Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

HI H20POWER..
I think is present in this thread some confusion .. you refer sometime to Albert Bowe's technology but concept of this engine is different from Meyer system. I reassume it fastly .. In fact Albert Engine use ONLY hot vapour, vacuum inside engine and only HV field. Not air charged positively with electrons strip, not water charged negatively, not photons. Please explain me this because in mymind I have some confusion.. There are some ways for reach the success??? Regards to All

The reason I compare it to Albert Bowes work is Stanley Meyer also used the properties of water to aid in it's own breakdown. The Steam Resonator heats up the water before it was injected into the engine for the same reasons Albert did. And remember Stanley Meyer said in his patents that the mixture was not flamable until the ionized gases where mixed with the atomized water mist. That indicates to me that the ionized gases do have the nesasary energy to break down the water molecule, just as I did in the math I posted. The numbers I gave assume that the ionized gases have to break the water down, for that is a worste case posibility, and it still has more energy than gasoline .

Gas law science still applies to what we are doing. The main difference is the amount of water that will be needed from the two mens systems. Albert Bowes will need far more water and have far less power output than Stanley Meyers, but the GP can be used on Alberts system to improove apon his technology greatly, wouldn't you say? For we all should know by now that without the Gas Processor you need massive amounts of water to do the same work gasoline does. Albert Bowes is working with a diesel engine conversions, and Stanley Meyers is working with spark ignition systems for the most part. But you should see the value of adding in the Gas Processor to Albert's work without being shown or told why at this point.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

Today lesson is interested You wrote "the mixture was not flamable until the ionized gases where mixed with the atomized water mist" .. This step isn't clear... when air/water charged are mixed this mixture is flammable as gasoline or when are mixed hydrogen biatomic is released?? And HV field is used ONLY for transform H2 in H1? Regards

[natone_m]

Understanding

OK... I as well need a little understaninding too. The GP i get completely. Making the mixture combustible with water mist is what i need clarification on. What i've gathered so far is that there are two ways to make water combustable in the engine. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Could you make a combustable mixture by making a WFC and mixing hho with the air from the GP in the combustion chamber? Would you still have to negatively charge the hho or can the two gases be mixed and become combustable due to the unstability of both gasses. Granted, this is not what you're proposing in this forum but it would work right? That is what SM did originally before he invented the plug, right?

Or you can impose an negative voltage on water mist by exposing it to a negative (???) HV source like you're proposing.

Here is my issue. I'm trying to make this little experiment with over-the counter products so anyone can put one together with minimal machine work. I run into problems when i get to this darned injector. I know there are more than one way to skin cats but theres got to be a cheaper way to get charged water MIST in the engine than a custom machined injector.

I pretty much have my own plans and vendors for the GP and for a WFC (if needed). Injectors though are out of my league. Any thoughts?

[pmazz850]

Yes, it was blocked from manufacturing for it needed a transparent conductive coating on the inside surface of the tube and no company in the whole US will do it. If you find any company that can put a truly conductive coating 30ohms/sq or lower tell me.

One search gave me this. Is this something like what your refering to? Is this something the company has to apply? They say they'll make what you need. have you tried them? - Evaporated Coatings, Inc.

[CPU3rother]

One search gave me this. Is this something like what your refering to? Is this something the company has to apply? They say they'll make what you need. have you tried them?

Your link is missing

[pmazz850]

sorry, I fixed that.

[CPU3rother]

AGFA.com - Orgacon™ Electronic Materials.

[CPU3rother]

One search gave me this. Is this something like what your refering to? Is this something the company has to apply? They say they'll make what you need. have you tried them? - Evaporated Coatings, Inc.

Looks like they do the coating in house but it could be promising.

[h20power]

Sometimes I get the feeling I am the only one that reads the patent:

SMTB page 4-3 and page 4-4.
In terms of performance reliability and safety, ionized air gases (46a xxx 46n) and liquid water
(47a xxx 47n) do not become energy activated (volatile) until water-fuel mixture (48) reaches voltage
Igniter Stage (180). Injected non-combustible gases (45a xxx 45n) retards and controls the combustion
rate of the Hydrogen Fracturing Process (100) of Figure (4-8) during gas-ignition.

page 4-4

In essence, then, the Water Fuel Injector system (40) simply processes and converts water into
a useful hydrogen fuel on demand at the point of gas ignition ... thereby, co-equally or superseding
fossil-fuel safety standards ... especially when ionized ambient air gases (400 xxx 46n) and noncombustible
gases (45a xxx 45n) are intermixed with water supply (47) prior to entering Water Fuel
Injector Plug (20/30), as illustrated in (40) of Figure (4-2) as to (10) of Figure (4-1).

I don't know about everyone else but I read that water has to be mixed with ionized air gas creating a "water-fuel mixture" before sending them too the igniter stage to be sparked off. For a mixture is two or more substances mixed together.

About the company posted they can not do what is needed, for the only way they can do it is to have the tube cut in half length wise, a direct line of site application, and that is a no go for the way I am using it. For that would cause voltage iregularities that would promote arcing, plus a hard to seal vacuum leak, and a place where if the coherent light hits it the light energy would be stopped in its tracks cold. So I redesigned around the problem taking the prototype back to the drawing board, kinda like taking a pharmaceutical pill back to formula, for all of the math calculations and design parameters/characteristics had to be completely redone.

[Guest]

If anybody has read the latest issue of Extraordinary Technology you will know that HHO has a tremendous negative potential, it will be coverred during Teslatech 2009. That is why you can ignite the water mist/HHO mix with the primed oxygen and get the big bang - ion engine means mating positive and negative sides.

Yes H2O, I said it 10 times at least, sorry, but it seems like nobody wants to receive this information. It is FUNDAMENTAL.

All the fancy words, forget them, this is the essence of the engine.

[tutanka]

HI Gauss,
I believe in H2O but first to proceed to build the "water break system" I want to be sure that I have understand all. And at this point I ask to H2O.. Pratically you have apply Meyer concepts with success on gasoline 4 stroke engine? However I tink that, as I have previously written, Meyer system can be modified.. for example I don't think that Taylor cone can used for charge completely water but I think the way is hot vapour. In Meyer system this is created from steam resonator but I think we can use also an hydrosonic pump.. this pump produce some highly ionizer hot vapour and have COP >2 and can be connected to the engine directly. In fact this is the more important stage.. ionization of water is vey important because without it the reaction with air ionizer is very slow.. More peoples are convinced that injector is the only way.. I'm not sure about that.. I think in other solution, for each cylinder one "litte reactor" that produce hydrogen monoatomic.. In fact I think that HV field present into injector is responsable of transformation from H2 in H1.. Regards

[h20power]

HI Gauss,
I believe in H2O but first to proceed to build the "water break system" I want to be sure that I have understand all. And at this point I ask to H2O.. Pratically you have apply Meyer concepts with success on gasoline 4 stroke engine? However I tink that, as I have previously written, Meyer system can be modified.. for example I don't think that Taylor cone can used for charge completely water but I think the way is hot vapour. In Meyer system this is created from steam resonator but I think we can use also an hydrosonic pump.. this pump produce some highly ionizer hot vapour and have COP >2 and can be connected to the engine directly. In fact this is the more important stage.. ionization of water is vey important because without it the reaction with air ionizer is very slow.. More peoples are convinced that injector is the only way.. I'm not sure about that.. I think in other solution, for each cylinder one "litte reactor" that produce hydrogen monoatomic.. In fact I think that HV field present into injector is responsable of transformation from H2 in H1.. Regards

That is a clear example as to why I don't force people to think in a set fassion, and tell them it can be done in many ways, for I think that will work too . For his thinking is very different than mine and as such will come up with a completely different way to do the same job, thus making the water for fuel technology all the more difficult to stop. Like I said before someone out there is bound to out do me.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

HI H2O,
Thanks for reply me but surely I need more time for build my system, at this time I'm working on my own hydrosonic pump that include all stages.. of course.. my design is very different from original Griggs project but include inside all concepts described here.. Stage of ionizer hot pressure vapour is clear for me but I have in mind some ideas for final water charge section. I want to use corona effect with negative ions at >7KVDC no more voltage, circuit used can be the same of Kirlian, because I think this voltage is very sufficient with steam. My mind figure that I need more of one stage, in fact I think that are needed 4 stages for an complete negative ionization of steam.
My GP is different from Meyer (I attach here my design) .. Idea is every to use HV field and every kirlian circuit as positive ions including an section of photons and little magnetic field for stabilize reactions and stop the ozone creation.
Your suggestions are welcome.. Regards

[tutanka]

Of course.. I have posted only one own GP stage but I think , also for water charged, I need 5 stages in serie for obtain 5 electrons stripped.. 1e- more of water.. Regards

[tutanka]

This is my idea of water steam processor.... 4 stages in serie with HV negative ionization. All suggestions are accepted. Regards