Stanley Meyer Explained

[bussi04]

U8 pin 5 reconnected to U8 pin 6
Pin 2 of RV7 connected to VCC
U2 in circuit again
Set center frequency to 5600 hz
R15 = 4.7 KOhm
R15 cut off from U8 pin 4 and connected to U7 pin 11
C10 = 500 nF
C10 connected to pin3 of U6B
R14 = 100 KOhm
C11 = 30 nF
D5 in series with Resistor 1 KOhm
Inserted Resistor 1 KOhm between C11 and pin5/6 of U8
Added capacitor 100 nF between pin 14 (VCC) and pin 7 (GND) of U6
MOD 1415#1: Connect the wire going to U6 pin 3 to U4 pin 9, being the only connection to U4 pin 9

OBS1420:
Repeating power up once more there is another situation:
U4 pin 4 135 kHz at duty 50% 5V SS
U4 pin 3 4215 hz duty 50% 4V SS
D6 on
U4 pin 5 (INH) constant 0V
U4 pin 2 5V SS rectangular duty variable
U4 pin1 5V SS variable frequency around 4215 hz duty 15%
U4 pin9 0 V with spikes up to 0.6V
u4 pin13 0V with short spikes to 0.6V
u4 pin14 4215 hz duty 50% 4V SS rectangular
u4 pin16 VCC no spikes
u4 pin7 GND no spikes

[Tecstatic]

Hi Bussi,

Now we finally nailed it

And what did we learn (at least)

1. Dimensioned components near the 4046 is a must
2. We can throw three 4017 away and replace with one 4024
3. We can throw U3 (555) and its helper components away.
4. We can add a jumper so we can connect RV7 to midpoint of R12-R13 to force the frequency for testing of phase on a real VIC.
5. C10 must be scaled so it fits to another resonant frequency, e.g ~15nF@40kHz
6. A wrong component value can completely change the circuit behavior
7, Simultaneously resonance in all windings is to prefer.
8. Modifying the tank resonance seeing a new frequency with zero phase difference at U4 pin3-14 is a good success indicator for the 4046 PLL operation.
9. Testing the PCB in its final application would not have left a single hair on the testers head.

and last but not least

10. 8. good corporation and persistence lead to success

Thank you bussi for being patient with me

Eric

[bussi04]

Hi Bussi,

Now we finally nailed it

And what did we learn (at least)

1. Dimensioned components near the 4046 is a must
2. We can throw three 4017 away and replace with one 4024
3. We can throw U3 (555) and its helper components away.
4. We can add a jumper so we can connect RV7 to midpoint of R12-R13 to force the frequency for testing of phase on a real VIC.
5. C10 must be scaled so it fits to another resonant frequency, e.g ~15nF@40kHz
6. A wrong component value can completely change the circuit behavior
7, Simultaneously resonance in all windings is to prefer.
8. Modifying the tank resonance seeing a new frequency with zero phase difference at U4 pin3-14 is a good success indicator for the 4046 PLL operation.
9. Testing the PCB in its final application would not have left a single hair on the testers head.

and last but not least

10. 8. good corporation and persistence lead to success

Thank you bussi for being patient with me

Eric

Hi eric,

thank you very much for guiding me through this very difficult procedure. without your support and guidance I would not have solved the problem.

you are an excellent expert engineer and you are
good structure, I have learned a lot!

now I will update the scheme. And I have archived our dialog in a pdf-file. I would prefer to clear our debugging dialog - it´s much stuff out of science range. what do you think? If you admit I would try to organize a cleanup by the admin or maybe a move to another thread ("debugging freedom circuit").
What are your ideas towards that?

once more - thank you very much - now that this problem is solved I feel very much better

and thank you for your patience with me

bussi04

[Tecstatic]

Hi eric,

thank you very much for guiding me through this very difficult procedure. without your support and guidance I would not have solved the problem.

you are an excellent expert engineer and you are
good structure, I have learned a lot!

now I will update the scheme. And I have archived our dialog in a pdf-file. I would prefer to clear our debugging dialog - it´s much stuff out of science range. what do you think? If you admit I would try to organize a cleanup by the admin or maybe a move to another thread ("debugging freedom circuit").
What are your ideas towards that?

once more - thank you very much - now that this problem is solved I feel very much better

and thank you for your patience with me

bussi04

You are welcome.

Don't say you could not solve it, with time, will, persistence and being a quick learner I think you could do it.

But if H20 is right, time is a limited resource.

I let it up to you and H20 what to do with the debugging stuff, but it should be preserved in some way or another as a debugging guide to the SM circuit for others trying to make this work.

Don't forget to check the value of every single component, so the diagram exactly matches your running circuit.

Then you can consider a new PCB if the modifications are too much on the existing PCB.

By the way I forgot to mention you can throw away U6 (4066) and one 4001 IC as you don't need U7D and U8A anymore and have spares in U15. The simpler the better.

When an extra board are ready, H20 can proceed, hopefully to succeed.

Eric

[h20power]

Thanks you two for all you have done for humanity in aiding me to complete the much needed circuit. I couldn't have done this with out you two .
We now have 21 months before the collapse of the dollar, so I will get to testing ASAP. Hopefully it will be up and running well before the end of that time frame , only time will tell.

Thanks for everything, energy independence will be a dream come true for me that I have been dreaming of for well over 25 years now.


h2opower.

[Toborg]

Working Model, Anyone

Howdy all,
I've read allot but not all as there is just to much on this tread. I for what all has been said have yet to see a finished product nor has there been given a positive conclusion to any or all of what has been said here. Super Ion's and protons blah blah blah (SORRY) Please let us all see a product functioning at 43,863 joules/mol of hydrogen/oxygen production. Anyone, yes, please,,,,,,,,,, no, OK Just asking. Be well all and please just go do it. I am making and testing and getting better and better results each time with some set backs each time as well . Diff is that I'm doing and not talking or getting off track with all this wide talk an so many gismos. Very expensive. Hybrid transformers GOD ITS ENOUGH TO DRIVE ONE CRAZZZZYYYYY. Please forgive the shouting. I just would like to see a working model.

[h20power]

Howdy all,
I've read allot but not all as there is just to much on this tread. I for what all has been said have yet to see a finished product nor has there been given a positive conclusion to any or all of what has been said here. Super Ion's and protons blah blah blah (SORRY) Please let us all see a product functioning at 43,863 joules/mol of hydrogen/oxygen production. Anyone, yes, please,,,,,,,,,, no, OK Just asking. Be well all and please just go do it. I am making and testing and getting better and better results each time with some set backs each time as well . Diff is that I'm doing and not talking or getting off track with all this wide talk an so many gismos. Very expensive. Hybrid transformers GOD ITS ENOUGH TO DRIVE ONE CRAZZZZYYYYY. Please forgive the shouting. I just would like to see a working model.

Really what I read from you is this: You didn't take the time to read the thread fully because it is too long and will take too much of your time. Is that what your are really saying. Let me tell you something time is not the issue for the time it would take you to read the thread will pass no matter if you read it or not, so time it not the problem.

You want a video of a working model, right, then what? As if seeing would be believing for someone that doesn't take the time to read. As I have said before, if I do make a video, all I will tell you to do is read the thread if you want to learn how to replicate one for yourself. I view a video as nothing more than entertainment, and I am not in the entertainment industry, no I am just someone that wants to be free, and pass that freedom on to my children.

Right now much testing remains, but the way I set up the thread each and everyone of us should be running test based on the math & science I posted on their own.

Question, have you built a Gas Processor?
Did you understand that the circuit was being tested for functionality?
Have you built a VIC transformer in anticipation of the circuit that controls it?
What kind of testing have you been running to shed some light on things like what is the purpose of the electron extraction circuit?
Have made any conclusions on which wavelengths you are going to try and/or use? and also why you picked them for use?
Have you learn from this thread what the explosive mixture is according to the patents of Stanley Meyer?
All of these questions and testings are for you to solve and try. And there are many more questions that you have to answer as this is a do it yourself thread, for if you want to be free of energy enslavement you are going to have to do the work for yourself and pass on, if you so choose, what you have learned to your fellow man. Do you think I am going to build a gas processor for you? or have a ready to go VIC transformer complete with matching circuitry for you? I am sorry but that is just not going to happen as this is to be a grassroots effort in breaking the addiction to coal and oil. Not all cars made will be able to be converted and as such each and everyone of us has to find a car/gen set that will accept the switch over. Much work remains but at least we have this thread to read and a lot of good people working towards the goal of energy independence utilizing Stanley Meyer's technology.

I hope you see my point in my line of questioning,

h2opower.

[h20power]

Now I am going to give an example of asking and answering ones own questions.

I, in an earlier post, said that I think that the voltage zone of the injectors might not be needed as the math clearly shows the ionized oxygen atoms have enough energy to break down the water molecule if intimately mixed. In analyzing this I ask the question, show the full events as they take place inside of the intake system to see what is happening step by step, maybe something was overlooked?

As it turned out when I did this I saw that indeed something was overlooked and that was the properties of water cohesion and adhesion effects on the resulting water plume and parts that surround the water plume as it travels towards the combustion chamber. If I was to inject water into the normal intake system of an injection car the water mist would pass around the intake valve and seat adhering to it as it does forming larger droplets. On anything in-between the site of injection towards the combustion chamber too include the combustion chamber itself would have water trying to stick to it forming larger water droplets in the process. That is not intimately mixing of the fuel gases. Now no one ever pointed this out to me to correct my thinking on this, but asking and answering my own question lead to the need for the voltage zone just after the injection site going towards the combustion chamber.

That is not the only reason I found out it is needed, the resulting water plume would be attracted to itself forming larger water droplets as a result of water's cohesive properties and that will also not allow an intimate mixing with the ionized air gases. The job of the voltage zone can be in this case to place a image charge on the water droplets that make them repel from the walls or anything negative to include themselves. Now this does allow very intimate mixing of the two, water mist and ionized air gases.

As you can see I am not perfect I make mistakes all the time. But what I have found out is that for me, there is no one there to point out these mistakes for me. Nope, I have to be the one that finds and corrects them when I do. Now most people don't take the sequence of events into account fully to see problems like these. Now this post did help me find these problems: http://www.energeticforum.com/39933-post96.html

A quote taken from the patent found there.
...Furthermore, electrically charged liquid fuel droplets resist coalescing into larger droplets, thereby permitting the fuel to be mixed more thoroughly with the air...

As you can see even I read my own thread for there is a lot of helpful information in there even for me the one who wrote it. So, what does this say for those people who choose not to read the thread and try and form an argument with me? Or for those people actively working on a project of their own design? Here I set up a challenge to all readers: http://www.energeticforum.com/49354-post197.html


h2opower.

[natone_m]

Just curious

We now have 21 months before the collapse of the dollar,

This is the wrong forum to bring this question up in... but what sources have you read that led you to this conclusion? I'm not in any way in disagreement with you but i would like to read your source on the whole dollar collapse issue. The currency issue is (as far as i'm concerned) this country's #1 domestic issue. I find it scarier than any agenda this administration is pushing.

Nate

[h20power]

This is the wrong forum to bring this question up in... but what sources have you read that led you to this conclusion? I'm not in any way in disagreement with you but i would like to read your source on the whole dollar collapse issue. The currency issue is (as far as i'm concerned) this country's #1 domestic issue. I find it scarier than any agenda this administration is pushing.

Nate

Not really the wrong form as this is a sense of urgency I got this information from here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post77932 and I have no reason to not believe this individual. I took a look at many other things to see if this held up to a plan and guess what? the housing is set to have the biggest fall starting in mid 2011 when the housing low interest rates are up and people are already struggling to pay there mortgages and when that ends those same people will be forced to pay from $850 to $2100. There are other indicators I found but that is a big and easy one to see. But if you haven't started reading that thread you should do so as much information is in there that can give you a heads up on what the Ruling Class is planning, doing, and have done.

Now if I can't this technology up and running in about 18 months time, and the dollar starts to collapse I will be unable to finish for I will all the sudden be broke and fighting to find ways to just put food on the table. This technology gives us a fighting chance for if a person has this technology they gain control of their energy needs and no longer have to pay a retailer for energy of any kind. What does that mean for the person that has this technology if the dollar folds? All money that would have been spent on heating, cooling, transportation, electricity, and everything that can be converted by this technology will become free of charge, for it will be controlled by the individual empowering them. This way when the crash happens you will not have your power cut off, waiting in long gas lines and paying through the nose for it, and can drive anywhere you want free of this planned dollar collapse. Now if you have farm equipment then you can convert all of your equipment and still sow the fields when oil prices reach record highs as oil, for the most part, will be obsolete when this technology is up and running. But if I don't get it up and running in about 18 months from now and share what I know to others, when the dollar folds, many will die as a result. So, now you can see that the clock is ticking, and if the technology you are working can't predictably be completed in that time frame, then you should drop it and move on to one that you can see getting it done in the time limit we have been given.

This doesn't just affect Americans but any country that has a lot of dollars will also fall as we fall. Someone call this the beginning of the new dark age that took place in the 1400's. But we will have to wait and see how it all plays out. Remember killing 80-90% of the worlds population is also on their agenda. Right now because of oil and coal we have a population bubble, and if that bubble burst God help us all. And all "they" have to do is raise the prices so high that everyone else will starve to death trying to pay for it or just say we ran out, sorry world. This technology can save us from these horrific fates.


h2opower.

[natone_m]

This is interesting

This Article i read a while back makes references to the mortgage reset chart that the IMF put out in their risk assesment. The scariest part of the report i beleive is the mortgage reset chart on pg 8. Towards the end of 2010 we're going to see all heck break loose according to the chart.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/.../pdf/chap1.pdf

[h20power]

This Article i read a while back makes references to the mortgage reset chart that the IMF put out in their risk assesment. The scariest part of the report i beleive is the mortgage reset chart on pg 8. Towards the end of 2010 we're going to see all heck break loose according to the chart.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/.../pdf/chap1.pdf

Hi Natone_m,

Yeah their charts are pretty close to the ones I have seen on this. Starting in Oct 2010 people will start to lose their homes again, and when it peaks in July 2011 25%, or more, of new people will have lost their homes on top of the ones that have already lost their homes. At this point the dollar will begin to buckle and start it's downward slide to an new currency and a new America, with Mexico and Canadian added in after that new currency is accepted.

Now you can see my sense of urgency in getting this project completed in time to make a difference. Not just to save myself but for all the people that will be hurt by this take-over move by the Ruling Class. You want to know the strange thing about all of this? When they do this Americans will demand this new currency and the fall of America will take place with thunderous applause from it's brain dead citizens.

All I can do is try to help, and this technology can help if it is received in time to make a difference. If I get it up and running too late then it will be of little use for the starving masses that will demand the new form of currency with the promise it will get their lives back in order. Only time will tell how all of this plays out.

This is also apart of their plans and has to be dealt with very quickly if American is to survive:
YouTube - Part 1| Keith Olbermann Special Comment: Freedom Of Speech Has Been Destroyed - 01/21/10
YouTube - Part 2| Keith Olbermann Special Comment: Freedom Of Speech Has Been Destroyed - 01/21/10
YouTube - A NEW DOLLAR : an insider from the fed banks meeting
Keep your head up, for people like me are out there trying to help.

h2opower.

[Toborg]

Really what I read from you is this: You didn't take the time to read the thread fully because it is too long and will take too much of your time. Is that what your are really saying. Let me tell you something time is not the issue for the time it would take you to read the thread will pass no matter if you read it or not, so time it not the problem.

You want a video of a working model, right, then what? As if seeing would be believing for someone that doesn't take the time to read. As I have said before, if I do make a video, all I will tell you to do is read the thread if you want to learn how to replicate one for yourself. I view a video as nothing more than entertainment, and I am not in the entertainment industry, no I am just someone that wants to be free, and pass that freedom on to my children.

Right now much testing remains, but the way I set up the thread each and everyone of us should be running test based on the math & science I posted on their own.

Question, have you built a Gas Processor?
Did you understand that the circuit was being tested for functionality?
Have you built a VIC transformer in anticipation of the circuit that controls it?
What kind of testing have you been running to shed some light on things like what is the purpose of the electron extraction circuit?
Have made any conclusions on which wavelengths you are going to try and/or use? and also why you picked them for use?
Have you learn from this thread what the explosive mixture is according to the patents of Stanley Meyer?
All of these questions and testings are for you to solve and try. And there are many more questions that you have to answer as this is a do it yourself thread, for if you want to be free of energy enslavement you are going to have to do the work for yourself and pass on, if you so choose, what you have learned to your fellow man. Do you think I am going to build a gas processor for you? or have a ready to go VIC transformer complete with matching circuitry for you? I am sorry but that is just not going to happen as this is to be a grassroots effort in breaking the addiction to coal and oil. Not all cars made will be able to be converted and as such each and everyone of us has to find a car/gen set that will accept the switch over. Much work remains but at least we have this thread to read and a lot of good people working towards the goal of energy independence utilizing Stanley Meyer's technology.

I hope you see my point in my line of questioning,

h2opower.

Just more useless talk. Nothing, its not about me, you or any one person, its about every ones future. I don't have to read all of this tread to understand that you are no closer then anyone else. I will say this, We now know what not to do. Good luck guys, I just hope that the one person who does get it right will freely share it with the world. Your not very good at being condescending. Work at it you my get better one day. Night all.

[h20power]

Just more useless talk. Nothing, its not about me, you or any one person, its about every ones future. I don't have to read all of this tread to understand that you are no closer then anyone else. I will say this, We now know what not to do. Good luck guys, I just hope that the one person who does get it right will freely share it with the world. Your not very good at being condescending. Work at it you my get better one day. Night all.

But you never answered even one question. In your use of the word condescending I take it you don't believe that I will share this information with you openly and freely, right? For you think I am in this for the money and will take from everyone reading this thread, by offering to make units for people that can not, of course for a price, am I right in my interpretation of your thoughts of me?

You think I am scam artist of some kind and that everything I put on this thread is all make believe, totally fake, even though I posted the math of the process, and so much more. Now for the people that can not make these units you best find someone that can, for I am not going to be making them for you. More than likely I will not even be in the country as I can see the the ship is sinking, and am not blinded by all the entertainment put out in front of me to distract me from these facts.

In the course of your life you will perhaps never meet someone like me ever again, as I don't see too many people that think the same as I do. Breaking free of the mind control that have been placed all around you is a very hard thing to do. I wouldn't expect 1 in every 100k to have pulled their minds free of the mind control that has been placed upon them. Aaron Russo was one that broke free of their mind control, but he is dead now, and there are others, but they are very few in numbers.

Yes, if I get it right you will have it also, that I make as a promise to everyone reading this thread. But you will have to build it or have it built and installed on your own, for as I already pointed out the clock is ticking. Good day to you Sir, and thanks for stopping by this little thread.


h2opower.

[mmm_66]

Thank You All

Hi everyone...
All I can say is a big "THANK YOU" to each and everyone of you who contributed all the information you have supplied in this forum. I have been in other forums that didnt even come close to having a clue what they were talking about. Keep up the great work. For me it is starting to pay off tremendously and as I progress more I will post my results. With great respect to each one of you.