Stanley Meyer Explained

[tutanka]

HI to all,
Can you explain me how EEC is positioned in this image? I don't see anything only an suspected air ionizer.. This GP work in conjunction with WFC and non-combustible gas how you can see.. injector is new meyer concept.. but I think GP is every the same.. not changes.. I'm waiting your reply..

[h20power]

So now that everyone sees how it will work, that I have shown mathmatically, once the circuit is completed, we all will be become energy independent.
The gas processor that I designed is set up that way. Negetive outer chamber round and highly polished, positive inner chamber highly polished, LEDs coherent light aimed at the positive round surface. The coherent light will be refracted around the chamber many times in a attempt to fully startuate the chamber with coherent light. The coherent lights wavelengths was chosen for energy absorbtion with the oxygen atom. The Mcd of the 410 nm is 10,000, the 634 nm 23, 000, and the white light 50,000, so now does anyone think it will not work Now Stanley Meyers choice in LEDs came no where near the output of these LEDs for they just didn't exist back then. Hopefully now everyone will see that no one has been sucessful with Stanley Meyers work is directly related to them not building the gas processor or electron extraction circuit plus the electronics to go along with them which is the whole purpose of this thread to share that much needed information to everyone free of charge. For like Dr. Lindemann I also belive the only way any of us are going to see this technology is for it to be given away, and since I saw no one doing that I stepped up to the plate and did the right thing.

Now the two images show the negetive, positive, and EEC mesh that is perpendicular to the air flow to make sure no electrons go with the air flowing towards the combustion chamber. The reason is most seem to forget that the air is flowing through the gas processor as a rate of 32ft/sec and increases with increased engine RPM. The black stips are for the LEDs as they needed to be protected from the high voltage potential of the voltage zone due to they can only handle around 3k volts and the system is designed for a 60k volt max before the air break down voltage is reached. I have seen the designs of others and they too look like they did their homework.

Everything I put out has science backing it up. There is no magic left towards how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a source of fuel and that is the way I intended it to be. Enjoy,


h2opower.

[NewGuy]

Ive read through this thread and must have missed the math for obtainning the diameter of the GP, sorry to ask but could you post that equation again?Ive asked my optometris a little about light and how they bounce it around but if there is an equation for getting it right would be nice.Ya never know unless ya ask .... but is there an equation for determainning how long it takes for this GP and air gas to do what its soppose to do?How will you know if you have it right, how will you determain that?If you'd rather me read more , I understand.

[itzon]

Back to the Gas Processor....

It seems to me, after finding Meyers statements about electron cascade in his patent, posting the answers I obtained from someone working at NIST.GOV proved the wavelengths used to excite the oxygen atoms are lower than 200nm, which is about as far as LED's go. I don't think the LED's excited the Oxygen atoms. I believe Sebosfato is right when he says the needed wavelength would be in the X ray range. (Perhaps it is why Herman Andersons car had an ionization tube which had to be shielded from the X ray radiation it produced).

HMS-776, this is comparing apples to oranges.

The effect of applying a pulse of "light"(wavelength economically available at his time=infrared) while pulsing a high voltage field AND it is happening in a vacuum is not the same as just applying UV to the oxygen molecule under ambient conditions.

This is the genius idea of Meyer, combining all of these conditions at the same moment.

If anyone has a link to a study or paper of at least two of these conditions(pulsed high voltage, UV, or vacuum) occurring at the same time, it would help all of us.

Uhhh, wait a minute, I think one publication may be called "The Birth of a New Technology" written by Stanley Meyer.


Does anyone have a paper copy of The Birth of a New Technology?

I have my suspicions that my downloaded copy has been altered in one way or another. Stan's videos are pretty easy to comprehend, unlike the "tech brief".

Itzon

[h20power]

Ive read through this thread and must have missed the math for obtainning the diameter of the GP, sorry to ask but could you post that equation again?Ive asked my optometris a little about light and how they bounce it around but if there is an equation for getting it right would be nice.Ya never know unless ya ask .... but is there an equation for determainning how long it takes for this GP and air gas to do what its soppose to do?How will you know if you have it right, how will you determain that?If you'd rather me read more , I understand.

The math I did on the diameter of the tube was based on the air intake needs of the engine:
vi = qi / Ai = qi / (π di2) = qi / (h) {( 2 * pi * radius * height)}

where

vi = air velocity (ft/sec)

qi = air flow (cfs)

Ai = area of tube (square feet)

di = diameter of tube (inches)

pi = 3.14

h = height

The needs of the car depend on the make and model and you will have to look that up. Like I said before you don't want to have the car suck air through a straw. But I never posted this math for it seems easy to look up and find this information on the internet, part of ask and answering ones own questions.

As far as the light boncing around, those are complexe angles for the light of the LEDs is coherent light meaning in striaght path, and the refleting surfaces are curves making the model for calculation for a computer program. If I do it by hand I will get some of them but no where near all of them. The angles maybe around 120 to 3 it's hard to say for everytime it bounces from a curved surface to a curve surface the angle changes. But as long as you design the unit so the light path is straight the light source is straight and a sort of infinity situation takes place, but the light strength degrades with distance of travel and absorbtion into the atoms.

The pulsing rate is very important for it give you more chances to strip the atoms the faster you pulse it, the LEDs are the limiting factor in the pulsing train due to rise and fall times. How will I know if I have it right is going to be done the old fassion way, through expirementation observing the results, and making new predictions after the results are in.

Hope that helped some,

h2opower.

[NewGuy]

thanks h20power....... i remember when tang was a fuss lol looks like ford is getting some kinda laser distributor.

[chasson321]

Photon bombardment is 180 degrees of the pulsing

[/B]

That's good information Aaron, shows the speed of things going on in these reactions.

One thing I have notice in my research is that Oxygen can't be stripped of electrons from the ground state too the lowest in one hit, it has to be done in stages. But the good thing is for oxygen it only takes .98 eV to push it up a level. Hydrogen, on the otherhand, takes 13.6 eV to push it up to the next level so you really have to focuse your energies well when it comes to hydrogen.

Now everything is going to be in percentages, we have to design it in a way that has the best percentages of conversion. I also see no harm in putting two gas processors back to back. But when designing for one for the incoming air and one for the hho, the two will not be made the same. One will have its primary focuse on stripping Oxygen and the other will have it's primary focuse on stripping Hydrogen. Being that Oxygen has more than 73 wavelengths at which to bombard it with the Gas Processor ment for Hydrogen will convert some of the Oxygen as well, just not as high in percentages as the one built for Oxygen will.

Another thing that helps us is the technology on LEDs has advanced much since the time when Meyer used them. From what I can tell they are about 20 to 30 times as bright as the ones Meyer had to use in his day. Hitting these things at the right wavelengths is a must. I thought about using white light LEDs, kinda throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it aproach, but I decided to try and match the atoms. Now Meyer didn't have white LEDs to use in his time, for even though they did exist back then they weren't really on the market for sell until 2003 I think. So, if we do our homework we can make a Gas Processor that Meyer would be proud of.

Photon bombardment is 180 degrees of the pulsing of the high voltage field and the electron extraction circuit pulses with the LEDs. Remember the idea is to strip as many electrons as you can from the incoming gases. The time it will stay for Oxygen is about .74 sec's but that is plenty of time when you think about the gas speeds inside of the intake system. Meyer says in the patent if you want higher conversion rates you have to increase the frequency to 50k Hz and above. But with the advances in LEDs we have a lot more photons to bombard the atoms with than Meyer did so we should out do him easily. Also note it takes cohernt light not defusied light to effect the atoms.

Best Regards,
h2opower.

The mystery is how you think you can replicate meyer projects with 100$
Being on the wrong track.

Anyway in my thread you have more info as i said,

For example from what i read from you, you're trying to put inject the photons 180° de-phased with voltage which is completely wrong.

The quote was, "Photon bombardment is 180 degrees of the pulsing". Think about this. The VIC works on the off pulse not the on pulse.

Think about what this means.

[sebosfato]

I'll leave it up to you think about, and explain why the bombardment should happen this way.

If Lc resonance must be tuned as i described here and on my thread, and as electrons are knocked at the speed of light from the electrodes. Now i ask you what voltage potential you should see on the anode when laser is bombarded?
Why ?
at resonance current should be 180 de-phased with voltage so from your current feed back should come the signal to drive the laser and it must be in phase with the current so the same signal from the feed back of the pll. Eventually there must be the need to adjust the phase of 90° using integrators.

[sebosfato]

Hello hello hello is there anybody in there.

I really like this thread and as such here i show you very good info.
PhET Photoelectric Effect - Light, Quantum Mechanics, Photons, Electrons

Here is my thread link for those who still believe is possible
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html


@ tutanka you can see on the figure 3-30 of you see he wrote on the left producing electricity.

[Oneminde]

Hello hello hello is there anybody in there.

I really like this thread and as such here i show you very good info.
PhET Photoelectric Effect - Light, Quantum Mechanics, Photons, Electrons

Here is my thread link for those who still believe is possible
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html


@ tutanka you can see on the figure 3-30 of you see he wrote on the left producing electricity.

Figure 3-30 Electron Ejection... page 3-42!

[h20power]

Now this is the information I have gotten so far on figure 4 as to what the items are:

• A22 = 7808

• Q4&5 = TRANS NPN DARL 100V 10A TO-247

• LM1558, LM324 is a quad op amp, both can replace the 741's, A23, A24, and A25

Now P3 & P4 I don't have an idea of their values as of yet nor the capacitors being used.

I will make a guess if I have to but those out there that can give a hand please do so for now is the time.


h2opower.

[TRON]

EEC is a Simple Electron Gun with collector grid

take into account that the GP is an electron gun

those 4 coils of wire at each end, 2 on one end and 2 on the other act as accelerators for the free electrons that tend to hang around due to the high static potential.

during the OFF pulse on the HV anode and kathode, you put in a 12VDC pulse to the LED's AND the COILS of wire to shoot the electrons into the Extraction Mesh Grid before they have a chance to re-stabilize the ambient air. that also happens to be the time period where the opto relay is closed for the path through the consuming device straight to battery+

then the next HV pulse starts again... etc

What happens when you wrap 4 coils of wire at the two ends of a toilet paper tube and insert a rod of iron inside... thats the direction that the electrons will travel...just like a solenoid plunger..

working on schematics and PC boards right now, figuring out the entire circuit with modern day parts to post soon...

[HMS-776]

It still seems to me that there are two possible ways of making the GP work correctly.

Stan mentions in his patent that the Atoms are ionized and excited using electric fields to induce resonance into the electron, as well as photon absorbtion, which increases the electron energy in cascading steps.


But, on the other hand the Photoelectric effect and the Electron Avalanche seem to also be very plausable. After all, if anyone here does just a small amount of research on the topic you'll find the following to be true:

-Atoms can be excited by bombardment with electrons (Collision Excitation)
-The energy is transferred from the electrons to the atoms in discrete amounts.....

It also seems that the energy of the electron is related to it's velocity, which is in direct relation to the voltage...


Just some notes to think about....

[h20power]

Now it looks like P3 = 10k and P4 = 1k and the resistores perhaps 20k and 5k respectively. Still doing my research into it but that seems okay for a try I think, but I will wait for Tron.


h2opower.

[bussi04]

component values

Now it looks like P3 = 10k and P4 = 1k and the resistores perhaps 20k and 5k respectively. Still doing my research into it but that seems okay for a try I think, but I will wait for Tron.


h2opower.

C1 = 100 µF (for smoothing voltage, non critical value) and paralleel 0.1µF (for consuming ripple, non critical value)
C2 = 1000 µF (smoothening input voltage for A22=7808, non critical value)
C3 = 10-100 µF bipolar electrolyte (spikes of negative voltage expected when primary coil voltage is switched off by puse train signal), parameters: impedance/resistance of primary coil, timing for voltage changes (higher capacity slows down voltage changes of variable primary input coil voltage)

For C4 and the resistor values I have to look into the OPAMP-book. Stay tuned!

A25 is a 1:1 amplifier from input voltage to output voltage = voltage follower (decoupling low amp input voltage).

VDD seems to be the voltage supply for the OPAMPS. Due to the 7808 voltage regulator (+8V regulated) the output voltages of the OPAMPs are presetted to change around a "virtual input ground" of the OPAMPs at +4V.

greetings,
bussi04