is decreasing. Cone shapes, corners, edges, sharp points all have one thing in common, the area is decreasing the closer you get to the edge. Water can share this area decreasing effect through evaporation. Being that water is a dielectric liquid it has the ability to pick up an image charge when past between a capacitor. The relaxation time of water determins how long it will hold on to that charge and the rate at which the charge leaks off with the passage of time. If you set the water up to evaporate faster than the image charge placed on it can leak off voltage has to, by definition, preform work on the water molecule. It first splits the water molecules into smaller droplets when a sort of critical mass is reached. This is where the two theories come into play:

One is the water molecules self destruct as the water molecules decrease in size due to the evaporation time is less than the relaxation time of waters ability to leak off the image charge pick up by passing through the high voltage zone. Due to waters polar nature they form micro-capacitors that will short out as the area becomes close to zero.

or

This creates hydronium ions ( H3O+) and these ions can't exist in waters' evaporate state thus releasing one or more ( H9O4+) mono atomic hydrogen atom(s) per water droplet when the droplet size reaches a critical mass of not being able to support any hydronium ions. And the image charge picked up will not allow the hydronium ions to dissapate it's charge, and/or normalize turning back into H2O.

Oxygen, and water for that mater reflect blue light so I would surmise that a red LED would be a good place to start. What do you think? White is almost certainly what Stan used. Wouldn't using white be a safe way to go? It would rule out the LEDs as the source for the entire system failing.

This is where I am unable to tell what wavelengths of light will effect the oxygen atom the best for it is imposible to tell from the chart found here which wavelengths are from ionized atoms or normal atoms: Spectra of Gas Discharges My best guess is something I don't want to post due to I know everyone will just copy it and if it doesn't work blaim me for it not doing so. This time everyone has to do there own research but I will tell you that atomic oxygen has a wavelength of 777.194 nm if that is a good wavelength to use I am unsure, so it is best everyone do their own homework/research on this one.

So would one GP be able to supply all injectors?
And would I need two Vic's? One for the ionizing step and one for the injector zone? Or can one supply power for both?
These pictures of "The gas resonant cavity" are the actual Gas processor right?

Yes, one gas processor will be able to run the show. In looking at Stanley Meyer's work I would say each injector will need it's own VIC transformer for in looking at his WFC each tube set seems to have had it's own VIC transformer as shown here:

Here you can see 11 VIC circuits and the count might be nine for the WFC and one the Gas Processor and one for the Steam Resonator. But that again is a best guess as too what I think is shown here.

I know I didn't answer all the questions but I hope what I did answer was helpfull in some way,

h2opower.