Stanley Meyer Explained

[Oneminde]

Tutanka

Where is the WFC/HGI/WaterSparkPlug/Thermal Explotion etc?... this is an engine.. C MON!!!
THIS (fine) VIDEO proves what?

Where is the HHO production?... this is the wrong place to poste a "new" ICE technology - start a new tread TUTANKA!!!
Unless you can show a working unit for "watergas".

[Oneminde]

Tutanka?

Is this the technology?

[h20power]

I am not a God tutanka I am just a man. I ask God for help with this and he has seemed to answer my prayers on this matter. If you have a look around all the other Stanley Meyer forms you will find that I am the only one talking about the Gas Processor as being the true source of energy of Stanley Meyer water for fuel patents. And I am the only one that has posted any type of mathmatical equations to that effect. I am the only one talking about the true purpose of the electron extraction circuit, and how it works differently in WFC compared to the GP. I don't know of any form that has someone talking about the Gas Processor other than this one unless someone from those forms read this thread and started some talks about it.

I am the only one that has given a good look at the water fuel injectors and related what I see in them too modern science. The summary I wrote is geared to help anyone see how Stanley Meyer water for fuel technology works. I went into just what the "Mixture" was in great detail, I am the only one that has shown just what a Bidirectional wrap really looks like. I am the only one that made the connection between the way an alternator is built to the way the VIC transformer it built. I seem to be the only one that has ever noticed that there are indeed two types of VIC transformers and not just one. I am the only one talking and comparing energy content calculations of gasoline and the "Mixture." I owe all of this thinking to God for he put a fire under my butt and gave me some great dreams that lead the way.

I ask some very simple questions to things I have already answered in this thread and you and your team still have yet to answer them. If your team has built an engine running on hho I am happy for them for that would mean someone out there will be energy independent soon. But the tittle says it all, "Stanley Meyer Explained," not Bob Boyce, or Dr. Dingel, or anyone else. For I feel that Stanley Meyer's technology is the apex of the water for fuel science. I deal with his patents and others that help explain what he did a bit better. Sure I made some changes that need to be tested out, and I am in the process of testing those changes out. But I stay within 14% of Stanley Meyer patents so I don't run into problems with people trying to sue me for stealing my ideas. I talked about how PV=nRT relates to the process and why haveing the water heated was a good idea again I don't think anyone out there is talking about that.

If you haven't noticed you will find a lot of talks on subjects of Stanley Meyer that are not being talked about anywhere else in the world, but right here. Just answer the questions or say I don't know the answer and I will go over it again so you do know. That will free me to answer naton's questions. All this talk of greatness, keep it to yourself, for it is self centered and greedy at it's heart. Learn what is ment by the words selfless service and start working for humanities benifit and not to try and line your teams pockets with gold, for trust me the coal, oil, and energy sellers of the world will not share the gold. They went into Iraq killing over one million people when they knew Iraq had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. So, you don't think they will accedently drop a bunker buster on your team if you put a real threat towards their way of life in there face? This technology will not come out by one team, it has to come out on a global scale for free to all that live on the planet. But if you want to test their metal by all means don't let me stand in your way.

I am moving as fast as I can for the most part, but I have other obligations I must take care of. But anyone can beat me too the puch for all the need to know information is on this thread. Building stuff in the blind is not bad science, for all you are doing is seeing what the technology does, but doing nothing is bad science for then all you have to show for it is empty hands. I am building as are many others. It's not a race but as far as changing the planet it is, for we only have a few years before we past the point of no return and the planet will really react to our human greed.

So if you would, please give an answer to the questions given to you.

h2opower.

[Oneminde]

Amen h2opower

You know what Tutanka (seems like you are a repeating subject), i have a project in mind and i am going to share it whit everyone in this tread.

Meyer, Bedini, Lindemann, Bearden.. do you know what they did for me? NO, i'll tell you. They told me, true books that I can change the world - that is what i choose to think and feel. To undertsand what "they" are talking aboyt wil finaly lead me to a point where I talk about it and understand it... so what is this "it" i am talking about, well it is not magic - it is an understanding for "what works vs what doesent work" (it's a concept of ones minde and understanding).

The Meyer technology is MY start to do this and in doing so i will help my country reach it's energy freedom before 2020 (that is our limit) - Whitout this, Sweden will never rich this point - this is the only way we will se a pulution free inviroment and oh yes i whant that. It's not a chase for money or glory...

I hade an revelation some time back - the first one was a magnetic generator (uniq in it's kinde) in my dream - so i cunstructed a modell and it will work, becouse it is so simple in it's funktion, so simple that no one has ever thought of it before .. it is even simpler than a Bedini charger and i'm proud over it, but that was not what i wanted to say.

What i wanted to say was this: When (not if) but when i succeed, that will mean that the surplus i generate can fund a project that involves building a large pumping station that converts saltwater (reversed osmosis) to fresh water and pumps that into the desert or dry land (mainland) this means that poor nations can start agriculture in places they couldent before and in doing so generating food, welfare, peace and so on.... just imagen a prosperous desert. And this is possible thanks to the modern knowledge on what and how energy works and whitout the need for greed.
Imagen what this technology can do to our oceans - no pllution from oiltankers and such.. do you see, do you understand why we all need to do this, why we need to work together?

In an ideal world this thecnology whould be free - IN AN IDEAL WORLD, but we do not live in that world yet - but lets keep our fantasy alive that we one day can...
So, in order to introduce this system on a large scale, a smal amount need to be charged, but if you understand what it give us in return, $1500 - $2500,- is not a high price to pay.....
H2OPower gave the understanding away for free and i will give a working system away at a low cost to them how doesent know how to do this - i surtenly feel that, that is a good deal. Do you Agree?

So, lets all just get along and do this ones and for all...

[tutanka]

Is this the technology?

No! This new engine is very particular.. is 2T and use 7 little pistons.. Our idea was divided the piston displacement in more stages.. and to obtain an only turning out force. The engine is 150cc, have 7 pistons, each piston is 21,5cc. For obtain the work we hae developed new system for convert linear force into rotary force. For don't have vibrations we have start also the rotation of the engine. This engine have very high power, 7 active phases for each 360°, the power is >50Cv. I attach here two photos..

[tutanka]

I am not a God tutanka I am just a man. I ask God for help with this and he has seemed to answer my prayers on this matter. If you have a look around all the other Stanley Meyer forms you will find that I am the only one talking about the Gas Processor as being the true source of energy of Stanley Meyer water for fuel patents. And I am the only one that has posted any type of mathmatical equations to that effect. I am the only one talking about the true purpose of the electron extraction circuit, and how it works differently in WFC compared to the GP. I don't know of any form that has someone talking about the Gas Processor other than this one unless someone from those forms read this thread and started some talks about it.

I am the only one that has given a good look at the water fuel injectors and related what I see in them too modern science. The summary I wrote is geared to help anyone see how Stanley Meyer water for fuel technology works. I went into just what the "Mixture" was in great detail, I am the only one that has shown just what a Bidirectional wrap really looks like. I am the only one that made the connection between the way an alternator is built to the way the VIC transformer it built. I seem to be the only one that has ever noticed that there are indeed two types of VIC transformers and not just one. I am the only one talking and comparing energy content calculations of gasoline and the "Mixture." I owe all of this thinking to God for he put a fire under my butt and gave me some great dreams that lead the way.

I ask some very simple questions to things I have already answered in this thread and you and your team still have yet to answer them. If your team has built an engine running on hho I am happy for them for that would mean someone out there will be energy independent soon. But the tittle says it all, "Stanley Meyer Explained," not Bob Boyce, or Dr. Dingel, or anyone else. For I feel that Stanley Meyer's technology is the apex of the water for fuel science. I deal with his patents and others that help explain what he did a bit better. Sure I made some changes that need to be tested out, and I am in the process of testing those changes out. But I stay within 14% of Stanley Meyer patents so I don't run into problems with people trying to sue me for stealing my ideas. I talked about how PV=nRT relates to the process and why haveing the water heated was a good idea again I don't think anyone out there is talking about that.

If you haven't noticed you will find a lot of talks on subjects of Stanley Meyer that are not being talked about anywhere else in the world, but right here. Just answer the questions or say I don't know the answer and I will go over it again so you do know. That will free me to answer naton's questions. All this talk of greatness, keep it to yourself, for it is self centered and greedy at it's heart. Learn what is ment by the words selfless service and start working for humanities benifit and not to try and line your teams pockets with gold, for trust me the coal, oil, and energy sellers of the world will not share the gold. They went into Iraq killing over one million people when they knew Iraq had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. So, you don't think they will accedently drop a bunker buster on your team if you put a real threat towards their way of life in there face? This technology will not come out by one team, it has to come out on a global scale for free to all that live on the planet. But if you want to test their metal by all means don't let me stand in your way.

I am moving as fast as I can for the most part, but I have other obligations I must take care of. But anyone can beat me too the puch for all the need to know information is on this thread. Building stuff in the blind is not bad science, for all you are doing is seeing what the technology does, but doing nothing is bad science for then all you have to show for it is empty hands. I am building as are many others. It's not a race but as far as changing the planet it is, for we only have a few years before we past the point of no return and the planet will really react to our human greed.

So if you would, please give an answer to the questions given to you.

h2opower.

HI H2OPOWER,
We don't want start a war.. our object is build a new movement of minds, only with this free energy can be reached. You have in mind to build functional meyer system and I'm sure that you reach the success. Entirety we can succeed in to obtain great result. in this moment we are constructing a cogeneratore for house to water, creed that if we had the possibility to work we would construct with it more fastly. I make excuses myself for the given answers but not ago it appeal to be dealt like a Fascist. Regards

[dragans]

Hi H20Power,

I am new on this forum. I have been on lot of forums, yahoogroups,..., and I think that you the only one who came so close to Stan Mayer's work.
I'm reading your posts over and over again. I have a lot of questions for you, but my english is poor(sorry). Because of that, I'm looking forward to see your next post. But, I hope that that post wil be some new discovery about GP.

PLEASE, don't lose your time,patience, nerves,..............., to reply on provocations. Every scientist on the earth has the same problem. You have to be aware of that.

Keep up with good work man.



Best Regards,

Dragan

[h20power]

Thermal Explosive Energy

Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction, and it is giving you just what the mixture is.}

I just went over it here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post58616 and it is in my summary here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post47874 and yet again here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post51525

This beggs the question "is anyone reading this?" An even better question "is anyone comprehending all of this?" I have went over what the mixture was many times on this thread. It should be something that is fully understood by anyone that has read the thread.

So, what two componets that make up the mixture are explosive? The ionized air gases and the charged water mist.

What is use to control the reaction chemically? The non-combustable gases.

That is all I wanted from you, to see if you understood what was going on.


h2opower.

[h20power]

What are some of the memebers of this forum ideas on controlling the mixture going into the cylinder. As H2O has pointed out there are many ways to skin a cat. Meyers himself through the years of his research came up with many ways to do this.

If one were to replicate the meyers injectors and spray patterns defined in the patents i believe they would need to regulate the pressure for all three components so that the mixture flows could be varied based on engine demands. Does that sound correct? or am i wrong. In my mind i think if all of the components are at a constant (oxygen energy level is consistantly at 4 electrons) the mixtures' cumbustion could be regulated by pressure control. I know this contradicts Meyers explaination of controlling the voltages and pulse widths to regulate outputs although that would work. Am i wrong about this?

I have seen mention about the mixing chamber on the buggy. How did this mixing chamber work? Could the mixing chamber be used to feed a standard fuel injector?

On a different note I'm putting the finishing touches on my GP CAD design. I'm trying to do it inexpensively with of the shelf stuff or very little fabrication cost. I love getting on this forum and reading and witnessing GP plans and projects in process. I have made up my mind that I want to be a part of it even though cant do the $$ fabricating. I guarantee my plan will be cheap, dirty, but hopefully effective.

Study how a CIS fuel system works for if you make Stanley Meyer's WFI's you are going to need that type of a system to control it, as each of the solinoides controls the pressure of each of the three mediums individually. But doing it that way you have to have a computer program of some sort giving the solinoides pressure information for where the system work opptimally for as the pressure increases/decreases the amount that is put out by them varies, thus giving control over the whole system.

This pic just shows the distributer and that is responceable for making sure they all fire at the same time:


The three solinoides (not seen) are the ones that control the system perameters in concern with the mixing amounts of each of the three componets of the mixture.
Hope that answers your question,

h2opower.

PS can't wait to see the design

[Oneminde]

H2opower

I found your "project folder" whit images/video of your Meyer project - just wanted to tell you that it is nice to see the other stuff and the "missing link"

And also, what software are you using to display your 3D rendering - i can sure use that, i am getting to that point where i need to construct parts on my computer.

Tahnks for everything so far!

[CPU3rother]

What are some of the memebers of this forum ideas on controlling the mixture going into the cylinder. As H2O has pointed out there are many ways to skin a cat. Meyers himself through the years of his research came up with many ways to do this.

If one were to replicate the meyers injectors and spray patterns defined in the patents i believe they would need to regulate the pressure for all three components so that the mixture flows could be varied based on engine demands. Does that sound correct? or am i wrong. In my mind i think if all of the components are at a constant (oxygen energy level is consistantly at 4 electrons) the mixtures' cumbustion could be regulated by pressure control. I know this contradicts Meyers explaination of controlling the voltages and pulse widths to regulate outputs although that would work. Am i wrong about this?

I have seen mention about the mixing chamber on the buggy. How did this mixing chamber work? Could the mixing chamber be used to feed a standard fuel injector?

On a different note I'm putting the finishing touches on my GP CAD design. I'm trying to do it inexpensively with of the shelf stuff or very little fabrication cost. I love getting on this forum and reading and witnessing GP plans and projects in process. I have made up my mind that I want to be a part of it even though cant do the $$ fabricating. I guarantee my plan will be cheap, dirty, but hopefully effective.

Might be able to just change the amount of exhaust gas in the mixture while leaving the air and water alone.

[h20power]

I found your "project folder" whit images/video of your Meyer project - just wanted to tell you that it is nice to see the other stuff and the "missing link"

And also, what software are you using to display your 3D rendering - i can sure use that, i am getting to that point where i need to construct parts on my computer.

Tahnks for everything so far!

I'm am using AutoCAD 2007. It is not some program you can just pick up and start using, you will have to go to college and learn how to use it. Took me one year of college to learn how to use it and anonther six months to learn how to apply what I had learned to the everyday world. It's a vector program so things made in it can go directly into a CNC machine for machining of the parts. And it has many more applications, for it's even used in hollywood graphics and more.


h2opower.

[TRON]

gass mixtures and power...

I believe that all three mixtures should remain in perfect balance for correct temperatures... changing the exhaust levels up or down per given amount of the other two will only raise the temperature of the flame or decrease it...
the secret to more power or less power is more or less time open on injector pulse... dont forget, besides the mixing chamber and the combined pressure into the injector... there must be a final delivery valve that opens and closes with different rates.

For example with a given mix of say 40% Ionized Air - 40% water Mist - and 20% exhaust... these will always be in this ratio if the temperature is correct: Then consider that all three are mixed and sent to the injector manifold block and split into 4 supply lines with 4 electronic control valves.
Each valve is controlled by the optical controller in the modified distributor, as well as the accelerator control (gas pedal). so the timing of when each cylinder gets a squirt of fuel is 1-3-4-2-(cylinder numbering) as well as the imposed spark current from the regular ignition coil... the VIC keeps the constant voltage to the tapered cone to produce the extra bits of hydroxy that didnt get split from the ionized gas.

The changing power levels come from the gas pedal that is connected to a linear control of photosensors and LED's this signal is fed to a summing circuit and controls the DURATION THAT THE ELECTRONIC VALVES ARE OPEN PER EACH SQUIRT.

This can be done with a duty cycle of square wave pulses to an electric solenoid valve (4 required) on the dune buggy.
Of course the BOSCH system that H20POWER speaks of is another way to do it, but that system uses a mechanical injector, not an electrical one... i should know because i just rebuilt a VW Rabbit with a Bosch MEchanical Fuel system.

SO the engine speed is controlled by the regular butterfly valve on the carburetor (no gasoline, just air flow control) and also the length of time the solenoids are open per injector supply line. frequency of pulses determined by speed of distributor sensors, duty cycle determined by accelerator position. 10% 30% 50% 100%... etc.

Thats my story and im sticking to it...

[Oneminde]

I'm am using AutoCAD 2007. It is not some program you can just pick up and start using, you will have to go to college and learn how to use it. Took me one year of college to learn how to use it and anonther six months to learn how to apply what I had learned to the everyday world. It's a vector program so things made in it can go directly into a CNC machine for machining of the parts. And it has many more applications, for it's even used in hollywood graphics and more.


h2opower.

I have an education in CAD, but i have not used it for years.. maby it's time to dust of my old books and start using it again, but thanks for the answer.

[TRON]

Electronics

tried looking into a MAX038 chip to provide .1 Hz to 20 MHZ pulses... the chip has been discontinued...
Still out here trying to get all the electronic circuits ready while you guys keep trying to produce ionized gasses and run them thru a mockup of a sparkplug or chamber to test the explosive output

if everyone would try the IONIZER and EEC experiments as goals, we can figure out the gas pedal stuff easily

I will try to post to the EEC thread again in a few days if i find any off the shelf IC's that will give us the signals we need to control the:

1. Signal A to EEC Relay for consuming device
2. Signal Vc to VIC / EEC Relay for Ionizer
3. Signal L to LED Light Array on Ionizer
4. Signal C to electromagnetic coils at entry and exit of Ionizer
5. Signal Va to VIC for cylinders 1, 3
6. Signal Vb to VIC for cylinders 4, 2
7. Signal P to fuel pump
8. Signal S1 to fuel solenoid cyl 1
9. Signal S2 to fuel solenoid cyl 2
10. Signal S3....
11. Signal S4...
12. PLL Circuit that tracks resonance for Signal Va (taper resonant cavity x 2)
13. PLL Circuit that tracks resonance for Signal Vb (taper resonant cavity x 2)
14. PLL Circuit that tracks resonance for Signal Vc (ionizer chamber)


Still need to figure out how or where PULSE PICKUP COIL gets wound on the VIC cores.

I would like to use this forum to start to develop a standard set of definitions for the signals in the Table above and use these as we discuss parts of the circuits that Stan used. SO that if everyone concerned prints out or agrees on a STANDARD set of rules when discussing various functions... we will all have the ability to work together and collectively produce a working document that can be downloaded...Modified and reposted, with version control.

For example, some electronics genuis could take on item # 1 and upload a EAGLE 5.0 Schematic image and parts list with web sources for parts... someone else could download that image, study it and make edits and repost version 1.2 then someone else could edit 1.2 and repost 1.2.1 or modify the first one and repost 1.3 or 1.3.1 or 1.4 etc... until the system and this thread has figured it out... then we simply search for 1.4 2.2 3.1 4.2 ... 14.2 and we have all the electronics schematics ready to go !

Just an idea... maybe my other post on the EEC Circuit is a way to go... each of us could take a line item from the STANDARD INDEX or TOC and start a new thread for each circuit part with a master thread done as well to assemble parts

Let me be bold and take the part of Chairman of the steering committee:
First order of business regarding electronics (H20POWER and OTHERS who UNDERSTAND) please reply with a similar list items 1 - 14 above and add any changes or additional items you think would help.

We need to focus on one way to make this work, and then once we have a complete system that runs a vehicle, then others can use the WORKING MODEL to modify it as they see fit... but if we sit back and say "well , this is MY way and you can do what you want" then we will fill another 23 pages of this valuable thread with useless discussions chasing rabbits in circles... lets get H20POWER to decide with us on a Stan MEyers DUPLICATION... get it working and then... branch out in different threads...

FOCUS PEOPLE!

PLEASE REPLY WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A TABLE OF CONTENTS AS INITIATED BELOW ( PROTOTYPE) " T.O.C. Ver 1.0"

1. Signal A to EEC Relay for consuming device
2. Signal Vc to VIC / EEC Relay for Ionizer
3. Signal L to LED Light Array on Ionizer
4. Signal C to electromagnetic coils at entry and exit of Ionizer
5. Signal Va to VIC for cylinders 1, 3
6. Signal Vb to VIC for cylinders 4, 2
7. Signal P to fuel pump
8. Signal S1 to fuel solenoid cyl 1
9. Signal S2 to fuel solenoid cyl 2
10. Signal S3....
11. Signal S4...
12. PLL Circuit that tracks resonance for Signal Va (taper resonant cavity x 2)
13. PLL Circuit that tracks resonance for Signal Vb (taper resonant cavity x 2)
14. PLL Circuit that tracks resonance for Signal Vc (ionizer chamber)