Stanley Meyer Explained

[tutanka]

Well you should then be happy that I gave a class on the conservation of mass. In all of what you posted you will notice one thing, N2O is made when N + O + 1300C---> NO + O3 + sunlight ---> N2O + O2. The gas processor is going to get no where near 1300C for Alumininum melts at 660C. Just thought you should know how N2O is made other way.


Do you think GP can handle 1300 degrees C? Also notice this device doesn't have the high concentrations of Nitrogen in that is it producing the hydrogen and oxygen on demand then going straight through the gas processor, and then giving thermo explosive energy. If people would take the time to actrually read the work of Stanley Meyer they would notice these things. For his rocket retrofit uses pure oxygen and hydrogen and has thermo explosive energy (gmt) and no nitrogen is present in the system at all. Now the rocket retrofit has the highest energy content of all of the retrofits.

You have just been given a free class of how Nitrogen is not apart of the combustable reaction in Stanley Meyer's system and is not apart of the gmt. I hope you see the value of the free edjucation you just recieved .


h2opower.

H2OPOWER,
N2O isn't created inside gas processor but inside injector.. Inside gas processor you create only NITROGEN ATOMIC WITHOUT OXYGEN an send to injector. Nitrogen atomic is use as catalyzed when mixed with water mist. About N+O+HV=N2O is the same reverse reaction of N2O+HV=O+N2 and how you can see N2O is obtain when NO pass trought HV field of injector, you can read it to Nitrogen oxides - Google Böcker at page 23. You are focalized only on oxygen but is nitrogen atomic responsible of split water and creation of N2O for thermal explosive energy. Not all is written on patents..

[bussi04]

Thanks Bussi004,
For I spent a lot of time with that summary and it seems the Italians have hardened their positions.
...

we all should know that new issues arise as soon as things get practical! from my point of view there is no more necessity for (endless) theoretical dispute concerning N or general terms. that´s done.

designing, building, testing, analysis and redesigning from experience is the only way to progress from now to a working system.

the first prototype will give answers to many outstanding questions.

your - h20power´s - theoretical base will then be enriched by detailed prototype results from the community and then there will be a setup for people to reengineer their individual solutions.

for straight structure it maybe useful to open a second thread "stanley meyer - prototype results" with links from here.

greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

H2OPOWER,
N2O isn't created inside gas processor but inside injector.. Inside gas processor you create only NITROGEN ATOMIC WITHOUT OXYGEN an send to injector. Nitrogen atomic is use as catalyzed when mixed with water mist. About N+O+HV=N2O is the same reverse reaction of N2O+HV=O+N2 and how you can see N2O is obtain when NO pass trought HV field of injector. You are focalized only on oxygen but is nitrogen atomic responsible of split water and creation of N2O for thermal explosive energy. Not all is written on patents..

Make your own thread and stop trying to run mine, no one reading this gives a **** of your thoughts on this. The injectors work to break the bonds of the water molecule the way I said they work by way of capacitance and the phase diagram of water. Nitrogen combines with Oxygen to form N2O as I have already shown. Right now you and your friend are enemies of the water for fuel revolution, with you great concern for NOS systems you need the gasoline systems in place right now to keep up and running.

Why keep pestering the energy revolution in this thread? I have already shown in great detail if you care to read SM's work that Nitrogen is not a player in gmt. The gas gun has no processed air running through it only hydrogen and oxygen. The rocket retrofits have no Nitrogen in the system what so ever.

What you need to do right now is Apologize to all you have tried to misslead for not doing your homework before coming off as if you had some well throught out theory that was worth something, and truned out to be worthless. You wouldn't give any numbers for anyone to work with and that made me have to go in and do the numbers for you, but hell will freeze over first before I show you the numbers I came up with.

You need to Apologize! but I know you wont for it's not in your charictor, but please make your own thread and leave this one, for you are not welcome here anymore. If I could block you from reading it I would. So do us all a favor and make your own thread and stop trying to tell me I am wrong at every corner. So Apologize to the group and start your own thread. And I Apologize to you for treating you in such a manor, but since you only know how to attack what choice did you leave me? This technology is ment to free humanity and that is bigger than you or me.

I put my best foot forwards here and you spit in my face as if I am trying to misslead everyone into a world run by the current energy sellers of the world as if I am on their payrole. So please, Apologize to the group and make your own thread.

I Apologize to the group if I offended anyone with my actions and/or words in this post.

h2opower.

[sebosfato]

H2o you should read this Insulating gases
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Reading this and understanding your gas processor must work under pressure you will see that 1300° is the arc temperature obviously the all air wont get that hot.

This makes clear as water that meyer used collision (he also indicated the Tay he patent to left it uncovered in the patent) as tutanka and I said he didn't put everything on the patents. I think is not a good idea to ignore tutanka and what he has to say I listen to what he have to say digest and aways understand what he means. Every thing one say that you don't really know you should hear and learn or at least think very well about it.

If you read my thread and see what tron wrote you will understand what means counter productivity.

There is a paper called International Independent Test Evaluation Report where meyer explain that on the water you already have at least 10% nitrogen diluted. and thats why he says water is only 2,5 times stronger than gasoline instead of 3x.

Visit my thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html Lets discuss about collision, work function of metals, surface potential barrier... I invite you guys if you are serious and if you don't want to be the best of the bests, Is not needed and counter productive what we need is to understand and work on the calculation found on this links upstairs.

[Joit]

I feel very comfort here, when i read through, what h2power writes about Stan Meyer.
It sounds more logical then anything other else.
But not, for the rest of the confusing Post,
what is trowing in here, and what are obvious Attempts to missleading from Stan Meyers Work.
I think, if i wanna have a logical Thread, i have to put a lot Posts at the ignore List.

[Oneminde]

@ Sebosfato

[h20power]

I feel very comfort here, when i read through, what h2power writes about Stan Meyer.
It sounds more logical then anything other else.
But not, for the rest of the confusing Post,
what is trowing in here, and what are obvious Attempts to missleading from Stan Meyers Work.
I think, if i wanna have a logical Thread, i have to put a lot Posts at the ignore List.

Thanks I too will put them on the ingore list so the work flows freely again. One has his own thread, the other needs to make his own thread, and yet one more needs to follow their threads since he doesn't like mine.

I will start going over what I mean when I say to follow the rules soon, okay everyone? Let me get the list made first so from this point forwards if you are not getting responces from me you have been put on the ingore list.


h2opower.

[Joit]

Sure ok by me. Just dont expect a lot input from me :/
That Area here is not my best one, but i know few Peoples,
what work right now with and around HHO, and even Stan Meyer,
and it will be a big Help for them, when they can have a rebuilded System.

Anyone else, who work at it different or simialar can make a different Thread,
with his View of it. Pretty simple actually.

[h20power]

I will now go over the VIC transformer.

In this picture all that is shown is how many individual coils are there in the VIC transformer. You will note that I changed the bobbin design for easyer winding since I have to do these by hand.

Now in following the rules all coils have to have the same inductances or as close as you can get to the same. Reason, when the primary reaches resonance all the other coils will also reach resonance and when you go to drive the transformer you will not have any of the coils out of resonance causing it to draw too much current and burn up. I learned that the hard way.

Now looking at this drawing we have to break down all of Stanley Meyer's words as to what they more than likely mean in his mind:

Dual primary coil bidirectional wraped = One bifilar coil cross wraped two layers. For the only way to get two primary coils is to have it be wraped with bifilar wires, and the word bidirectional means cross wraped.

Dual resonante coils means there are two layers of the bifilar wraped coils. Depending on the use one layer, the second, is made of copper, and the first layer is going to be copper for space gaps larger than .06 inches and 430 SS wire for space gaps between .01-.06 inches.

To get all the coils to be the same inductances the wire sizes chosen is important. For there seems to be a mass relationship as far as from what I have noticed.

The secondary can be up for debate as for being made from a single wire or a bidirectional wire. I make mine from bifilar wire as shown in figure 8-11 in the SMTB. In this no one has to follow me for I am mixing different parts of Meyer's work.

When measureing the individual coils you only measure one wire and not a bifilar wire hooked up to go back into itself. Also note that the first choke coil spot is for the pic up coil for the pll circuit all others for for the chokes so you have all coils on one core. Also all coils are wraped in the same direction so the magenetic fields add to each other. In the all copper VIC the first and second chokes do not have a break in the wire. The wire is run straight back and the second choke is wound right on top of the first choke.

When measuring these for matched inductances you have to make one of each bobbin for the number count that will be on all bobbins for the coil measured. That way you get proper count for each coil set in it's bobbin cavity. Let me know if that makes sense or not, okay?


h2opower.

[boguslaw]

I will now go over the VIC transformer.

In this picture all that is shown is how many individual coils are there in the VIC transformer. You will note that I changed the bobbin design for easyer winding since I have to do these by hand.

Now in following the rules all coils have to have the same inductances or as close as you can get to the same. Reason, when the primary reaches resonance all the other coils will also reach resonance and when you go to drive the transformer you will not have any of the coils out of resonance causing it to draw too much current and burn up. I learned that the hard way.

Now looking at this drawing we have to break down all of Stanley Meyer's words as to what they more than likely mean in his mind:

Dual primary coil bidirectional wraped = One bifilar coil cross wraped two layers. For the only way to get two primary coils is to have it be wraped with bifilar wires, and the word bidirectional means cross wraped.

Dual resonante coils means there are two layers of the bifilar wraped coils. Depending on the use one layer, the second, is made of copper, and the first layer is going to be copper for space gaps larger than .06 inches and 430 SS wire for space gaps between .01-.06 inches.

To get all the coils to be the same inductances the wire sizes chosen is important. For there seems to be a mass relationship as far as from what I have noticed.

The secondary can be up for debate as for being made from a single wire or a bidirectional wire. I make mine from bifilar wire as shown in figure 8-11 in the SMTB. In this no one has to follow me for I am mixing different parts of Meyer's work.

When measureing the individual coils you only measure one wire and not a bifilar wire hooked up to go back into itself. Also note that the first choke coil spot is for the pic up coil for the pll circuit all others for for the chokes so you have all coils on one core. Also all coils are wraped in the same direction so the magenetic fields add to each other. In the all copper VIC the first and second chokes do not have a break in the wire. The wire is run straight back and the second choke is wound right on top of the first choke.

When measuring these for matched inductances you have to make one of each bobbin for the number count that will be on all bobbins for the coil measured. That way you get proper count for each coil set in it's bobbin cavity. Let me know if that makes sense or not, okay?


h2opower.

For me there are couple of problems with SM picture:
1.Dual primary coil bidirectional wrapped - he didn't said bifilar ,maybe there is another coil arrangement which complies with that picture ?
2. The connection between secondary pickup coils and resonant coils - it's not clear at all. I suppose only that pickup coils may be wound first , then connected to resonant coils in the center bobbin however picture does not explain it and show rather one wire connection between pickup and resonant coils

So far so good. Good work h2opower

[h20power]

That is just my translation of his words. Dual meaning two, right, so the only way to get two primary coils is to use bifilar wire hooked up like this:

Plus a bifilar wired coil has way more advatages than one wound with a single wire.

My thinking as to why he was so vague was to hide the technology, show only what was needed to show but leave enough out so no one would steal his work.

I wire it up just as the simple diagrams show in the patent.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

Make your own thread and stop trying to run mine, no one reading this gives a **** of your thoughts on this. The injectors work to break the bonds of the water molecule the way I said they work by way of capacitance and the phase diagram of water. Nitrogen combines with Oxygen to form N2O as I have already shown. Right now you and your friend are enemies of the water for fuel revolution, with you great concern for NOS systems you need the gasoline systems in place right now to keep up and running.

Why keep pestering the energy revolution in this thread? I have already shown in great detail if you care to read SM's work that Nitrogen is not a player in gmt. The gas gun has no processed air running through it only hydrogen and oxygen. The rocket retrofits have no Nitrogen in the system what so ever.

What you need to do right now is Apologize to all you have tried to misslead for not doing your homework before coming off as if you had some well throught out theory that was worth something, and truned out to be worthless. You wouldn't give any numbers for anyone to work with and that made me have to go in and do the numbers for you, but hell will freeze over first before I show you the numbers I came up with.
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You need to Apologize! but I know you wont for it's not in your charictor, but please make your own thread and leave this one, for you are not welcome here anymore. If I could block you from reading it I would. So do us all a favor and make your own thread and stop trying to tell me I am wrong at every corner. So Apologize to the group and start your own thread. And I Apologize to you for treating you in such a manor, but since you only know how to attack what choice did you leave me? This technology is ment to free humanity and that is bigger than you or me.

I put my best foot forwards here and you spit in my face as if I am trying to misslead everyone into a world run by the current energy sellers of the world as if I am on their payrole. So please, Apologize to the group and make your own thread.

I Apologize to the group if I offended anyone with my actions and/or words in this post.

h2opower.

You continue to reply me words without sense and not reply to my answer logically. Ok.. stop to write here but don't for you but only because don't have sense continue to write in an illogical thread. However I'm very curious when you finish your replication based on meyer patents for to see if work as aspected.. or not...

[Joit]

Thanks again h2opower. I did look for this Picture quite a while.

[h20power]

Now this is an example of what the word bidirectional wrap means and what it looks like noteing wrap no. 1 and wrap no. 2. Since I couldn't find a meaning for this word Stanley Meyer used I started looking in every patent for it and found it. I was just not comfortable building these VIC transformers not knowing what the word bidirectional wraped ment so I pulled an two nighter in looking for what this word meant, no sleep.

When it comes to some of the rules I speak of the first one is to read all of his patents everyone of them. Second, start making a definition of terms so you know what Meyer's means with some of his wording. Example, amp leakage, for Meyer's it means arcing between the voltage zones. You will find a lot of words that do not mean the same thing if looked up in the dictionary.

This is most of the circuit I am working from:


What is missing is the EEC, LED array, veriable voltage control, and RPM, Pressure sensor, and other engine managment systems input to control the unit as a whole.


h2opower.

[bussi04]

H20power link #1018

Variable voltage control:
I´m not quite sure if you need a variable power supply 0-50V 3A for the VIC pulsed primary input line. If so I have the following solution in mind:
Regulated power supply -
As a substitute for the regulation of any variable available power supply (regulated by potentiometer) you can take attatched Xicor Nonvolatile Digital Potentiometer X9C10x. It´s a digitally controllable resistor array.
If you don´t have a power supply 0-50 Volts with amp regulation the attached circuit diagram (pic bu001) might be useful. I can describe it further if people are interested.
It´s a linear regulation, maybe a switched mode supply could be more useful in case of low Voltage high Amps.

Query: how fast has the change in voltage to take place? If the change must happen within a pulse train sequence then a very fast regulation must take place. No conventional PS gets that right.

Engine management system:
I would suggest to use a microcontroller from Atmel (Atmel Products - Microcontrollers - AVR® 8-Bit RISC - picoPower Technology. It´s cheap, versatile, has several bus communication systems and can be programmed in basic (no need for assembler, but of course possible). A low cost development system STK 500 for PC is available.
KISS art 2009

EEC/LED:
I will start at a VIC/EEC/LED pulsing frequency of 40.8 kHz because this is a proton resonance frequence. Voltages and photon injections at that resonance frequency should have a very strong impact on the atom (theoretical background Global-Scaling Institute | Home).

Timing diagrams:
I would suggest to create timing diagrams for the whole system. That makes it easier to compare different solution and to set up an overall control.

Query according to VIC:
In my attatchment (bu003) I have enumerated those slices from 1 to 14.
They seem to be different in size: 14, 13, 11, 7 ,3 seem to be smaller than the other slices. Is it intended or not?
While you are describing bobbin 1 and bobbin 2 there seem to be 3 bobbins (a, b, c)?
Because I´m not native English speaker: are these slices (d) the “pancake style bobbins” and are they called bobbin cavities?
Up yet I only found a distributor for delrin rods, no tubes. And I didn´t get any hint for a bifilar wire distributor.

Greetings,
Bussi04