Stanley Meyer Explained

[tutanka]

HI H2O,
I have read some your explainations but at this time I don't have understand effective reactions.. In fact Meyer system is based on electrons, you add .. you cut electrons.. you ask that water is atomized .. ok.. in this waymy mind figure it.. air (oxygen) and water and charged. For charged we add electrons to water and we cut electrons to air.. after are mixed trougth injector and sended thougth HV field that transform mixture in monoatomic hydrogen (I think).. But as you know engine have phases and time of reaction is very small.. For it my mind suggest me to create externally hydrogen to send into engine.. If Meyer system work as I have mentioned there are not difference to create externally hydrogen and send it into engine.. Or I have lost other thing?? Please answer me .. Many Thanks

[tutanka]

After H2O ...
You ask of vacuum, etc... Some threads ago you have posted an youtube video link about engine that theorically work to water.. This work in this way.. First charge water with temperature at 90°C, chambre combustion is different and air compressed with piston (high temperaure is reached) is accumulate with specific valve inside chambre combustion, after piston oes down and create vacuum.. in this condition is injected water atomized 90°C and electric arc HV is created.. result (to verify) is creation of hydrogen into combustion chambre.. after hot air is released and burn hydrogen.. This is an best scenario but in fact must be verified and engine must be modified in some parts.. Our real scenario is different .. we have an standard 4 stroke engine and we have to work on it.. If you have run with success an 4 stroke engine you are great but you can share with us your video and explain pratically and not with theory as you have reach this success.. no more words are needed .. I don't want your project but only an scheme to blocks ..

[h20power]

HI H2O,
I have read some your explainations but at this time I don't have understand effective reactions.. In fact Meyer system is based on electrons, you add .. you cut electrons.. you ask that water is atomized .. ok.. in this waymy mind figure it.. air (oxygen) and water and charged. For charged we add electrons to water and we cut electrons to air.. after are mixed trougth injector and sended thougth HV field that transform mixture in monoatomic hydrogen (I think).. But as you know engine have phases and time of reaction is very small.. For it my mind suggest me to create externally hydrogen to send into engine.. If Meyer system work as I have mentioned there are not difference to create externally hydrogen and send it into engine.. Or I have lost other thing?? Please answer me .. Many Thanks

It is an ionic reaction where hydrogen is the limiting reagent. Now in the math I posted what I show is a worste case possibility. The charged air gases have to break down the water molecule expending 1836 kJ/mol to do so, and only di-atomic hydrogen was used to complete the reaction with the ionized oxygen atom. Don't worry about the time it takes for the engine to suck the mixture into the combustion chamber for the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are quite fast. Now you can put hydrogen in to mix with it in the combustion chamber for it wont hurt the overall process. But if you have a blow back with thermo explosive energy you might kiss your Gas Processor good bye as well as the whole intake system that isn't design to handle high pressures.

The system is stripping electrons from the oxygen and inducing an image charge on the water molecules as a result the water molecules are negetive and the oxygen atoms are positive, I wonder if I got that right, but anyway that is how it works with the water injector system.

Nite all,

h2opower.

[tutanka]

HI H2O,
Thanks for reply me..
Ok .. but how many electrons are stripped from oxygen and add to water?? This is fundamental for reach the success.. Is a mathematical electronic reaction and can't be casual but precise..

[h20power]

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[h20power]

HI H2O,
Thanks for reply me..
Ok .. but how many electrons are stripped from oxygen and add to water?? This is fundamental for reach the success.. Is a mathematical electronic reaction and can't be casual but precise..

Stanley Meyer says 4 or more so here are the reactions:

4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

[tutanka]

HI H2O,
Thanks for answer me but still isn't clear without real reactions.. Oxygen have 6 electrons on second orbit and two on first. Water have 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 of oxygen and formed an octet 6 (oxygen electrons) +2 (hydrogen electrons). Water is ionized negatively (add eletrons) and air positively (strip electrons). For obtain reaction oxygen of air must be -1 electron for to weak the bond of water.. Of course water must be ionized for obtain a fast reaction.

[tutanka]

But ins't sufficient theory .. If you have build with success Meyer system you know how many electrons are needed to add and to strip. I need to know mathematical reactions.. Are very important for my mind Many Thanks

[Digits]

Closer look

Hi H2O

I am in the final stages to build my gas gun.
I have loaded a drawing of how aproxx my setup will be I also included the soft copy wich you will be able to edit in CAD since you told me you'v got it.

I sometimes think I know how everything works and then I hit a blank and doubt everything I know ha ha ha.http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif

I am still not sure what I am going to dd to get water atomized but I am searching for Ideas I was thinking Ultra sonic but It makes very little and is very far from 125 Psi.

One question should'nt one of the tubes be insulated inside the gasgun?
I have a small HV supply with 4k volts and it sparks with a gap of about 2mm
with 11k and up its going to spark constantly and may cause carona discharge since I am pumping dry air through a the tube, kind a think of it mabe its not a bad idea but ja.

So as far as I understand it we have dry air pumped through a gas gun stripping of electrons.
Then water being atomised then exposed to a high volage zone 11k+ Stan said that the smaller the water droplet the smaller the voltage needed
And finaly introduce non-combuxtabl gas and ignite!

I hope I have it right

Thanks and feel free to leave coments on the drawings even change if you want to.

Thanks Digits

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[CPU3rother]

Who blocked it and why?

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[pmazz850]

LED's

In one of Stan's drawings he has the LED's labeled as infrared. I believe its the laser accelerator diagram. Should we try infrared?

[Jbignes5]

Aye

yes he was also saying that they were in the red spectrum. so Infrared would be a good place to start since it makes sense. maybe even a broadband red might help to figure out if it is the red spectrum.
I was also thinking infrared. Just a gut feeling...

[natone_m]

LEDs

On the subject of LEDs, I found this site Environmental Lights - Home. It sells LED strips of various colors and intensities. It even sells infared. The LEDs are roughly 1/2" apart on most of them and the lengths can be cut to whatever size you want. It might beat going through the hassel of printing circuit boards and soldering a butt-load of LEDs and resistors together. Just food for thought.

[Jbignes5]

Nah in order to get the kind of effect Meyers was talking about you need a good amount in the span of an inch or so on each side. It's gonna take a custom job to get the right packing of leds. I'll have to check my patent files again and see just how many we should be going for. I fugure that our diodes are stronger now so I'll try to adjust the amount needed to get the same effect by eye. Unless someone wants to calculate the amounts needed from todays leds. But we have alot of variables as well on that subject seeing that leds come in a vast array of sizes now as well.
I'll post later on the patent schems and drawings to let you see what he was upto. it seems he had a gas mixer then high voltage wave guide that was tapered on the end to compress the mixture then shoot it out the end. But in the schems that I have there is also an excess energy coil to soak up the extracted energy after the laser excitation of the gases then the taper wave guide. the whole process is protected by ball valves held by springs for the inlet of the water to protect the system. I think this one I have is an older diagram so you'll have to bear with me while I get back upto speed. This is the one I have atm.

[chuukie]

wtf

Water for Fuel
any ony seen this?