Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

con't of the post above

The VIC Transformers

There are two types of VIC transformers
Taken from the SMTB:

Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: (1) VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, (2) VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

Now it is clear that if the voltage zones are between 0.06-0.01 inches you need to use VIC number 2, if your voltage zones are higher than this VIC number 1 will work for you.

Now the VIC transformer creates its high voltages by way of reactive capacitance, XC1 • XC2 • XC3,…, • XC42. These type of transformer do not make their high voltages like a typical step-up transformer does. All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength.

The blocking diode stops the collapsing magnetic field from sending the voltage back to the secondary coil. It also doubles the voltage in the capacitor to that of the supply voltage from the secondary. The chokes limit current magnetically and also act as voltage multipliers the same way the secondary coil do. They also double the frequencies to the capacitors so what every frequency you are planning for make sure to cut that in half with designing your transformers. The current is out of phase by about 90 degrees lag time behind the voltage and that further limits the current flow so there is no arcing between voltage zones. As a result there is almost no signal degradation to the voltage zones.

Now the GP and EEC are the most important parts of Stanley Meyer’s patent for they can stand alone and improve any fuels energy output. And if you understand all of this you can make the system any way you like for it does not have to be made the way Stanley Meyer made it. Just follow the rules of what is needed to be done to make the reaction work. In the most basic sense what was done here was to make a controlled change to the environment inside of the intake system to one that is suitable for water combustion.

Now I am re-looking at this to see if I can add more to it.

Best make a hard copy of these two pages as they really help in understanding some parts of Stanley Meyer's work.
DC Tesla Coil design
DC Tesla Coil design
Just remember we are not using a rotor but a pulsing train.

In SMTB page 10-12 figure 10-5 Stanley Meyer shows he is using both negetive and positive potentials thus dubling the voltage in the voltage zones of the water fuel injector and gas processor since it is not at zero volts but one far positive and the other far negetive. Gives even more understanding as to what the VIC transformer is doing differently than other types of transformer configurations. By having a neggetive charge pump as well as a positive one the voltage potential in the voltage zones are twice as much. So if you have 20k volts you get a 40k potential differance in the voltage zones.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

I am going to ad an image that i feel is telling much of what meyer did whit the VIC and he's capacitors, note that i have formaly stoped using water fuel cell, it is counter productive.



The VIC setup here shows much of what h2o is talking about, it illustrates it in parts.
I am updating myself on the VIC, so in time i will post information on it to help the forum even more on these devices.

Take care

[TRON]

Wait One Minute !

On ambient air are present N2 and O2, not atomic oxygen, in this way when GP run O2 is transformed in O+O but this atoms are very reactive and they recombined with O2 molecule creating O3.

You (tutanka) are forgetting that the Gas Processor DOES NOT ALLOW the formation of OZONE... The purpose of the Electron Extraction grid and circuit, is to capture the free electrons, remove them from the mix, and prevent the formation of O3

Please understand this... the purpose of the GP is to simply make much more water fog breakdown, by using the Oxygen Ions to break the water molecules covalent bond, than you ever could with a simple water fuel cell... the GP is the key to getting more power out than you put in... extracting electrons takes no power, but it adds potential energy due to the charged ion's need to stabilize and its dual ability to also break the molecular bond between H and O... hydrogen by itself has energy built into it... so does Oxygen, the secret is in finding a low power way to switch off the covalent bond, then you can get the energy that is stored within those gases for free ( or very close to free)

this is my opinion of how the system works, with my limited chemistry knowledge... im sure nitrogen would do the same thing if you stripped its electrons and consumed them externally before they could form Nitrous Oxide!

look at the colorado videos again, where Stan says " how much energy is required to turn off a switch with your finger, compared to the amount of power required to hold a ton of steel under an electromagnet"

brute force electrolysis is like trying to pry loose a pc of steel from an electromagnet, you must counteract with the same force applied by the magnet... but its much easier to TURN OFF THE SWITCH, that is the part that people dont understand... theres no MAGIC gasses being injected into the cylinder....t he GP allows a huge amount of Hydroxy Gas to be created, its a double WHAMMY... stage 1: IONS break the covalent bond, Stage 2:the VIC / Injector add energy to the hydrogen and break the remaining bonds, more quickly and in much more volume than with water in the injector only.

As the piston draws in ambient air, it is also drawing in hydroxy gas from the injector. When the piston compresses this stuff, and the spark from the ignition coil is superimposed across the injector down the POSITIVE center electrode, a spark will form at the gap near the tip of the injector... high voltage LOVES SHARP CORNERS... kaboom ( thermal explosive energy)

very simple!

With water only to the injector, the volume of gas produced will not be enough to even start the engine, water may even run into the cylinder and cause damage... YOU MUST MIX IONIZED AMBIENT AIR, EXHAUST GASES AND WATER FOG BETWEEN THE "GP" AND THE INJECTORS.... DOnt forget to use plastuc tubing to deliver this mix to the injector.

The engine is NEGATIVE, as is the outer diameter of the injector taper, and the insert/cone/ inner diameter electrode must be POSITIVE or you cant make it work.... the mixing chamber, delivery tube, pump, delivery solenoid.. are all isolated from the chassis or engine to prevent sourcing electrons that would upset the ionized charge of the mix... only at the last point ( the taper injector) is the mixture allowed to contact the grounded side of the engine ( through the threaded shank of the injector)

Thats pretty much it.... 3 VIC coils required one for the GP and one for each side of the VW engine to keep the wiring as short as possible for the HV.

I believe the VIC was energized continuously, but the IGN, spark followed the standard VW rotor timing and was superimposed on top of the VIC signal

THe VIC does not have enough current to cause a spark, that is not its job, it cannot work with high current, because when the TRI COIL is fully wound and the inductors are collapsed into the samc core structure, the whole coil ends up being connected to the Taper Resonant Cavity in PARALLEL, Under the Parallel Resonant Circuit theory... at resonance, the voltage increases to infinity while the current drops to minimum. this is why the Phase Lock Loop circuits ( 2 of them) are required for the 2 VIC coils that are supplying resonant frequencies to their set of alternating injectors. WHile one injector is processing the intake stroke and its delivery valve is open, the PLL scans and locks that frequency...then the delivery valve closes and the resonant condition changes due to the lack of mix in the taper section... but just then the other injector opens its delivery valve and the PLL locks on to that resonant condition..... Because the VIC for those 2 cylinders is on continuously, it can service these alternating requests from the pair of cylinders on that side of the dune buggy in a time sharing scenario, and the PLL can keep up with the demand.
If we were to have only one VIC on a 4 cylinder engine, i dont think it could keep up with the PLL circuitry for all 4 cylinders, because magnetics cannot switch modes that quickly... an even better design would ba a VIC for each injector and a PLL circuit for each VIC, especially with todays higher revving engines.

( i love to teach, even if im wrong, it causes others to see the same video in their heads!) then they can do their own "Editing"

stay charged...
TRON

[Frostwyrm]

Somthing too think about

From my point of View morst peapole here isn't realy that into chemistry i see.. been following this thread from the shadow and bee intrested in this technology for quite some time now..

and too be honest latley there have bee a lot off agression here.. i know h2opower have brouth a LOT of the explinations into the light in this thread and many of you other's have woth the help of teamwork cleared a lot of questions about this technology...

BUT.. i think you are all staring yourself blind on H2O and the process of what happens too it... i have been looking at a lot of explinations on maye's Injector.

and i cleary says Abient air that goes trough the air processor ..
and in that matter i just have too say YOU CANT TAKE N2 YOU OF THE EQUATION OF WHAT HAPPENS" i got a certain degree of education in chemistry and you kan never remove any of the bace element's in a mixture becuse every monecule no matter of O H and N plays it's role in the reaction...

we all know how tricky mayer's was on writing senteces and explanations in his special way.. and i think accually there is a combination of Tutankas and h2opower's theory .. personally i would ask of you too look what happens when you combine the two theories and reacions...

NOZ and HHO play diffrent part's in the reaction.. i think that you need a seratin abount of H when the ionised N and O mixture hits the spark and voltage fieald... when the reaciotn begins and first NO reacts too the flame the precanse of hydrogen will help the reaction too more quicly return too a normal state of H2O and N2 again.. if the H isn't precent there is a risk of NOx gasses too form...

thong this is just somethign i quickly came upp with and is not tested of thurly thoughout i just want too say..

Peapole are staring them self blind and misses thing's .. now tutanka came with a rather interesting idea.. and you start too fo for his throat becuse he doesn't say "water" ..... THIS IS NOT TEAMWORK!!...

where did the friendly attitude go??...

Let's all be friend's again and keep your mind's open....

/Frostwyrm

[TRON]

This is a different device !

I am going to ad an image that i feel is telling much of what meyer did whit the VIC and he's capacitors, note that i have formaly stoped using water fuel cell, it is counter productive.



The VIC setup here shows much of what h2o is talking about, it illustrates it in parts.
I am updating myself on the VIC, so in time i will post information on it to help the forum even more on these devices.

Take care

Be careful, stan put many devices in his patents, the picture you show is one half of an explanation of what the steam resonator is doing to heat up the water... this was his way of preventing freezing in the cold area where he lived.. imagine driving down a cold isolated road, only to find that your fuel supply has frozen and you cant get back home!

[TRON]

I think the ROTOR is important

The VIC Transformers

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Just remember we are not using a rotor but a pulsing train.


h2opower.

in another part of the engines functionality, the rotor is still required to send a spark down the middle of the injector to the tip to ignite the mix at 5 degrees ATDC.

Yes, you are right, we do not use the rotor for the VIC signals to the injectors, there must be a connection to the coil wire somewhere between the distributor cap and the injector insulator, with a HV blocking diode to protect the VIC when the Ignition Coil fires over the injector.

the pulsing train signal to the VIC does NOT go through the distributor cap...
but the rotor still has its function to run the engine ( for engine timing !)

[Oneminde]

Be careful, stan put many devices in his patents, the picture you show is one half of an explanation of what the steam resonator is doing to heat up the water... this was his way of preventing freezing in the cold area where he lived.. imagine driving down a cold isolated road, only to find that your fuel supply has frozen and you cant get back home!

I was reffering to the VIC - the image whitin the image...

What i am looking for is Aerogel - a passiv insulation, it whould draw less energy. But everyone needs to find there one solution for this. Some dont even have to think about cold wheter and some do (me).

I was going down another way for the "steam resonator" - i am going to call it EM WAYVES instead of what it usualy is called. Now think about that last word and look at the video in the link provided..
Now ad "em wave" and that video (read the text) and see if you can figure out what i am reffering to

(just i tiny ridle)

h2opower did mention it in he's prior responce... another clue

Water Fuel Cell, electrolysis, wfc, stan Meyer, meyers, hydrogen su Yahoo! Video

[h20power]

in another part of the engines functionality, the rotor is still required to send a spark down the middle of the injector to the tip to ignite the mix at 5 degrees ATDC.

Yes, you are right, we do not use the rotor for the VIC signals to the injectors, there must be a connection to the coil wire somewhere between the distributor cap and the injector insulator, with a HV blocking diode to protect the VIC when the Ignition Coil fires over the injector.

the pulsing train signal to the VIC does NOT go through the distributor cap...
but the rotor still has its function to run the engine ( for engine timing !)

I am talking about the two pages and what they are dealing with in Tesla coils, "DC Tesla Coil Design." Please read both pages.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

I am talking about the two pages and what they are dealing with in Tesla coils, "DC Tesla Coil Design." Please read both pages.


h2opower.

Can you post that document or provide a link please, thank's

[h20power]

From my point of View morst peapole here isn't realy that into chemistry i see.. been following this thread from the shadow and bee intrested in this technology for quite some time now..

and too be honest latley there have bee a lot off agression here.. i know h2opower have brouth a LOT of the explinations into the light in this thread and many of you other's have woth the help of teamwork cleared a lot of questions about this technology...

BUT.. i think you are all staring yourself blind on H2O and the process of what happens too it... i have been looking at a lot of explinations on maye's Injector.

and i cleary says Abient air that goes trough the air processor ..
and in that matter i just have too say YOU CANT TAKE N2 YOU OF THE EQUATION OF WHAT HAPPENS" i got a certain degree of education in chemistry and you kan never remove any of the bace element's in a mixture becuse every monecule no matter of O H and N plays it's role in the reaction...

we all know how tricky mayer's was on writing senteces and explanations in his special way.. and i think accually there is a combination of Tutankas and h2opower's theory .. personally i would ask of you too look what happens when you combine the two theories and reacions...

NOZ and HHO play diffrent part's in the reaction.. i think that you need a seratin abount of H when the ionised N and O mixture hits the spark and voltage fieald... when the reaciotn begins and first NO reacts too the flame the precanse of hydrogen will help the reaction too more quicly return too a normal state of H2O and N2 again.. if the H isn't precent there is a risk of NOx gasses too form...

thong this is just somethign i quickly came upp with and is not tested of thurly thoughout i just want too say..

Peapole are staring them self blind and misses thing's .. now tutanka came with a rather interesting idea.. and you start too fo for his throat becuse he doesn't say "water" ..... THIS IS NOT TEAMWORK!!...

where did the friendly attitude go??...

Let's all be friend's again and keep your mind's open....

/Frostwyrm

I took a look at the reactions between Nitrogen and Oxygen and found they don't combine like that, N2O is derived from mostly amonia, and I posted some of what I found. You have to also keep in mind the oxygen that being used to make N2O is coming from the 21% of the oxygen in the air we breath. But as I stated earlyer the two elements don't combine that way. So conservation of mass tells me this can not take place for the mass of the oxygen going into the system in his theory is part of the mass in the whole system 21% of oxygen. So his theory breaks down for the two atoms are not going to combine in the Gas Processor, and if they did there would be no net gain in oxygen for the oxygen used came from the 21% of oxygen in the air to start off with. The Gas Processor does not create oxygen, you get to use only what is found in the air. The Gas Processor in combination with the Electron Extraction Circuit and Coherent light, stripps the electrons from the atoms making them smaller and uping their energy content in a process known as "Non-sequential ionization." His theory has magic in it and therfore belongs in Holywood for the said atoms Nitrogen and Oxygen don't combine in that fassion to produce N2O and there would be no net gain in the amount of oxygen in the system for it is all coming from the same 21% supply. Do I make myself clear on this?


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

Think about this!

Nitrogen and Oxygen have close ionization energy - CLOSE - and that means that N2 WILL be ionized.. it is no way in h*** that it want be ionized...
And since there is 78% N2 and only 16% O2 you do the math...

[h20power]

Nitrogen and Oxygen have close ionization energy - CLOSE - and that means that N2 WILL be ionized.. it is no way in h*** that it want be ionized...
And since there is 78% N2 and only 16% O2 you do the math...

Nitrogen is non-flamable so even if the gas processor was producing N2O's, which it is not, you can spark at it all day and nothing would happen. Yet another reason tutanks theory breaks down.

Taken from: Oxygen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOccurrence
See also: Silicate minerals and Category:Oxide minerals
Oxygen is the most abundant chemical element, by mass, in our biosphere, air, sea and land. Oxygen is the third most abundant chemical element in the universe, after hydrogen and helium.[1] About 0.9% of the Sun's mass is oxygen.[3] Oxygen constitutes 49.2% of the Earth's crust by mass[2] and is the major component of the world's oceans (88.8% by mass).[3] Oxygen gas is the second most common component of the Earth's atmosphere, taking up 21.0% of its volume and 23.1% of its mass (some 1015 tonnes).[3][37][38]

So it's 21%!

In NOS systems the role of Nitrogen in N2O is to absorb heat from the system and take it away, if you try and pump pure oxygen into the system it will burn up. Oxygen is more soluable than Nitrogen in water by about 2 to 1 so yes Nitrogen will be apart of the system but it will be responesable for taking the heat away nothing more. We do not want Nitrogen oxides being produced in the combustion chamber for that is a green house gas and is not good for the envirenment. For if tatunka is right then he would be able to put the people that sell N2O out of work by simple hooking up a Gas Processor and creating N2O and start undercutting all other sellers of the gas for he could just bottle it up right out of the Gas Processor and sell it.

As for the two pages they are right in the first post on this page "DC Tesla Coil design."

I know a lot of what I just said doesn't apply to you oneminde, but just take all that does. Seems everyone wants to test my metal on this, but I am leaving all of you far behind and moving forwards, for the math I posted demands that I do. Stay back here a fight if you feel the need to do so, I for one put that tutanka theory to rest already.


h2opower.

[CPU3rother]

Last few pages

@ Oneminde

I didn't respond to one of your previous posts because you had made up your mind and didn't appear to be interested anymore. I'm touching on it now because you have brought it up again.
Your UVC light source is not coherent light. You will get results with it, but at what input cost? There are a number of reasons to go with a LASER ( Light Amplification by Stimulated Emition). I just gave you one. This is another since you talked about multiphoton ionization but miss coherence.
Resonance enhanced multiphoton ionization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and this entire page.
Quantum properties of light

And the GP becomes the laser tube and the air is the medium.

@ sebosfato

After reading the the links above, tell me again about the resonance Stan talked about.
Oh and by the way I invented the light bulb. I just didn't tell anyone until just now.

@ tutanka
Can you explain to me how you will maintain the high engine temps you will need when the water will be caring all the heat out the exhaust. If you do run that hot how will you stop engine failure?
Why would you focus on N2O for use as an oxidant when you could just focus on the O which is a much better oxidant until you get to much higher temps.
Just so I'm clear about what your proposing. Your saying we should input energy to split H2O then we let some of that energy go to waste when it reforms into N2O. At this point we use the heat from combustion to release the Oxygen in the N2O so that it can then react with H2. " Nitrogen was discovered by Daniel Rutherford in Scotland in 1772. Rutherford removed oxygen and carbon dioxide from air and showed that the residual gas could not support combustion or living organisms. He called his discovery noxious air. " Again, why not just focus on the Oxygen in the first place since it is the oxidizer in N2O anyway? Additionally even if it was an Nitrogen was an Oxidizer it is more stable than Oxygen because of its electron configuration and therefore surprisingly harder to ionize as it is explained in this link. Ionization Energy,Factors Governing Ionization Energy - Tutorvista.com | TutorVista.com

Nitrous oxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is likely that the Nitrogen plays a part but not more than oxygen, and even if it did h2opower is still correct and responsible for explaining the GP to you, so without his work you would not have even considered if it was the Nitrogen. My point is do some of the work so you have some evidence before you go around telling people they are wrong. Especially if that person is the one who brought you into the concept in the first place.

@ TRON
You beat me to it. "the Gas Processor DOES NOT ALLOW the formation of OZONE"

@ Frostwyrm, Joit, Bussi04, quantumuppercut & and anyone I missed new in the thread



@ h20power
Nice progress. Danm, I need a lath..

[CPU3rother]

Nitrogen and Oxygen have close ionization energy - CLOSE - and that means that N2 WILL be ionized.. it is no way in h*** that it want be ionized...
And since there is 78% N2 and only 16% O2 you do the math...

It is not as close as you think. Read previous link.

[tutanka]

Nitrogen is non-flamable so even if the gas processor was producing N2O's, which it is not, you can spark at it all day and nothing would happen. Yet another reason tutanks theory breaks down. So it's 21%!

In NOS systems the role of Nitrogen in N2O is to absorb heat from the system and take it away, if you try and pump pure oxygen into the system it will burn up. Oxygen is more soluable than Nitrogen in water by about 2 to 1 so yes Nitrogen will be apart of the system but it will be responesable for taking the heat away nothing more. We do not want Nitrogen oxides being produced in the combustion chamber for that is a green house gas and is not good for the envirenment. For if tatunka is right then he would be able to put the people that sell N2O out of work by simple hooking up a Gas Processor and creating N2O and start undercutting all other sellers of the gas for he could just bottle it up right out of the Gas Processor and sell it.

As for the two pages they are right in the first post on this page "DC Tesla Coil design."

I know a lot of what I just said doesn't apply to you oneminde, but just take all that does. Seems everyone wants to test my metal on this, but I am leaving all of you far behind and moving forwards, for the math I posted demands that I do. Stay back here a fight if you feel the need to do so, I for one put that tutanka theory to rest already.


h2opower.

HI H20POWER,
Please answer me clear steps for reach thermal explosive energy, because as I continue to written, without that your engine don't run..
N2O isn't flamabe gas hydrogen but it is necessary for obtain thermal explosive energy inside engine.. My complete reaction is visible on diagram attached.. Please create your simple diagram and send to the forum.. Regards