Stanley Meyer Explained

[chasson321]

Now, here is a serious question. We know that the Gas Processor is important yes, and we are developing it in theory. h2opower have built a GP and are planing on using it. But no one have entered a succcesfull replication of the injectors.
So, my question is;

"If we do not have an HHO production - nor do we have an injector, where do you get your hydrogen and oxygen fuel from?"
Do you use another source for that? or do you use an advance GP to seperate your water molecule and ionize the oxygen?

Maybe you use a GP only, i dont know - but as long as I dont have an injector, i am still going to need a soruce for my HHO.

If you know something i dont, then please say so - do not leave such an important part out when you are posting.

UncelFester did not post what he was experimenting on besides resonant coil circuits by the way!

Figured that you would know that injectors are necessary in combination with the Gas Processor. It is in the tech brief. It has been stated by h2opower in this thread. I also didn't mention the VIC, electronics, ect...

Look at Meyer's masterpiece not his early drawings. He states repeatedly that the finished product must be safer than gasoline. When everything happens in the combustion chamber that requirement is met.

[Oneminde]

Figured that you would know that injectors are necessary in combination with the Gas Processor. It is in the tech brief. It has been stated by h2opower in this thread. I also didn't mention the VIC, electronics, ect...

Look at Meyer's masterpiece not his early drawings. He states repeatedly that the finished product must be safer than gasoline. When everything happens in the combustion chamber that requirement is met.

The safty issue is present yes and the injector whould be safer then the "older" system yes. But as long as we do not have these injectors, where do we get our gas from?

Are you yourself working on these injectors and if so, how advanced whould you say they are in development?
If no on these questions - are you planing on not using water fuel until you have the injectors replicated?
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My point is this. I whould ratter use a WFC + GP instead of waiting for the injectors. The end result whould be the same, the only difference is the safety part here - and i suspect that you are talking about flashback arrestors and lekage from fuellines, that can also be addressed.

What Meyer did and what we are doing are two different things, whould'nt you say? And since Meyer cant answer our questions, all we have is ourself to do the "dirty" work.
If you claim that you are up there whit Meyer in knowledge then i am listening - if not, put forth your knowledge and see to it that this tread and its members can move forword to as h2opower did by starting this tread.

I do not claim that what i present here works or that my theorys are correct, all i am doing is saying; "look, this is interesting and it might have i high propabilety" - that is all, and i am willing to put forth what i think i understand, and not, i do not have a succesfull replication of the WFC, GP and the injectors... but i am learning and i "teach" out what i know so fare... and if am wrong, then i am - its simple. All i am interested in is the truth, not if am right or wrong.
The spirit of a true scientist is to seek out the truth, not to seek a surten answer.

We are all students here. If we have a master among us, then let he's name be known!

[tutanka]

Also - we are talking about resoance, now, what ells can we use to induce resonance on the molecule - you need to think here and follow the link i provided, you should get the answer.

To sume it up: You want a violent action on the molecule! Now, a PPC (Parallel plate Capacitor) will work if you also introduce pressure on the gas and the water.
Do not neglect the voltage inhibiter or ells the EM effect want work and you have achieve nothing besides developed another electrolyser.
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This is my theory!

HI Oneminde,
Your theory is correct!
In fact if we analize the WFC we found that is ONLY an complete antenna but instead to work with RF signal work with high voltage/frequency. The resonance is reached and mantained trought the cavity with HV frequency. More EM field more HHO production..

[NewGuy]

UncleFester,
Just 2 questions....I dont wanna bug ya lol
Would you be able to explain the effect Stan seen with his adjustable plate configuration and the bottom of his demonstration unit..... why did he choose to mount the cells the way he did at the bottom ? The pictures from his evaluation report and pictures of the actual demonstration unit are hard to get a clear understanding the function of the mounting configuration he chose including the length of the tabs that appear to be a sliver of the actual tube flatened out and bent with the bolts going thru to the bottom of the thing.I just cant help but think there should be a deffinate reason for configurring it the way he did and purpose.

[h20power]

The questions I asked go directly towards how Stanley Meyers water for fuel technology works. All questions should go towards gasoline distance of travel meaning they all need to be calculated to the same distance. The first question gives us a bench mark to what is currently being done. The second question will show how much hho is needed to go the same distance and should be broken down into gallons of water needed or moles of the gas hho needed to keep the units the same. The third question shows what happens when the gas processor is added and the water is only being charged so each water droplet repels each other for best mixing with the ionized air gases ( note no hho is being produced, the water is just being atomized).

Like I said this goes to the heart of how Stanley Meyer water for fuel technology works in the eyes of science and not some belief system. Everyone should also show all of your work so others can follow, correct, and most importantly duplicate your results. Now for a head start I have already done some of the math in my summary of Stanley Meyer's patent and here it is:

The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol

. The minus 1836 kJ/mol is hom much energy was expended on breaking the bonds of the water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen. Now I know this will take some of you some time to do, but I also know that each of you can do this. Just use the internet for learning and ask the right questions to get a lot of your answers.

Everyone can answer those questions you just have to want too. In answering these questions it will give you a clearer perspective on how all of this works for kJ/mol doesn't mean a lot to many of you out there and you need something more down to earth to see it clearly.


h2opower.

I don't have an answer at the moment to the energy contained and how far it would drive a vehicle, nor do I understand the relevance of the question in regards to production of hydrogen (either Ortho or Para) using the high voltage processes. Stan did claim that one gallon of water allowed the volkswagon to travel just over 300 miles, you can calculate what molecule would be required to be produced in order for this to take place, although without any device to make any form of hydrogen I'm not quite sure what this will do for you.

I think most people hear are interested only in how to quickly put parts together to produce the effects seen by Meyer. This takes a little mathematics and much hands on experimentation, along with a small amount of info from people who have already been in the lab working on this device (myself included).

I will leave and let you get back to teaching your college course in theoretical physics. I need to be back in the lab working on some tests on resonant coil circuits anyway.....

If anyone needs any more hands on information on my tests they can contact me directly.

[h20power]

Okay if you want to use the GP + the WFC here is how to do it:

• 1st go to this site and order a LPG conversion kit for your car: Alternative Fuel CNG Engine Conversion LPG Hydrogen Erdgas

• 2nd Make the WFC with the negetive electrode coated in glass

• 3rd Make the electronics that have the electron extraction circuit in it and set up the wfc to maintain a working persure for the system

• 4th Make some quenching tubes for the LPG injectors for safty.

• 5th Make a VIC transformer for you WFC for a resonance of 42.8k Hz or so.

Now you will also have to have something that auto fills the WFC, but unlike Stanley Meyer's you will not have to raise or lower you voltage amplitude for the WFC will be set for a certant pressure that will be above the working pressure of the LPG system. The reason for coating the negetive electrode in glass is glass is also a dielectric but is a poor conductor of electricity so the WFC's water bath stays isolated from any and all grounds. If the water bath has a ground in it when the EEC comes on it will sense the ground and at that point in time all you will get is standerd Faraday electronlysis so the water bath must be isolated from all grounds. Also note the VIC postive and the EEC share the positive electrode. Now the difference between this way using the EEC and the Alternator type systems is the EEC physical takes the electrons and the Aternator versions need to find a sweet spot so the a sort of EEC is created right in the water bath between the plates and electrons are consumed in creating hydrogen and oxygen in what Dr. Lindemann called a dielectric falure. The problems of reasonance with these systems is a physical problem as more gas is being physically produced less of the dielectric liquid is between the plates and the capacitance goes down as a result. The dielectic of the gas is 1 and the liquid is around 80 and the system is tempreture dependent so you might want to put the WFC in a styrefoam box to isolate it from the surronding tempreture fluxuations. That is why I think Stanley Meyer switched to the injectors for he might have had a hard time dealing with tempreture fluxuations.

I hope this helps some, and let me know if there is anything else I can do to help


h2opower.

The safty issue is present yes and the injector whould be safer then the "older" system yes. But as long as we do not have these injectors, where do we get our gas from?

Are you yourself working on these injectors and if so, how advanced whould you say they are in development?
If no on these questions - are you planing on not using water fuel until you have the injectors replicated?
...

My point is this. I whould ratter use a WFC + GP instead of waiting for the injectors. The end result whould be the same, the only difference is the safety part here - and i suspect that you are talking about flashback arrestors and lekage from fuellines, that can also be addressed.

What Meyer did and what we are doing are two different things, whould'nt you say? And since Meyer cant answer our questions, all we have is ourself to do the "dirty" work.
If you claim that you are up there whit Meyer in knowledge then i am listening - if not, put forth your knowledge and see to it that this tread and its members can move forword to as h2opower did by starting this tread.

I do not claim that what i present here works or that my theorys are correct, all i am doing is saying; "look, this is interesting and it might have i high propabilety" - that is all, and i am willing to put forth what i think i understand, and not, i do not have a succesfull replication of the WFC, GP and the injectors... but i am learning and i "teach" out what i know so fare... and if am wrong, then i am - its simple. All i am interested in is the truth, not if am right or wrong.
The spirit of a true scientist is to seek out the truth, not to seek a surten answer.

We are all students here. If we have a master among us, then let he's name be known!

[h20power]

I wanted to add I also chose glass for it shares some of the same properties of water in that it too is a dieletric liquid.


h2opower.

[UncleFester]

If you keep doing the same thing. If you keep going down the same road, expect the same results. Stans work matured. It grew up. Why do you insist on going backwards. Ask yourself, "Why did Stan have a Gas Processor?"

If you were able to make 50 liters a minute of h h o you still would be unable to fuel most automobiles. Not to mention the saftey problems. Look at Stans end game.

Stay off the h h o bandwagon. In the end Meyer's tube cell stayed on the bench.

I am not building any of these devices. Hydrogen is a waste of time in my opinion. We have electrical systems that already produce 600 times OU. Better to use the electricity directly, quietly until the movement snowballs and there is no stopping it.

If I was working on this technology again I would be working on the Injector, but this would still require many years experimentation and tens of thousands of dollars to get something in a car and viable with decent electronics to run the injectors according to timing etc. Not worth the effort unless fuel cells were already abundant and cheap.

I posting my information in order to help as much as I could. HHO is a joke when running high currents at low voltage, but the original Meyer cell was a tool to show us what is possible, that's all. But that too is most important for all of us. I can guarantee you we are all blind as to the effect, etc, there are no masters here, only students.

Most all of us have a theory, or idea how the process actually works, but even this is useless until you have built a unit and seen it produce gas above Faraday's law.

Beyond that there are many patents that are improvements over Meyer that are much more simple to build and much more straight forward in explanation. Just one of many I have posted here.

[pmazz850]

Injector

This is my injector i'm going to build. Its rather simple. Only water goes through this injector. Air will be treated seperately. The threaded end is for a spark plug nipple so i can use a sprk plug wire for hook up. I will ground the side of the injector somehow since it mounts through an o ring. The c clip locks the center rod in place. The insulator is Ultem. Its a thermoplastic. All comments are welcome.

[pmazz850]

GP

This is my GP i'm working on. The EEC is an insert that slips in the end cap. Haven't drilled out for LEDs yet. Have to finish polishing inside the tube first. The end caps are delrin and have o ring seals. Yes there purple, I couldn't find black in the size I needed.

[Oneminde]

This is my GP i'm working on. The EEC is an insert that slips in the end cap. Haven't drilled out for LEDs yet. Have to finish polishing inside the tube first. The end caps are delrin and have o ring seals. Yes there purple, I couldn't find black in the size I needed.

Have you calculated the HV field?

Are you going to do something different then h2opower or is this a replication of he's?

(nice to see that you are moving forward.)

[pmazz850]

Its not a replication, this is just my take on it. But my LEDs will mount somewhat the same. I was originally gonna mount them inside the chamber but it seems easier to drill a hole and seal it with an o ring. I haven't calculated anything yet. Just building the hardware right now. Trying to keep it simple.

[Oneminde]

Its not a replication, this is just my take on it. But my LEDs will mount somewhat the same. I was originally gonna mount them inside the chamber but it seems easier to drill a hole and seal it with an o ring. I haven't calculated anything yet. Just building the hardware right now. Trying to keep it simple.

Okey. I do not want to pick on you pmazz850, all i am aksing is how advanced your knowledge is - i suppose it is to help in the way i can.
Are you shooting in the dark or do you know what you are doing and that this will work?

I think these are important questions. As an exempel we are now devided in a group where some choose UV-C and some choose LEDs for the photon source, the HV field might be common, i'm not saying it is, only that it might - important word

Have you picked out your nm range as an exempel or are you still pondering on that?
Let me ask you this. What made you pick this solution?

[pmazz850]

I chose this solution because it makes sense. I've been researching hydrogen as a fuel source for a few years. I've built some hho cells but nothing that will run a car. I've read about all the replications of meyers. No one was able to do what he did. But what H2opower brings out in this thread makes sense. The science seems solid, and if done right, should work as stated by Meyers. I've been following the thread from the begining and decided to build the water injection system. I will use LEDs because they are cheaper. If meyers system worked with the LEDs he had back then then todays LEDs should be more then enough to do the job. I have some UV and some red I am going to try. The hardest thing for me will be the circuits. My knowledge is not very advanced but i'm not an idiot. I have learned alot of things in my research. If there is something else I have to learn, then I'll learn that too. The internet is a powerful tool.
What exactly do you mean "Have I calclated the HV field"?

[h20power]

Okey. I do not want to pick on you pmazz850, all i am aksing is how advanced your knowledge is - i suppose it is to help in the way i can.
Are you shooting in the dark or do you know what you are doing and that this will work?

I think these are important questions. As an exempel we are now devided in a group where some choose UV-C and some choose LEDs for the photon source, the HV field might be common, i'm not saying it is, only that it might - important word

Have you picked out your nm range as an exempel or are you still pondering on that?
Let me ask you this. What made you pick this solution?

One thing I would like to add as you take a look at everyone elses designs is this, that is their design and therfore their rules. No one has the right to tell anyone that someone elses design is better than anothers for this is not the way an engineering project goes. I let you look at my design and in a engineering project that is a no no, but I did so to let you see that I was not just full of hot air and was building a model too. Each team or individual is to come up with their own design and at the end of the day will preform expirements that will lead to success or failure, but they all will be great learning tools for the teams or individual designers. There is no division on what source of photonic energy you want to use there is only your idea and someone elses idea.

You have to rejoyce in the fact that many people are now taking steps to win their energy independence and the freedom that comes with it. This means that the energy revolution has indeed gotten underway and people are striving to take charge of their own destinies. Insted of trying to understand someone elses design focuse on your own, for all these showings are like little peeks into the other teams work of which you will not have an understanding of. Focuse on the goal of becoming energy independent, how anyone gets there is not important just as long as they get there in the end, agreed?

When I hear someone say that the water for fuel technology is a waste of time that someone is not a friend to the movement and should not be listined too. This technology helps mother nature clean up the water ways in which we all are guilty of poluting. And we all need to aid mother nature in anyway that we can to sustain us. We have to start cleaning up the mess that we have made so future genarations will have a clean and pure earth to call home. Right now just about every countries water ways are in need of emergency help, the fogs are all dieing, the bee's are also on there way out anlong with many other types of life on this planet. We may not have asked to be the caretakers of this planet but as it's caretakers we have done a piss poor job of it.

Getting off of fosile fuels is only the begining we have to clean up the mess we have made and not just leave it there for the next genaration to deal with. We have to start taking responsibilties for our actions and not shove them under the rug where no one can see them.

Now more than anything I would like everyone to take a stab at answering the questions I posed. Answer what you can, the first one is an easy one for all the science is there for you to just copy and paste for the most part.

Here are the questions just incase someone missed them:

How far can a car go on 1 mole of gasoline if the car gets 30 mpg given the gasoline used has an energy content of 5300 kJ/mol?

And the same question for just hho @ 286 kJ/mol( how much water will be need to be broken down to go the same distance)?

And the same question for just oxygen stripped to the 4th energy level with atomized water mist( how much water will be need to be broken down to go the same distance)?

Show your work so others can learn also.


h2opower.