Stanley Meyer Explained

[boguslaw]

Imagine simple Tesla disruptive discharge circuit : a capacitor and spark gap . In working circuit just after spark gap there is nothing except insulated plates on each line. They are not connected together, no closed path. Now high frequency Tesla currents flow on surface , they are longitudinal waves bouncing on wire end - insulated plate which is a capacitor for them (storing charge on surface).

Imagine you can adjust those waves in one branch to shift phase for example 90 degrees by using a coil of other device generating slight delay. The charge on terminal capacitor on that branch is now opposite to the charge of other branch because waves are opposite at each moment.
You have a potential difference, huge difference.You have WFC.Just put plates closer, fill gap with water and see reaction.

You see ? No current flow throught the water,quite oppositely - electrons are dislodged from water.Is it a capacitor ? Kind of, yes. But not in common sense (electronic sense).

It is so hard to explain when nobody is willing to listen... You can say it 1000 times and yet somebody will pop up with Ohm law or RLC resonance

[Guest]

@Boguslaw, it is not that simple. What you are talking about is the steam resonator where you change phases, in this case you never get electrons. Longitudinal waves yes, that is true but how you interpret their working is very different from my picture.

There are different pulse methods and the WFC means pulsing HF, HV unipulses into the waterbath, that is when you convert neutrinos(Meyl - scalar waves) into electrons in the waterbath. HHO IS NEGATIVELY CHARGED. The other method is a different matter.

[wwdotme]

I can't get the k-9 passage links to open

[h20power]

Your Wellcome

The reason I didn't tell how to build the Gas Processor is simple, in all of my engineering classes in college we would be given a set of rules and a goal to accomplish. At the end of the time frame give to us, each and every team would have a working model that met the goals we were given, but each of our solutions would be very different to one anothers. That is what I am looking for, many different solutions that all work to accomplish our goal of making water a fuel source.

I will look and see if I have anymore information, but I think I posted everything.


h2opower.

thank you h20power for the attached document! i've been looking for information like that and have not been able to find it. mine prototype is coming along slowly, but it will get there! thanks again for all your help! also, ANTIQUER, do you have, can you get any more information about this?

[h20power]

It is hard for people to except that the hho cell is not needed, ie water fuel capacitor(WFC), and/or any other type of water splitting device that is in direct or indirect contact with the water. For the most part they just don't understand the math that was given to them, and are still looking for some form of magic. The whole process is very simple; postively charged and atomized water mist, processed air gases, and recirculated exhaust gases, and that is it. It took me a long time to finally understand just what Stanley Meyer had done, and once I learned the truth I decided to share it with the world here on this site.

Now it is known just where the energy is coming from, no magic, no zero point energy, no energy from the vacuum. People are having a very hard time accepting this for they have been at it a long time, and spent a fare amount of money trying to figure out what Stanley Meyer did. If people would just take the time to go over the math and understand what they have just went over they would know that Stanley Meyer technology has been finally solved.

It is going to take some time getting use to the idea of what the Gas Processor and electron extraction circuit are really doing. And many, just will not understand it even when shown a working model. Since they can't get past the math, a working model will look like a magic show to them.

Energy independence is everyones right to have, and this was done the right way given to humanity as a gift, enjoy


h2opower.

Hi H20power;

Thought you and some others would be interested in this and 5 other posts like it on Waterfuel78 this p.m.

Hugh and Tim,
Yuo both have abit of it right and some misobservations.
A little over a year ago, I was approached by a man who worked very
closely with Stan on his injector project. (from october 88 to
september96) stan sent him plans and this person outsourced the
machine shop operations and procured the parts to assemble the
injectors, then sent them when completed to Stan in ohio. I have over
1000 pages of development diagrams and have been stuyding them over
the course of the year past. The reason this individual trusts me is
because of my background in nucleonics and quantum physics. I have
determined by analysys that I can help with this:
1. one port on the injector base about 3 inchs from the bottom
discharge port. This seems to be for the introduction of r.o. water.
This evident after consulting with some of the inveters I spoke
with, having obseved Stan charge the water before use in the buggy.
2. Tim, you are correct in assuming that no water was flushed thru
the processor chamber. It was the effluent from the combustion
process that Stan explains in his new zealnd lecture set on yutube.
He used the flash steam from the combustion process over and over
contiouly to form a cyclonic idle process. He used a waste gate to
control decelleration and used the injection process to accellorate
with.
I have made several improvements over Stan's processes in that
seperation of the elements is essential to the success of burning a
gaseous water and ambient air mixture in a combustion chamber of an
ICE.The way Stan designed his Injector doesn't allow for brine
buildup in the discharge port .He used stainless 304 for the
electrodes and the base, angled to create a waveguide at the
discharge port. The water was aspirated into the combustion chamber
surrounding the electrode,this wets the electrode, damping the action
of the spark gap.This is what he meant when he said he had a way of
damping the GMT force so as to not destroy the engine components.
I have designed sparkgaps using tungsten electrodes that I purchased
rather cheaply thru Harbourfrieght.com - harborfreight tools Resources and Information. (5/12$usd).I also use
MACOR like stan. This stuff is not cheap(82$/ft).If someone has a
working alternatve, please let us know.
I will release a writeup soon , but as I am handicapped, it takes me
a while to accomplish these tasks at hand. Artinvegas...

--- In WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <chasson321@...> wrote:
>
> Hugh,
>
> The Gas Processor does not use water. It uses air. Check the
> patents and you will find the injector has three ports. One for
> water, ionized gas - from the gas processor, and non-combustable
gas
> from exhaust gas.
>
> The Gas Processor raises the level of the oxygen from ambient air.
>
>
> --- In WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh" <scriabini@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Smack for the 'food for thought.'
> >
> > H2Opower has laid out a lengthy hypothesis that is partially
> correct.
> >
> > But, in order to produce the intense, high voltage, resonant
> electric
> > field that is necessary to the Meyer process, the plates
> (electrodes)
> > of the electrolyzer must not be in direct contact with the water.
> > They must either be insulated with a thin layer of high strength
> > dielectric, or the plates may be mounted on the outside of a
> > non-conductive container.
>


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[Aromaz]

Stan Meyer Equipment

The complete Stan Meyer buggy, drawings, notes, experiments and all equipment are in the hands of the Orion Project since December 2007 - at least. They bought it only for US$ 120,000.

Now, if this was working so well, I do not understand why all our cars are not
running on water yet?

Something wrong?

[Sharyn]

Stan Meyer Equipment

The answer may lie in the fact The Orion Project have not actually got the equipment yet, Aromaz.

In the last week's program (Feb 13th) on World Puja Dr Steven Greer said that they were almost ready to get the Stan Meyer equipment & that it had taken them many more months than they had expected.

He also said that as a result of them presenting the programs on World Puja one of the people who had originally worked with Stan Meyers has come forward & is now going to be working with them on the Orion Project in this area.



Love, Light & Blessings
Sharyn

[h20power]

Energy independence for humanity.

In this post I have already shown that the key to Stanley Meyer technology is the Gas Processor and the electron extraction circuit. No need to wait for the Orion Project, for all the undstanding of where the energy is really coming from has already been explained.

The big question of, "How Stanley Meyer ran a 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?" has been answered. It has been posted here for all to have and become energy independent for energy independence is the right of all that live on this planet not for just those that can aford it.


h2opower.

[Guest]

Agree H2OPower(Oxygen is positive ion, HHO is negative ion - mix it and you get the power) but I have to add some facts. Ie the parts needed to run an ICE is WFC, EEC, water spark injectors and the laser priming(maybe not needed but helpful). The distributor, mixer electrostatic filter are needed etc.

Anyway the VIC is the key to success, the rest are machanical challenges apart from the steam resonator.

Well as anyone can see it is a massive project to finish.... I sincerely believe any company would need several years getting it right. Stan Meyer - respect.

About Orion I am not very convinced an old Stan Meyer associate will be very helpful, if he was he would have accomplished something during 10-15 years after Meyerīs death.

[rdmwc]

has anyone noticed that the diagrams of his technology never really changed in the showing of the wfc and the injector? with this said, when i was messing with the wfc it occured to me that maybe i could have one individual tube set for each cylinder and somehow have it connected to each cylinder. with that thought running in my head i went back to trying to find more info on the stan meyer technology. in my thinking each injector IS ITS OWN WFC. each injector is a tube set. so when h20power says that the wfc is not needed, it isnt! because the injector once built proplerly, acts as its own wfc. now back to my first comment. notice the diagram shows the VIC is connected to the injector same as its connected to the wfc.
Gauss: i agree the VIC is going to be the most challenging piece to produce for many of us! and i believe it too is partially the key to success with this technology. for without the highvoltage, low current highfrequency pulses, the gas processor wont be nearly as effective. now, i can build about anything that this requires, but im lacking in the electronics aspect. i would love to learn, but that takes time, and will come with time. but is there anyone here that could help with the re-production of the VIC?

[boguslaw]

I has nothing to do with electronic!

[h20power]

Agree H2OPower(Oxygen is positive ion, HHO is negative ion - mix it and you get the power) but I have to add some facts. Ie the parts needed to run an ICE is WFC, EEC, water spark injectors and the laser priming(maybe not needed but helpful). The distributor, mixer electrostatic filter are needed etc.

Anyway the VIC is the key to success, the rest are machanical challenges apart from the steam resonator.

Well as anyone can see it is a massive project to finish.... I sincerely believe any company would need several years getting it right. Stan Meyer - respect.

About Orion I am not very convinced an old Stan Meyer associate will be very helpful, if he was he would have accomplished something during 10-15 years after Meyerīs death.

Gauss all that is needed is atomized water mist that has been given a positive charge, ionized oxygen atoms, and recirculated exhuast gases. The WFC is not needed. The job of Stanley Meyer's injectors was to give the water mist a positive charge, and to bypass any vehical's fuel system. The steam resonators job is to keep the water at near boiling point aproximently 90 degrees same as in the video show here: water manipulation motor - Google Video

The VIC is just a transformer there is no magic in it, it is just a type of transformer that is not commonly built it relies on capacitive reactance too develope its high voltage same as in some of the police zap guns. The blocking diodes job is to double the voltage in the capacitors voltage zones since the Gas Processor is also a capacitor. The electron extraction ciruict provides a postive mesh screen positioned just after the gas processors voltage zone and consumes the freshly stripped electrons before they can form ozone, remember like charges repel and unlike charges attract. The mesh screen is positive and the electrons are negetive, the intake systems gas speeds take care of the rest.

It is the oxygen that is breaking down the water molecule. We all know that it takes 1836kJ/mol to break the bonds of the water molecule, right? The oxygen has been stripped of electrons, and in Stanley Meyer's case, to it's fourth ionization level that has an energy content of 7469.2 kJ/mol. This is far more energy needed to break the bonds of the water molecule. Everyone keeps looking for some form of magic when there is none.

Since Meyer says he used the 4th energy level or lower lets look at that reaction.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol.
Can you see the reaction now? In the reaction just shown the energy to break the bonds of the water molecule has been subtracted(1836kJ/mol) from the energy content of the ionized oxygen atoms. These are energy content calculations, and it is good to note that gasoline has an energy content of 4864kJ/mol. This is how Stanley Meyer was able to run an 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.. The energy content is greater than that of gasoline, more than 1.3 times greater.

The injectors are not what they appear to be, they are giving the water mist a positive charge and mixing that water mist with ionized air gases and recirculate exhaust gases, then spark ignited. Again no magic here just a simple ionic reaction taking place. I am not going to let someone come in here and give information that will not work. I put science and math to the works of Stanley Meyer, showed where the energy was really coming from, and it is something everyone can sink their teeth into. It is not a magic show it is something real.

I just hope and pray that everyone can see what has been done here. Energy independence is now ours for the taking


h2opower.

[Guest]

You are right but tend to forget that an ION engine needs two parts, one negative ion and one positive ion. How else do you think there will be an explosive reaction?

Those energy levels you mention assume you have something to mate the ion with.

Where do you plan to pick your electrons from to mate the O4+ with?

That is where the HHO comes in. And he used water mist to make some HHO and not much but some since it has a huge negative charge and will realize the theoretic energy resisiding in O4+.

Details but important. Anyway the project of finishing all parts is huge and not simple as many tend to believe. But can be done for one determined soul!

[h20power]

I give up on you Gauss

Injectors give the water molecule a positive charge, electron extraction circuit consumed most of the stripped electrons from the oxygen atoms. These highly unstable oxygen atoms that are negative in charge see the neutral oxygen atoms holding on to the hydrogen atoms, given a spark ignition, take the hydrogen atoms away from the neutral oxygen atoms that have been made more willing to give up the hydrogen atoms due too the positive charge placed on the water molecule. In Stanley Meyer's own words, 'they(the unstable oxygen atoms) over compensate giving off far more energy than the normal hydrogen/oxygen reaction is capable of giving.' That is what the math is showing you, but you resist to see it, and as of yet I don't know why. All I can hope is everyone else that reads this, understands it.

Peace
h2opower.

[Guest]

Sorry, now I really lost you again, I must be stupid.

Please try to give all stupid readers like me some logics, or better yet, forget about it. You have repeated your large textblocks with many hard words many times now. I get that what you try to explain is too hard for me to get. So I surrender.

My humble opinion:

You are right on Meyer doing an ION engine but do not understand the process before the injector(you say: water molecule gets a positive charge(???!), tend to, more willing to, they see, take away the hydrogen atom from the neutral oxygen atom(!)). If the world works like you say....

Comments are excessive concerning your message and I donīt want to insult anybody, your comments are there to read for anyone. You think this is Abrakadabra. I donīt.

I explain to anyone who cares listening to simple logics how the Meyer ion engine works:

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1) Ambient air has oxygen, we use the EEC to strip the electrons from the ambient air oxygen. The oxygen ions get a POSITIVE CHARGE, ie O4+.

2) We make HHO from water mist with the VIC and 2 cap plates, HHO has tremendous NEGATIVE CHARGE, that is why we need it. Magnetic energy is transformed into electric they say, never mind the theorists, we know we get electrons from HHO.

3) We mix O4+, HHO together with water mist and recycled exhaust pipe gases and send the complete mix to Voltage Ignition by the water spark injectors.

4) We ignite the mix by HV in the water spark injector, O4+ passes through the water mist and picks up the electrons from the HHO to get back to neutral.

Since it passes through the water mist with incredible speed and friction, the water mist heats up and explodes out and pushes the piston.

We need to dampen the water steam explosion by using some dampeners like nitrogen. And we can control the output by regulating the dampeners.

O4+(ambient oxygen) + HHO(negative charge) + water mist + dampener = explosive and superheated water steam who drives the piston.

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Key parts to assemble: VIC, EEC(integrated into VIC), laser and water spark injector. Add ons are mixer, steam resonator and the electrostatic filter(Oops).

A child can understand the reasoning above, it is simple and makes sense to stupid me. We will not advance in our debate, you surely put alot of energy into this but your logic about the ions donīt work for me.

I leave it there. Have it your way, everyone is happy in his world and I hope you can assemble what you are talking about.