Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

Thanks to all

I to would like to thank all of those that helped me when all the world was saying I was on the wrong track. I thank Chasson321, HMS-776, TRON, Digits, and all of the team for their moral suport. I also thank Dr. Lindemann for his words of insperation when I was first on to what Stanley Meyer had done though he chose not to write in this thread I know he is doing great things for humanity elsewhere. And to all that have shown me support for this has been a fun trip, though at times the nay sayers where starting to get me down, I knew that the science proove what I was saying so I pressed on.

But now on to the more fun part and that is becoming energy independent for all of this has to be built and that is where I am today building it so I can best take care of my family. I hope I have shown that there are more ways to do this than that of Stanley Meyer did with the injectors or WFC at first. Oh, and on the frequency for the GP I am going with 50k Hz for unlike Stanley Meyer my ionized air gases are not being recirculated and if I need to go higher all I need to do is match up another VIC transformer for the new frequency in mind and remove the old one.

Though for me a lot of work I have ahead of me as I convert this car to a water burning vehical of freedom and then the road trips are back in buisness route 66 here I come


h2opower.

[TRON]

Its been good...

I have enjoyed chewing on all this with you... might write a book and give it away.... maybe not.
One last comment because it seems all the major contributors are bowing out...

IF you decide to set up the electronics like i have explained on this page;

When you impose the High Voltage spark onto the same wire as the VIC to fire the mixture, use two Microwave oven Diodes 12Kv rated in parallel or series, whatever works for you...to ensure the spark from the ignition coil goes to the quenching gap at the end of the injector and NOT to the VIC ! (it will fry) and put another two MICROWAVE DIODES on the wire from the vic to the injector to ensure the HV pulse frequency doesnt fry the Ignition Coil...

like two one way safety valves to protect both coils from each other...

the only place we want the IGNITION SPARK and VIC SIGNAL is in ONE DIRECTION, to the SHARED INJECTOR !

GOD BLESS AMERICA !
Freedom has meaning again...

I will post any fresh insights to my EEC Circuit Thread in the future, as things(thoughts) develop...

I SUPPOSE THIS THREAD IS OPEN TO GENERAL DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS!!!

ThAnKs H20PoWeR: I will help with Electrical info any time... as i develop schematics and PCBs i will also post them here!
BYE...

[vegasscorpion]

just trying to help

Hi Everyone,
I was listening to the William Alek radio show last Saturday when the guest mentioned Stan Meyer frequencies.

Robert Koonst, Ph.D.
FREE Energy and Antigrav Technology

http://www.doctorkoontz.com/

scalar frequency in copper???
Stan Meyer = 6 khz, 480 khz, 93 mhz

I don't know if e-mailing him and asking him to clarify would save time/energy. Good luck!!!
VegasScorpion

[Oneminde]

Hi Everyone,
I was listening to the William Alek radio show last Saturday when the guest mentioned Stan Meyer frequencies.

Robert Koonst, Ph.D.
FREE Energy and Antigrav Technology

http://www.doctorkoontz.com/

scalar frequency in copper???
Stan Meyer = 6 khz, 480 khz, 93 mhz

I don't know if e-mailing him and asking him to clarify would save time/energy. Good luck!!!
VegasScorpion

I wrote earlier that solid information on our sources is important, so if you can e-mail Robert that whould be great and i think that the rest of the group agree whit me. And welcome to this splendid group of hard working indiviuals
Roberts source(s) might be important if this IS the reconant frequensys Meyer used. Do you also have a link to the radio show?

[vegasscorpion]

radio show link

Vortex Network News Progressive Technology Hour with William Alek

ask and you shall receive!
VegasScorpion

[pmazz850]

Ionization info

This seems like it would be a good article to read up on ionization with laser, but I cant get the full article. Any ideas/ Maybe someone here has acess to it.

[sebosfato]

Its easy this way

Guys ok now stop!!! go back to the birth of a new technology and find figure 8-10: VIC VOLTAGE SYNC-PULSE CIRCUI. MEYER LEFT THIS TO US. I found after i reinvented it so only for you guys this is all recirculating current is all about. the 0v is a neutral plate or two capacitors sharing ground it doesn't matter is all about wire thickness. If you read this diagram you understand current is recirculating. If you download multisim 10 and simulate you will see it its going to 10kv within 0,01 sec. Of course you don't have water inside multisim so be careful with real simulation. I got so many good results that i realy find it very dangerous as you need 40 amps recirculating to start having effects. (depends on water purity) start with normal water. than when you have it working you can use pure water. Please be careful its dangerous.

Tip
read my posts I left all the way to get this if you read it well you will understand what i talk about
Peace

[TRON]

Figure 8-10...

Guys ok now stop!!! go back to the birth of a new technology and find figure 8-10: VIC VOLTAGE SYNC-PULSE CIRCUI. MEYER LEFT THIS TO US. I found after i reinvented it so only for you guys this is all recirculating current is all about. the 0v is a neutral plate or two capacitors sharing ground it doesn't matter is all about wire thickness. If you read this diagram you understand current is recirculating. If you download multisim 10 and simulate you will see it its going to 10kv within 0,01 sec. Of course you don't have water inside multisim so be careful with real simulation. I got so many good results that i realy find it very dangerous as you need 40 amps recirculating to start having effects. (depends on water purity) start with normal water. than when you have it working you can use pure water. Please be careful its dangerous.

Tip
read my posts I left all the way to get this if you read it well you will understand what i talk about
Peace

After the completion of the water powered dune buggy (maybe) it seems that Mr. Meyers started finding ways to use the injectors, their specific shape and the pulse waveforms associated, that would make this technology available to more industries than just transportation.

He decided to change some circuit designs in the way the wires were connected and in the shape of the tips on the hydroxy injectors to produce different temperatures, instant explosive force, steady long lasting flames and low temperature spread out flames for such things as heating systems for buildings... he even added a high tech injector design with a laser light beam at the tip to produce a plasma torch style tip for cutting steel or for very high temperature applications.

The Sync-Pulse, Crossover-Pulse and Unipolar-Pulse configurations of the LATEST VIC COIL (alternator) are three ways of sending voltage waveforms to the three different uses and configurations of the Injector Nozzles.

For Internal Combustion Engines, the Taper resonant cavity causes compressional waves to produce a higher force than temperature.

For cutting torch applications, linear waveguide is used for a steady flame

For Heating applications
where flame temperature needs to be high and explosive force needs to be low, the expanding waveguide is used (opposite of taper waveguide, at the tip..resembles a megaphone).



each of the 3 advanced wiring schemes are implemented in the way the custom built alternator is connected to the separate Amp Impedance choke Coil assembly ( stainless wire coils on a closed loop core). There is never a 40 AMP current anywhere in Stans Circuits.... Let me repeat...NEVER....That also means there is no large diameter wire.... because inherent in the large conductor is the higher current, WHICH IS TO BE AVOIDED AT ALL TIMES.

HIGH VOLTAGE ALWAYS PREFERS LOW AMPERAGES, OR COILS ARE DAMAGED INTERNALLY.

This formula applies to all electrical circuits.

If anyone EVER posts a design that uses high current, they are either pulling the wool over your eyes...agents of misinformation....or someone who doesnt understand what they are doing...and simply talking for talking's sake.... the world is full of people who love to hear themselves type in forums like these....keys clicking away in wild abandon of all logic... in an attempt to make themselves experts on something they do not understand. Please understand that this is not productive in our cause to destabilize the fossil fuel status quo. Sure this technology can be implemented, but it must be done with accuracy and deliberate, truthful, duplicatable steps.

if we set up cars, for example to use water as a fuel, WE CAN MAKE THE GOVERNMENTS HAPPY, BY REPLACING THE GASOLINE TAX WITH AN ODOMETER FLAT TAX. THAT WILL KEEP THE ROADS IN REPAIR, AND PROVIDE AN EQUAL SOURCE FOR REVENUE COMING IN.....FOR EVERY CAR THAT MAKES ITS OWN FUEL, WE ELIMINATE THE COST TO THE CONSUMER OF THE BASIC FUEL ( OCEAN WATER IS FREE...)BUT RETAIN THE INCOME STREAM FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.... AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT DOESNT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NEWFOUND WEALTH AND OVERCHARGE US ON TAXES( YEAH RIGHT)...

The funny thing is, we all recognize people who have no electrical training, by the terminology they use... stan was different... he used his own vocabulary of technical terms that nobody understands in modern electrical terms, because his high voltage, low current coils were doing things that did not apply to normal industrial use. These exotic coils and concepts have their own technospeak... unless you keep the parentheses and technical repetition at the back of your mind while trying to see the simple truths in the big pictures of stan's descriptions... you may come up with ten different concepts that are just not there.. Remember, there is never any amperage in any VIC coil ( including the VIC coil that is actually a modified alternator) that is ever over 1 or 2 AMPS MAXIMUM !

Mr SEBOSFATSO... when you start talking nonsense about 40 AMPS recirculating... well i just have to step in and show people that what you are describing IS NOT WHAT MEYERS IS DESCRIBING...YOU SIR ARE DOING SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.. and a simulator can NEVER duplicate the effects of a water capacitor in a tapered cone that has a changing capacitance within a half second as the gasses form....

If you ever build anything that uses HIGH VOLTAGES of 1500 VDC to 10,000VDC, please abstain from the 40 amp part !

If I am not understanding you please let me know, everyone has practical ideas, but they need to fit the theme and scope of Stans Design for this thread..good luck in your research !

[TRON]

Stans GP was a simple Electron Gun...

CERN, in switzerland has a web page on particle accelerators and electron guns, Notice in almost every diagram for positive ion sources and negative ion sources, there is a RF industrial std. of 13.56 mhz , a high voltage, and some magnets or focusing magnetic coils... one image even shows an electron collector!

The key to web searches for ideas on how to make the GP work is to use the term "Plasma", because ionized air is known as a plasma and is used in industry to clean semiconductor surfaces for metals deposition and cleaner, stronger bonds. Plasma was also described in my web search as being able to break down many types of molecules... the military is looking at using high voltage RF plasmas for ignition systems...?
Enjoy:ION SOURCES AND ELECTRON GUNS

[h20power]

sebosfato,
I too find that your take with the high amprage use and high frequency don't follow any known theories in science. A thick gage wire will have something knows as "Skin Effect" this is where none of the current travels through the core of the conductor due to it's size. That is the main reason they use hollow copper tubing in Teasla primary coils.

From: Skin effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor so that the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core. That is, the electric current tends to flow at the "skin" of the conductor. The skin effect causes the effective resistance of the conductor to increase with the frequency of the current. Skin effect is due to eddy currents set up by the AC current.

Now this also applies to pulsed DC. So the use of heavy gage wire with high frequency is not recomended as nothing will get through and all the extra wieght of the wire will be wasted. For the eddy currents will start to build up heat and thus cause losses in the system.

When designing the VIC transformers the sizes of the wire matter greatly for you have to match up each and every bobbin space to have the same inductance and that is done by verying the wire sizes. In all of my posting all the rules of todays science applies, I made sure of it. If you put 40 amps through the water it must heat up as a result end of story if not what you are doing defies the laws of phsyics. Everyone use to think that Stanley Meyer's work defied the laws of physics, but I have prooven otherwise. It is my guess that you still think there is some magic in the work of Stanley Meyer's when I went out of my way to show that it does in fact obey all the known rules of science. Where people thought there was magic I put in science and showed the math.

What you are doing is just as different as the other guys who put Stanley Meyer's and Dr. Dingel's name on BF technology when it comes to what Stanley Meyer did. You might have something there that will also work, but it is not like the works of Stanley Meyer. In saying that you might have something great that others will want to write about some day once you get it perfected. But to say it is Stanley Meyer's work is a slap in the face to all that I have shown in this thread. If you get 10,000 volts and 40 amps of power most arc weilder can't make that kind of energy and the amp trailing arc will have the power to melt just about anything it comes into contact with let alone kill you if you got in its' way. So please be carefull with your work as those kinds of energy level can be fatal. I wish you all the luck in your endevors but note it is not the works of Stanley Meyer's.

I will still be posting as I finish up my project car for the conversion from gasoline to water. Also I will answer any questions out there as best as I can. The only reason I went and brought a project car is that I am ready now to make the conversion from gasoline to water as it's primary source of fuel. I first did the math and science now I am building and testing the numbers, but the science came first, other than some blind test to see what was going on with some of Stanley Meyer works I didn't understand a while back. I am not the gambelling type having only been acturally gambelling less that a hand full of times in my whole life. I move on sure things, when I know the odds are in my favor. The math says it can be done so I started building everything, it's really that simple.

Energy Independence is now ours for the taking,

h2opower.

[sebosfato]

After the completion of the water powered dune buggy (maybe) it seems that Mr. Meyers started finding ways to use the injectors, their specific shape and the pulse waveforms associated, that would make this technology available to more industries than just transportation.

He decided to change some circuit designs in the way the wires were connected and in the shape of the tips on the hydroxy injectors to produce different temperatures, instant explosive force, steady long lasting flames and low temperature spread out flames for such things as heating systems for buildings... he even added a high tech injector design with a laser light beam at the tip to produce a plasma torch style tip for cutting steel or for very high temperature applications.

The Sync-Pulse, Crossover-Pulse and Unipolar-Pulse configurations of the LATEST VIC COIL (alternator) are three ways of sending voltage waveforms to the three different uses and configurations of the Injector Nozzles.

For Internal Combustion Engines, the Taper resonant cavity causes compressional waves to produce a higher force than temperature.

For cutting torch applications, linear waveguide is used for a steady flame

For Heating applications
where flame temperature needs to be high and explosive force needs to be low, the expanding waveguide is used (opposite of taper waveguide, at the tip..resembles a megaphone).



each of the 3 advanced wiring schemes are implemented in the way the custom built alternator is connected to the separate Amp Impedance choke Coil assembly ( stainless wire coils on a closed loop core). There is never a 40 AMP current anywhere in Stans Circuits.... Let me repeat...NEVER....That also means there is no large diameter wire.... because inherent in the large conductor is the higher current, WHICH IS TO BE AVOIDED AT ALL TIMES.

HIGH VOLTAGE ALWAYS PREFERS LOW AMPERAGES, OR COILS ARE DAMAGED INTERNALLY.

This formula applies to all electrical circuits.

If anyone EVER posts a design that uses high current, they are either pulling the wool over your eyes...agents of misinformation....or someone who doesnt understand what they are doing...and simply talking for talking's sake.... the world is full of people who love to hear themselves type in forums like these....keys clicking away in wild abandon of all logic... in an attempt to make themselves experts on something they do not understand. Please understand that this is not productive in our cause to destabilize the fossil fuel status quo. Sure this technology can be implemented, but it must be done with accuracy and deliberate, truthful, duplicatable steps.

if we set up cars, for example to use water as a fuel, WE CAN MAKE THE GOVERNMENTS HAPPY, BY REPLACING THE GASOLINE TAX WITH AN ODOMETER FLAT TAX. THAT WILL KEEP THE ROADS IN REPAIR, AND PROVIDE AN EQUAL SOURCE FOR REVENUE COMING IN.....FOR EVERY CAR THAT MAKES ITS OWN FUEL, WE ELIMINATE THE COST TO THE CONSUMER OF THE BASIC FUEL ( OCEAN WATER IS FREE...)BUT RETAIN THE INCOME STREAM FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.... AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT DOESNT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NEWFOUND WEALTH AND OVERCHARGE US ON TAXES( YEAH RIGHT)...

The funny thing is, we all recognize people who have no electrical training, by the terminology they use... stan was different... he used his own vocabulary of technical terms that nobody understands in modern electrical terms, because his high voltage, low current coils were doing things that did not apply to normal industrial use. These exotic coils and concepts have their own technospeak... unless you keep the parentheses and technical repetition at the back of your mind while trying to see the simple truths in the big pictures of stan's descriptions... you may come up with ten different concepts that are just not there.. Remember, there is never any amperage in any VIC coil ( including the VIC coil that is actually a modified alternator) that is ever over 1 or 2 AMPS MAXIMUM !

Mr SEBOSFATSO... when you start talking nonsense about 40 AMPS recirculating... well i just have to step in and show people that what you are describing IS NOT WHAT MEYERS IS DESCRIBING...YOU SIR ARE DOING SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.. and a simulator can NEVER duplicate the effects of a water capacitor in a tapered cone that has a changing capacitance within a half second as the gasses form....

If you ever build anything that uses HIGH VOLTAGES of 1500 VDC to 10,000VDC, please abstain from the 40 amp part !

If I am not understanding you please let me know, everyone has practical ideas, but they need to fit the theme and scope of Stans Design for this thread..good luck in your research !

Ok I'm going to explain better stan tried to make you think you need only the vic transformer to do the job. He tried to fool you. I can explain to you the vic is made just to be able to drive this resonant circuit while restricting amps because if you put a very big transformer with thick wire, resonance will start violently and you will consume also 1kAmper With the vic or any small transformer you can drive it into resonance consuming only 3 amps and this way it will take very small time to resonate at 70 amps recirculating and about 8 kv whatever.

The sync pulse circuit wave form he show is the recirculating effect he had two channels of the oscilloscope connected like this. " capacitors in series 1°positive on side A and negative in the middle and 2° positive on middle and negative at B side. That are two sine waves 180°.

I discovered this because once like i said i meet another inventor (meyer started his work after meeting him because he could not release this technology in my country and he was working in usa in the end of the 70's in a laboratory researching for another thing related to transform gold sulfate into gold but this inventor used the laboratory for also his personal research as he had access to any material you can imagine he was funded buy a bank. He inspired meyer in the 80's) that told me about the recirculating of the current and i just put the fact that meyer used 1n1198 diodes so he was for sure using very high current. He was transforming voltage into current using resonance in series and a parallel resonance too. The tuning coil is very thick as also are resonant charging choke and Amp inhibitor coil. at least 3 or 4 mm. If the resonant inductor was together with the transformer it will never resonate it will be blocked.

sebosfato,
I too find that your take with the high amprage use and high frequency don't follow any known theories in science. A thick gage wire will have something knows as "Skin Effect" this is where none of the current travels through the core of the conductor due to it's size. That is the main reason they use hollow copper tubing in Teasla primary coils. Now this also applies to pulsed DC. So the use of heavy gage wire with high frequency is not recomended as nothing will get through and all the extra wieght of the wire will be wasted. For the eddy currents will start to build up heat and thus cause losses in the system.

When designing the VIC transformers the sizes of the wire matter greatly for you have to match up each and every bobbin space to have the same inductance and that is done by verying the wire sizes. In all of my posting all the rules of todays science applies, I made sure of it. If you put 40 amps through the water it must heat up as a result end of story if not what you are doing defies the laws of phsyics. Everyone use to think that Stanley Meyer's work defied the laws of physics, but I have prooven otherwise. It is my guess that you still think there is some magic in the work of Stanley Meyer's when I went out of my way to show that it does in fact obey all the known rules of science. Where people thought there was magic I put in science and showed the math.

What you are doing is just as different as the other guys who put Stanley Meyer's and Dr. Dingel's name on BF technology when it comes to what Stanley Meyer did. You might have something there that will also work, but it is not like the works of Stanley Meyer. In saying that you might have something great that others will want to write about some day once you get it perfected. But to say it is Stanley Meyer's work is a slap in the face to all that I have shown in this thread. If you get 10,000 volts and 40 amps of power most arc weilder can't make that kind of energy and the amp trailing arc will have the power to melt just about anything it comes into contact with let alone kill you if you got in its' way. So please be carefull with your work as those kinds of energy level can be fatal. I wish you all the luck in your endevors but note it is not the works of Stanley Meyer's.

I will still be posting as I finish up my project car for the conversion from gasoline to water. Also I will answer any questions out there as best as I can. The only reason I went and brought a project car is that I am ready now to make the conversion from gasoline to water as it's primary source of fuel. I first did the math and science now I am building and testing the numbers, but the science came first, other than some blind test to see what was going on with some of Stanley Meyer works I didn't understand a while back. I am not the gambelling type having only been acturally gambelling less that a hand full of times in my whole life. I move on sure things, when I know the odds are in my favor. The math says it can be done so I started building everything, it's really that simple.

Energy Independence is now ours for the taking,

h2opower.

Meyer said it was a series circuit so there is no point to use thin wire. If you want a high Q.
About the High frequency it is very important because you have more cycles of recirculating current and this way voltage become very higher.

I repeat Meyer didn't show the resonant circuit that he drive with his vic. ok
On the injector he showed the coil around.

[sebosfato]

Tron It seems non sense but it is how a resonant circuit works anyway i wish you good luck when trying out this.

Good tip: work a lot on multisim 10 is easy download it and if you want i can sent you guys the circuits simulations. Is the best i can do. you find it on demonoid

He show the wire thickness ALSO ON THE FIGURE 10-4 DUAL LAYERED MULTI SPOOL CONFIGURATION That is actually connected to water gap but the resonance coils are connected to high amp diodes and connected the way i said.

I think your work is great h2o and i wish you good luck too for your work. I hope soon we are going to be free.

I wish you luck guys i told you everything i know about it as this way i fell more safe and is more safe to keep this technology going anyway.

This summer is going to be very hot.

[sebosfato]

Oh another thing the current feedback for the pll is located on the thick wire just few turns on a toroidal transformer passing the current wire in the middle.

If it was located on the transformer you won't get any resonance.
and remember vic double the frequency so you should divide by two on the feedback.

[Oneminde]

What is going on?

What is going on? why now, why do you sebosfato decid to disagree whit h20power and TRON and others here and moste of all now that the entire system has been described.

Meyer allways talked about low amps and HV and the key is the GP and the EEC. Your ide does not include these devices and Meyer´s system is incapable of producing 10.000V and 40A, that is just insane - if you look att the VIC, there is NO CHANCE that they can exist whit such high current.

If you feel that these claims are true, why did you not come forth whit them in the beginning? i just dont get why you do it now, it makes no sence!

[sebosfato]

Meyer said it was series resonance ok so the less the resistance of the wire the greater the Q so if you make a circuit with a Q about 5000 6 mili ohm resistance and about 10uH coil you calculate to the capacitor value the resonant frequency and just drive it near this frequency you will see what happens. High amp diodes.


If you want to believe good for you my friend.