Stanley Meyer Explained

[TRON]

OK, lets think this thru...

so you think maybe different wavelengths would work at different levels... not without stages of electron extraction grids (mesh) in between... you see an electron only stays free from its orbit for .75 seconds and then the atoms stabilize again. Lets say you eject 10% of the electrons at the first level and it takes .25 seconds to pass the second chamber and the third and the fourth. lets say you eject 10 percent of the remaining air's electrons at the second level (now 1/2 second elapsed) now you have 10% + 9% and again at the third level (10% of 81% = 8.1%) so 10+9+8.1 = 27.1% now you are at the fourth level and the first 10% wants to revert back to ground state because you havent removed the free floating electrons from the mixture, so at the fourth level you remove 10% of the remaining 17.1% (1.71%) now this removal and return to ground state process continues imagine you had endless levels in a really long GP at the 5th level, you lose electrons from the 2nd level, (17.1+1.71 - 10% =(18.81-1.881) at the fifth level... and on it goes never reaching 100% because the electrons fall back to ground state.

The Meyers Solution? GP #1 removes 10% in less than .75 seconds and EXTRACTS THE ELECTRONS, consuming them in a filament outside the enclosed chamber so that they CANNOT stabilize the atoms again.
My thoughts on this may spark an idea...(get it...SPARK / TRON...ELECTRON...pun intended)

My idea is GP#1 - EEC#1 - GP#2 - EEC#2 - GP#3 - EEC#3 and so on in a loop... we can get closer to 100 percent this way and get more volume of processed ions out of the air because its processed in stages!


consider this stages in his resonance chambers were required for more energy output... first stage - 10%Etrons = 90%AIR left...second stage - 10%Etrons = 81%AIR left...third stage - 10%Etrons = 72.9%AIR left... SO you see: at the third stage we have 27.1% Ionized

Of course this is assuming 10% efficiency which is probably very easy to do at any CFM volume such as the intake of a car engine at full throttle...

BUT WAIT! He (meyer) didnt use engine vacuum to pull in the processed air, he used a positive displacement pump, to send the processed positive charged IONS to the water fuel injector via the mixing chamber...so i think the air in the GP chamber was moving very slowly past the voltage zones and the LEDS...
That complicates things because slower air returns to a stable state much easier because it hasn't had a chance to pass through the electron extraction grid

I believe that if we are to remain pure to what obviously worked, and replicate it, we need to figure it out from all angles and not try to reinvent the wheel, kiss... keep it simple stupid! that was Stan's Motto!

Now im thinking about the design of the pumps.. they cant have any grounded moving parts come in contact with the processed gas (air) because the battery or vehicle ground will source electrons and stabilize the ionized air!

The same goes for the mixing chamber, it should be made or delrin or nylon as well to keep the EXH+IONAIR+VAPOR in a condition that will not allow electrons to be pulled in before it has a chance to hit the tapered resonant injector cavity.

Good insulation all the way to the water fuel injector is a big key in the design !

PEace

[Oneminde]

Tron

I understand that the EEC is a part of the "circuit". I did not include it when i lounched my idea. It only concerned the different methodes/solutions of LED placement (deliberately) - For i want a discustion about it!!! (Construktion)

You´r responce is greate and i like it - it showes (as h2opower said) hat this is not that easy as one might suspect if we look att the patent (image), but we allready know that.

But we also know that Meyer only used one GP right?.. if we look at the Dune Buggy image provided in this tread, there is only one GP present (that we can see) or is it a case of missleading information? do you TRON know for a fact that Meyer used several GP´s? or is it just your brain working *hope you get my humor here!
(I´m not attacing you just asking you if that assumption (1 GP) is right)

Now, if we assume (that can be dangerous ) that he only used one GP and take into account your philosophy of the process, how whould that fit into a GP?
Where whould the EEC grid(s) be placed besides in the centertube?



I was thinking of using the centertube and cylinder wall as my EEC - BUT, it doesent fit into your descriprion - does it???
This means that we need to go even deeper in the discustion and yes you are welcome.

Here´s one idéa:
The GP is made of Delrin or a teflon matterial (non reflective). Now, we need a reflective medium and we need EEC grids, so, accordingly we can use a metalic sheet/cylinder that can work as both parts - just figured that one out now.

(If there is somthing - a point - i´m missing in your description please excuse me for that)

[Oneminde]

h2opower

h2opower can you take a look at this and see what it does for us or for me or if we need this information? If not you can just write that!
You understand this better than i do!

(just in case there is information in that tread that is usefull)

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...resonance.html

[TRON]

EEC and CD-ROM diffusion of light

Here is the Meyers EEC, notice the electron extraction grid is inside the ring at the top ( the housing is removed for clarity of design) and the circuit alternates between HV pulses and Electron extractions...

P.S. I noticed today that a regular CD-ROM disk (blank) when held at the right angle can breakdown all the wavelengths in a specific light source.
Try it with some bright RED LED's, you will notice some green and some orange along with a long section of red... fun !

now try it with a compact fluorescent...notice the different bands in the rainbow? extra colors are there...

[h20power]

Wow, you two have been busy since I last logged on.

Let me start off by teaching a little bit more about the work of Stanley Meyer. In this picture what are you really seeing:
If anyone had ever done a search on this they might have come up with the correct answer to what type of fuel system this is, but that person would have to have been a mechanic that was use to working on German cars. For this fuel system that Stanley Meyer used is known as a "Continuous Injection System" or CIS for short. Each of the three solinodes are pressure regulators and the system flows a constant flow of each medium through the system anything not used gets put back to the source. I know this is the first time anyone has ever figured out what this system is so take your time in studying it throughly. Auto-Solve Diagnostic Assistance Now who built a tri system for Stanley Meyer I have no idea, but I do know that this is the system he employed.

But surprise surprise this is not the only way to do this. For once you understand the system you can make it work in any fasion you see fit. Knowing that the water fuel injectors are Kelvin Genarators who's water will never reach a bucket is a good start. And most importantly reading this patent Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System and understanding what the "Mixture" is gives you all the need to know know-how to replecate the system in far more ways than the one Stanley Meyer did.

You have to think why did he put everything into the spark plugs? For once you answer that question you will know that it was only done for the ease of retrofitting cars with one system. For this one system by-passed the existing cars fuel system entirely. That is why Stanley Meyer put it in the spark plugs to keep with the law of ecconomics. For it is far more costly to deal with each and every cars different fuel systems than it is to just by-pass them. You all have to ask the right questions to see what it was Stanley Meyer did.

As for the other thread, just stick with this one for I fully understand how Stanley Meyer did what he did enough to replicate it. Building it all is the challanging part for me.

On the EEC part yes you can make the tube be the hook up for the EEC but it is not as effective as a screen mesh Stanley Meyer calls for. On the WFC it shares the positive connection but on the gas processor is has it's own mesh screen seperate from the gas processor and the WFC and GP do not work the same in what they do. As for all the ideas on how many screen mesh grids in the system I will leave you to your thoughts, but make some real calculations on the gas speeds inside of the intake system for it is traveling far faster than you think. If you find someone to build you Stanley Meyer's tri-CIS system then go that route, for then the GP is having a more constant flow of air gases and some of those charged air gases are being recirculated through the system for that is simply the way it works.

Am I doing it like Stanley Meyer did, answer is no. I am modifying the existing fuel system to work with water as a fuel source and not by-passing the system the way Stanley Meyer did. For once you understand the system you can do it any way that you want. That is why I said strive for understanding for copying just leads to failure.

As for the wavelengths having them mix sounds better to me for it has over 73 wavelengths that will effect it so more than one is working on the oxygen atom when it move up the energy ladder, what mix? I don't know but it is clear to me that a mixture is what will work on the oxygen atom by deductive reasoning. Only 8 energy levels and over 73 wavelengths of light that will effect the atoms so any combination you can think of might work, just try and do some research on it is all I ask. For I know of 74 different wavelengths that effect the oxygen atom and dividing that gives 9.25 or, rounding it down, 9 different wavelengths for each energy level. When you look at it like that with real numbers in the mix you can see that this is not as easy as it looks. But it also shows that any guess is as good as the next, so best of luck to us all on that one.

A lot of things you two talked about just has to be tested out for remember no one has ever done this in at least 11 years now and I posted this information as soon as I got a clear understanding of how it all worked and then proceeded to building it. Like the Bible says this technology is a gift and far as I know when a gift is given to you you don't have to pay for it, yet another reason for doing what I did.

I hope this helped everyone for you are now getting at the limits of where I can help you,


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

H20 i don't have a car yet i'm constructing the unity to produce the needed amount of h2 the first test i'm going to use a Harley davidson.

Nice and if you put your pump before the gas processor you can have very hot air easier to ionize. 10 bar could be enough to bring air from 20° celsius to 400°. at this point you can ionize easier. On the car you can use the heat from the motor to do it too. The Geet pantone works like this.

[h20power]

Here is the Meyers EEC, notice the electron extraction grid is inside the ring at the top ( the housing is removed for clarity of design) and the circuit alternates between HV pulses and Electron extractions...

P.S. I noticed today that a regular CD-ROM disk (blank) when held at the right angle can breakdown all the wavelengths in a specific light source.
Try it with some bright RED LED's, you will notice some green and some orange along with a long section of red... fun !

now try it with a compact fluorescent...notice the different bands in the rainbow? extra colors are there...

Correction it is not removed for clarity of design it is seperate from the Gas Processor and connected down stream from the air flow coming from the Gas Processor. It is a positive lead that completes it's circuit when the ejected electrons come into contact with it is the simplest way to think of it. Like I said it has the same name as the one used in the WFC but the way it works is completely different for you are dealing with two different mediums gas and a liquid. Hope that helps,


h2opower.

Oh, yes the housing was removed from view for ease of under standing the drawing, sorry didn't catch what you meant at first.

[CPU3rother]

But we also know that Meyer only used one GP right?.. if we look at the Dune Buggy image provided in this tread, there is only one GP present (that we can see) or is it a case of missleading information? do you TRON know for a fact that Meyer used several GP´s? or is it just your brain working *hope you get my humor here!
(I´m not attacing you just asking you if that assumption (1 GP) is right)


(If there is somthing - a point - i´m missing in your description please excuse me for that)

I alway thought that stan used one GP for each cylinder. not one for each car. However, it realy wouldnt mater how many GPs as long as you follow h2o good advice and make sure your not trying to pull the air through a straw and you can get the needed volume/energy level.

Am I doing it like Stanley Meyer did, answer is no. I am modifying the existing fuel system to work with water as a fuel source and not by-passing the system the way Stanley Meyer did. For once you understand the system you can do it any way that you want. That is why I said strive for understanding for copying just leads to failure.


h2opower.

Previously you posted a link to Co. that makes convertion kits that would handel the mixing and ignition timing. Did you decide not to go with this? Along the same line so I understand better, are you planing on geting up and runing without building Stans injectors?

Keep up the good work! It is inspiring.

[pmazz850]

H2opower

I have a question for you. Do you live in a climate where it gets cold in the winter? Have you given any thought to how one would deal with this situation, running a water fueled car and freezing temps? It seems it will be a problem for some, including myself. Maybe an addative? Something that wont effect the operation of the system? I really have no plan for that yet. I would imagine if you added something to the water it would throw every thing off. Any ideas?

[h20power]

When I posted that CPU3rother it was for the people that where going to use the WFC no matter what. That way they would have a system to control the whole thing and all they would have to do is set the WFC to keep it's pressure above the needs of the system and make the quenching circuit for each injector so no blow backs. The system will set you back about $1800 or so and you will have to build the WFC, controling circuitry, quenching circuit, and the GP & controling circuitry and VIC transformers for the two.

As for keeping it from freezing pmazz850 eithonal, or any thing like that, doesn't effect the way the system works, only salts, acids & bases effect the system to the point where wont work. If it is really cold you might have to plug in something to keep the temps up above freezing or move to a warmer area with the birds, lol.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

[TRON]

RE: Freezing

I have a question for you. Do you live in a climate where it gets cold in the winter? Have you given any thought to how one would deal with this situation, running a water fueled car and freezing temps? It seems it will be a problem for some, including myself. Maybe an additive? Something that wont effect the operation of the system? I really have no plan for that yet. I would imagine if you added something to the water it would throw every thing off. Any ideas?

Stans patent included a flip flop kind of circuit, kind of like how two 4 way switches work in a home to control a light from 4 different locations... well now that ive confused you let me explain, The STEAM RESONATOR was placed in the water tank to keep the water warm and to avoid freezing. instead of pulsing one plate negative all the time and the other positive, like in the electrolysis cell... he used two vic coils and a switching arrangement with relays to have the plates alternate this would set up friction inside the water molecules and create heat because the electron would go left on one pulse then swing right on the other pulse, while the proton would do the opposite simultaneously. HEAT was the result, not hydroxy gas... thats pretty much it.
Look at the patent diagram / circuit...here is one of the drawings, shows the left hand movement, there are a few more in section 430 of "Meyer Full Data (234 pages)"

[pmazz850]

Tron

Yes, I've read that. But I don't think its going to help you when you walk out in the morning and its 10 degrees, and your tank is a solid block of ice. I guess you would need a heated garage to store the car. But then you have the problem of leaving the car parked somewhere for a long period of time.You would need an addative of some sort to stop freezing.

[h20power]

Any Alcohol will aid in the prevention of water from freezing for they are ready use it as an additive to gasoline to keep the water in the fuel from freezing. Alcohol doesn't effect the way the water for fuel technology works as far as I can tell and it is your best bet to give it a try when you get to that point. Other things you can try to do is to try raising the pressure in the tank so water freezes at a lower temperature using the phase diagram of water as your guide. Keeping water in motion also aids in keeping it from freezing. Use your imagination and some research find out how the industry deals with the problem of unwated water freezing issues.


h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Thanks H2opower. I'll look into that.

[netzerite]

oil zinc heater

Yes, I've read that. But I don't think its going to help you when you walk out in the morning and its 10 degrees, and your tank is a solid block of ice. I guess you would need a heated garage to store the car. But then you have the problem of leaving the car parked somewhere for a long period of time.You would need an addative of some sort to stop freezing.

I remember reading somewhere of the discovery(I believe it was Einstein) that if you place zinc in common motor oil it produces a mild heat reaction. I was considering experimenting with some kind of closed cell as a variation of the concept to keep my H2O a liquid during times of winter inactivity.

Netzerite