Stanley Meyer Explained

[pmazz850]

Hmmmm?!

I would like something like that to screw in the side of my injector to atomize the water before passing through the voltage zone! I wonder how big they actually are?

Nice. But whould'nt it be easyer to break it down.

Calculate how much fuel/water that needs to be atomized per cycle.
Use a specific number to do so.

Ex; You have a 3468cc engine (3.5L) and 6cyl = 578cc/cyl. - Now how much energy is needed to displace that piston at idle and at 2500rpm and @ 5000rpm?
Idle is aprox 1100rpm/60 sec = 18.4 cycles per secund. That whould be the pulsing.
Every puls need to fill 578cc/cyl. How much time does that take?

So one of the first questions is how much fuel/air does the cylinder need and so on...
Voltage + time (opening and closing of the nozle) - the faster this is the higher the voltage need to and vice versa.

I have never done that so that is my excuse
We need a standard chart - change energy content of that of gasoline/diesel to HHO. Maybe the super secret mixed fuel that we are developing!

I do not have the time to do this now - but that whould be the way to go before desiding on the nozle!
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REMEMBER that Meyer used a 4cyl 1600cc engine, that is a smal engine! Larger engines are more common today (2.0-3.5L).

[CPU3rother]

Nice. But whould'nt it be easyer to break it down.

Calculate how much fuel/water that needs to be atomized per cycle.
Use a specific number to do so.

Ex; You have a 3468cc engine (3.5L) and 6cyl = 578cc/cyl. - Now how much energy is needed to displace that piston at idle and at 2500rpm and @ 5000rpm?
Idle is aprox 1100rpm/60 sec = 18.4 cycles per secund. That whould be the pulsing.
Every puls need to fill 578cc/cyl. How much time does that take?

So one of the first questions is how much fuel/air does the cylinder need and so on...
Voltage + time (opening and closing of the nozle) - the faster this is the higher the voltage need to and vice versa.

I have never done that so that is my excuse
We need a standard chart - change energy content of that of gasoline/diesel to HHO. Maybe the super secret mixed fuel that we are developing!

I do not have the time to do this now - but that whould be the way to go before desiding on the nozle!
...

REMEMBER that Meyer used a 4cyl 1600cc engine, that is a smal engine! Larger engines are more common today (2.0-3.5L).

Um... no to "brake it down" would be more work. Doing more work is never easier then doing less work. This is not to say I am lazy, it’s just that I don’t need those figures to chose an injector nozzle and pump. The link I provided explains that the GPH rating is @100 psi. The flow rate changes if you raise or lower the psi. I can handle this without doing the math. I can do the math, if you would just be kind enough to provide me with the exact number letting me know what % of the water is being split with my GP (or yours if you can figure it out). Until then we only have a rough idea. I can say that based on the numbers posted in the last few post that it will be about 2 GPH at full throttle given Stans GP and car. I have enough info to buy a pump and nozzle and dial it in after I have more data.

[CPU3rother]

Honistly I don't have an answer for you on that one, your just going to have to test it out. For what I am doing I am modifing the existing fuel injectors and will need to get to the cars cpu to reprogram the injectors time on time to cut down the amount of liquid being sprayed in a given amount of time into the intake chamber. I think it will be the air to fuel mixture raito I will adjust it to 28:1 for starts and go from there.

Those are some well built injectors but I am not sure if they are what we need, questions I have are; How will you pulse them? What would keep them from dripping after the pulsing?
Just some questions I have with the use of them. I have a methonal/water injection kit and would only use it to cool the intake system if everything starts to get too hot.

I have a lot of work to do also "much work remains" as Meyer puts it But now everyone should see that the math I posted so long ago is right on the mark. All we have to do is build it all and away we go. I am currently working on the VIC transformers and matching electronics to go with the injectors and Gas Processor systems. Then it's on to the injector modifications and that should do it for me, note though I make it sound easy I know it wont be. But once it is done I will have freedom from this new form of slavery for all time.


h2opower.

28:1 sound good as any. I was planning on starting with the lowest amount of water my selected nozzles will put out and increase it until I see results. This will hopefully prevent water buildup in the cylinders until it is all tuned.
With respect to your first question I am not sure if you are asking how I will pulse the water flow or the voltage zone. If you had been asking about the water flow, I will use the CIS principal. I can change the voltage/duty to the pump to change the flow rate. If you were asking about the voltage zone I will give you a little more info into my plan. As of now I plan on following your idea of lifting my carb with aprox 1in spacer that will have my injector inlet. The injector itself will be one polarity of my voltage zone. The second will be formed by installing a dielectric collar on the injector that is threaded into the 1in spacer. Inside this collar I can fix in a smaller diameter conductive tube. So my mixing will take place in my manifold.
I hope to keep enough psi at all times to not have to worry about the injectors dripping. If they do it shouldn’t happen right away. Once the engine is hot it will just evaporate if it drips into the cylinder anyway.
In an earlier discussion with Tron he suggested that changing the air/fuel ratio might overheat the engine. I don’t think this will be a problem since adding water to an engine is about the best known solution for removing heat, making it possible to run an engine at higher RPMs and compretion ratios than could be otherwise. This being said I would put money on you not needing extra cooling.

[CPU3rother]

I would like something like that to screw in the side of my injector to atomize the water before passing through the voltage zone! I wonder how big they actually are?

They are about 1 1/2in x 5/8 in

[Oneminde]

Um... no to "brake it down" would be more work. Doing more work is never easier then doing less work. This is not to say I am lazy, it’s just that I don’t need those figures to chose an injector nozzle and pump. The link I provided explains that the GPH rating is @100 psi. The flow rate changes if you raise or lower the psi. I can handle this without doing the math. I can do the math, if you would just be kind enough to provide me with the exact number letting me know what % of the water is being split with my GP (or yours if you can figure it out). Until then we only have a rough idea. I can say that based on the numbers posted in the last few post that it will be about 2 GPH at full throttle given Stans GP and car. I have enough info to buy a pump and nozzle and dial it in after I have more data.

Sure, thats another way - "adjust as we go along."

He stated 22gal of water on that distance;
22gal/2778 miles = 0.0079gal/mile of water.

Look at that number - 0.0079gal/mile... realy - even if we have ionized oxygen, that sounds like a fantasy number!

That is 29ml of water per mile on a 1600cc engine... WOW!
That is one magic GP...

[h20power]

That is interesting huh oneminde, that my numbers just pulled out of thin air are very close to that of Stanley Meyers. I wonder just what the current draw is going to actually be when the GP is up and running? and too the injector mods I am making.

But one thing I do know these cars will be able to do one thing gasoline cars will never be able to do and that is put a condensation device on the exhaust and put some of the fuel back in the tank. By doing that it makes the fuel usage into a log rithmic equation for say if you put 50% of what you use back into the tank it will take a very long time to run out of fuel that way.

29ml per mile does sound like make belive but the math checks out just fine. So not only will we be swithing fuels but we will be using far less liquid fuel at the same time. No more carbon build up means far less wear and tear on the engine and the oil used will not break down for about 3 times of that with use of gasoline. So getting 12, 000 or more miles on a single oil change will be the norm.


h2opower.

[TRON]

Stans Basic Config...

Here's how I see it...

the VIC #1 is always producing a resonant condition with its related PLL circuit for the injectors to finalize the last bits of water that make their way to the injectors...since the injectors are always at voltage pulse for resonance they are fed a continuous signal.

Vic # 2 runs the gas processor and ionizes the air to breakdown the water / exhaust fog in the mixing chamber

the "lazer" LED / Electric EYE distributor both fires the tip of the injector like a spark plug AND sends a control pulse to any of the 4 solenoids to time the injections 180 degrees out of phase with their respective cylinder spark.

The LED / ElectricEYE accelerator attachment sends a 10% or 40% or 90% duty cycle pulse into those same electronic valves to determine the amount of time they are open... and thus controls the power...

and the timing is related to the RPM and controlled automatically by the section that was added to the distributor.

the HV diodes prevent the IGN coil from damaging the VIC # 1 or the VIC from damaging the IGN coil.

the ignition / spark high current voltage is sent along the same wire. The injector is simultaneously creating hydrogen and acting as a spark plug when needed

SEE attached diagram:

[TRON]

stans config continued...

does this explain the "M" and the M1, M2, M3 and M4 signals on the control circuit?

see attached diagram? page 19 figure 2...

Ill bet the M1 thru M4 signals control the solenoid valves that feed the simple single delivery tubes with mixed gases to each injector!

[h20power]

Here's how I see it...

the VIC #1 is always producing a resonant condition with its related PLL circuit for the injectors to finalize the last bits of water that make their way to the injectors...since the injectors are always at voltage pulse for resonance they are fed a continuous signal.

Vic # 2 runs the gas processor and ionizes the air to breakdown the water / exhaust fog in the mixing chamber

the "lazer" LED / Electric EYE distributor both fires the tip of the injector like a spark plug AND sends a control pulse to any of the 4 solenoids to time the injections 180 degrees out of phase with their respective cylinder spark.

The LED / ElectricEYE accelerator attachment sends a 10% or 40% or 90% duty cycle pulse into those same electronic valves to determine the amount of time they are open... and thus controls the power...

and the timing is related to the RPM and controlled automatically by the section that was added to the distributor.

the HV diodes prevent the IGN coil from damaging the VIC # 1 or the VIC from damaging the IGN coil.

the ignition / spark high current voltage is sent along the same wire. The injector is simultaneously creating hydrogen and acting as a spark plug when needed

SEE attached diagram:

That looks right to me, but I will have to go over it in more detail a bit latter, okay? As for page 19 fig 2 not sure on that one, but I do have a circuit diagram of something simular.


h2opower.

[TRON]

single cylinder timing chart

i have developed a chart to show position of dist. rotor in relation to the signal fired by the control circuit, for one of the 4 electronic solenoids that control volume of fuel sent to injector.

the simplest way to control engine speed is with the pulse width applied so that it controls the amount of time the solenoid is open for each cycle of piston stroke.

the rotor fires at 5 to 15 degrees after tdc for the ignition coil and notice that the LED for cyl # 1 (photoswitch) is positioned to light up when the rotor is 180 degrees more or less so that the injector is fed fuel during the intake stroke, the slight vaccum that is present will help in disassociating water molecules. I believe that is the best time to inject / produce the final hydroxy mix.

i wish i had the funds to do the actual set up of a VW engine with injectors... maybe someday someone out there will do it!

I hope this information makes the complete system more clear. that is my goal, to learn from H2opower and apply other areas of the patents to what he has already explained.
that way im not arguing with the creator of this thread, simply helping to fill in the missing pcs when i can...

see attached...

[pmazz850]

EEC surface area?

How much surface do you think the EEC should have? Should it be several layers of mesh or will a single layer be enough? I was thinking of multiple layers but don't know if its neccesary. What do you think?

[TRON]

Eec

more is better cause electrons are tiny, but there is a point where you start to obstruct air flow...so if your gas processor is pressurized, try stainless wool packed into a clear vinyl hose, there should be enough air flowing thru...

[Digits]

Hi pmazz850.

I dont say this is rule of thumb, but you wont need too much even if engine speeds are high I believe elecrons move at a very high speed.
I have built a EEC a small one with 3KV with one mesh and it worked fine when added another mesh it was better but not significant.
I conected it to a compressor at 5 bar and worked fine.
I don't however know to what energy level maybe you will need more GP's rather than more EEC grids.
But please this however remains to be tested and confirmed.

Digits

[h20power]

How much surface do you think the EEC should have? Should it be several layers of mesh or will a single layer be enough? I was thinking of multiple layers but don't know if its neccesary. What do you think?

This is what I was wanting to use; Metal Honeycomb Catalysts | Procucts Infomation | TANAKA KIKINZOKU GROUP
http://www.plascore.com/aluminum-hon...mg-xr-5052.htm
But I find the pricing to be a bit high for me for right now. My thinking on this was to have at least 1/2 inch deep honeycomb passage ways, more or less the same concept as the catlyic converters for they have a high enough flow rate.
But for starts I am using fine mesh screens. Anyway this is the part where what ever you test out that works best for you is good.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Screen insert

I found some old air flow sensors and they have these screen inserts in the ends of them. If you could get a few and stack them up I think they would work well. Here is a pic of a sensor with the screen.