Stanley Meyer Explained

[bussi04]

One more idea:
Might be useful to make the circuit design using a CAD program like Eagle 5 (http://www.cadsoftusa.com/index.htm.en). Demo version available. Reengineering gets easier and the circuit board layout can be given away ás a parameter file for fast and easy replication of the circuit board.

Greetings,
bussi04

[Tecstatic]

I feel very comfort here, when i read through, what h2power writes about Stan Meyer.
It sounds more logical then anything other else.
But not, for the rest of the confusing Post,
what is trowing in here, and what are obvious Attempts to missleading from Stan Meyers Work.
I think, if i wanna have a logical Thread, i have to put a lot Posts at the ignore List.

Me too.

I think a good indication of the importance and relevance of a thread can be measured by the number of dis-informants and their efforts.

I'm only an occasional reader in the thread, I have read most of the available Stan stuff a year ago and seen the movies available, so I like to be up to date. But doing work in other threads, it is killing to have to read the nonsense posts also.

I would be thankful I you or h20power expressed your opinion on who the dis-informants are.

This is not censoring, as it still is my choice, if I put them on my ignore list.

If the word dis-informant is considered too strong a "stamp" on a member, Then the list could be described as a list of members with more noise than useful information in their too numerous posts.

IMHO this problem is increasing, so we need to be able to counter this better, in order to save time and do valuable work instead.

@h20power
Super thread

Eric

[h20power]

H20power link #1018

Variable voltage control:
I´m not quite sure if you need a variable power supply 0-50V 3A for the VIC pulsed primary input line. If so I have the following solution in mind:
Regulated power supply -
As a substitute for the regulation of any variable available power supply (regulated by potentiometer) you can take attatched Xicor Nonvolatile Digital Potentiometer X9C10x. It´s a digitally controllable resistor array.
If you don´t have a power supply 0-50 Volts with amp regulation the attached circuit diagram (pic bu001) might be useful. I can describe it further if people are interested.
It´s a linear regulation, maybe a switched mode supply could be more useful in case of low Voltage high Amps.

Query: how fast has the change in voltage to take place? If the change must happen within a pulse train sequence then a very fast regulation must take place. No conventional PS gets that right.

Engine management system:
I would suggest to use a microcontroller from Atmel (Atmel Products - Microcontrollers - AVR® 8-Bit RISC - picoPower Technology. It´s cheap, versatile, has several bus communication systems and can be programmed in basic (no need for assembler, but of course possible). A low cost development system STK 500 for PC is available.
KISS art 2009

EEC/LED:
I will start at a VIC/EEC/LED pulsing frequency of 40.8 kHz because this is a proton resonance frequence. Voltages and photon injections at that resonance frequency should have a very strong impact on the atom (theoretical background Global-Scaling Institute | Home).

Timing diagrams:
I would suggest to create timing diagrams for the whole system. That makes it easier to compare different solution and to set up an overall control.

Query according to VIC:
In my attatchment (bu003) I have enumerated those slices from 1 to 14.
They seem to be different in size: 14, 13, 11, 7 ,3 seem to be smaller than the other slices. Is it intended or not?
While you are describing bobbin 1 and bobbin 2 there seem to be 3 bobbins (a, b, c)?
Because I´m not native English speaker: are these slices (d) the “pancake style bobbins” and are they called bobbin cavities?
Up yet I only found a distributor for delrin rods, no tubes. And I didn´t get any hint for a bifilar wire distributor.

Greetings,
Bussi04

Hi Bussi04,

For the bobbins yes I have three now as it is easyer to wrap for me, and yes the fins on the bobbin caivities are a little off but I did the best I could all of them are done by hand. I ran the speeds too high on the lathe and heated up the delrin and it has heat bends in it like a bowl on some of them. Plus it was over 100 F when I was working on some of them and that didn't help much.

And when I say all the coils have to be matched up I am talking about individual bobbin cavities one from each, since there are four coils then this has to be done four times for a number count for the whole bobbin cavity. So that is each bobbin cavity has to have the same inductance and once you have one bobbin cavity you will have it for the whole set.

40.8 is a great place to start, I am going for 42.712 as water seems to have some resonance in that area from looking at the work of others . But the main thing is to bring the circuity into resonance so nothing burns up when you go to drive them.

Now what is a image charge? Method of image charges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now why is this important? Water is a dielectric liquid as a result it can pick up an image charge from pass through voltage zone. But water can only handle around 20k volts of charge at this point the water molecule will split into two droplets and the voltage is divided between the two. The Kelvin water droper expirement shows water hitting this voltage threshold: Physics – A Physics Lecture in MIT – “Water Battery”

Now why is that important to us? If the voltage zone has a pulsating power supply the droplets that divided due to this action will be recharged and the water droplet will spilt again, and be recharged again. While it is in the voltage zone the water droplet will be charged, split, recharged, split, and the process goes on until the water reaches a sort of critical mass and it seperates into it's componet elements hydrogen and oxygen.
To aid this the phase diagram of water is used in that water at a high temperture high pressure will remain in a liquid state but if injected into a low pressure zone at the same temperture the water will instantly turn into a vapor. Using this knowlegde of water we set out to give the image charge breakdown of the water molecule a head start.

This process of charge divid and charge again is an accelerating one, in that the surface area of the water molecule to be charged keeps getting less and less. This drawing gives a visual representation of that process taking place:

In all of this shows the science of the water fuel injectors for this is how they work to break down the water molecule in to it's componet elements hydrogen and oxygen. It is all done by taking full advantage of all the properties of the water molecule into account.

Now if you have an injection system that returns the water to the source tank you can, like in the water droplet expirements, build up the voltage in the storage tank giving you yet another head start. There must be no grounds in the system or the voltage will not build up. For you see what happens when the bucket is grounded and/or shorted.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

HI H2opower,
I have start my experiment .. I need only an little rensponse from you .. I need to know if you have idea about chemical composition of exaust gas after thermal explosive energy.. Thanks in advance..

[Tecstatic]

One more idea:
Might be useful to make the circuit design using a CAD program

I agree.

...like Eagle 5 (http://www.cadsoftusa.com/index.htm.en). Demo version available.

I disagree.
Why use non-free limited demo versions for open source research, when you can use cross platform (Linux, MAC, M$) intuitive, free, full fledged open source program for diagrams and PCB layout. You can even see your PCB in 3D view.

KiCAD: Information from Answers.com

Reengineering gets easier and the circuit board layout can be given away ás a parameter file for fast and easy replication of the circuit board.

Yes

All kicad files are open format text files, which makes them very suited for version control.

I use svn (subversion) with RapidSVN as graphical interface. Very easy to use. I consider version control as a thing I could not even dream of missing, it keeps track of your work, so you can always retrieve older versions and have differences pointed out by the extremely useful "meld" program integrated.

If you use the free Ubuntu Linux OS which installs like a dream (www.ubuntu.com), all these programs are installed by setting check marks in the "Synaptic package manager" graphical installer program.

M$ svn program name is TortoiseSVN . This free open source program is integrated in the file manager (plugin), also a very intuitive, diff program is integrated.

Svn is also available for the Mac.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

I ran the speeds too high on the lathe and heated up the delrin and it has heat bends in it like a bowl on some of them. Plus it was over 100 F when I was working on some of them and that didn't help much.

@h20power

Although I consider using water on the lathe a nuisance because of the water spraying around, it can keep your delrin cool.

Eric

[chasson321]

Meyer's News Release No. 3

Here is Meyer's News release number 3. Good reading for all of us.
Thanks h2opower.

[chasson321]

Meyer's News Release No. 4

Here is Meyer's News Release number 4. Thanks again h2opower.

[h20power]

Thanks Chasson321,

That should help everyone to understand Stanley Meyers work a bit better.

Tecstatic, I have to learn how to use such programs is the hardest part for me. I do agree that by sharing we can inproove Meyer circuits and bring them up to date with circuitry Meyer never had available to him before his untimely death.

Just like the LEDs he had to use in his time don't even compare to the ones we have today so also is true about the advances in electronics, for if memory serves me right wasn't top of the line CPU's 75MHz or something like that?

I present the understanding of Stanley Meyer's patent bringing science to them when none exsisted before. He only would sound off words of importance but not talk about why those words where important. Words like "Water is a dielectric liquid" and "utilizing the properties of water" and as far as I know he only mentions the "4th energy level or more" once in his all of his patents. That last one makes no sense put in any other context other than with the stripping of the electrons from oxygen and the resulting energy content of the reaction after the said energy levels are reached.

Now with the concern of coherent light you choose to use you have to hit the oxygen atoms at the correct resonance wavelengths or the atoms will not absorb the energy. You can't just put any wavelength of light you want in there it has to be light that the atom can absorb. For example if you put 405 nm in there oxygen will not absorb that wavelength so nothing will happen. Some wavelengths for oxygen:
398.220
406.990
407.216
407.587
408.391
408.714
408.927
409.724
410.500
As you can see from the list you would have missed oxygens absorbtion spectrum. If you miss the absorbtion spectrum the nucleous will not absorb energy and thus will not push the electrons about it further away from the center so they can be stripped off in what Meyer calls destablizing the atoms. So it is very important you ask or do research on the LEDs you chose to use to find out what wavelengths they actrually put out.

As you can see we are now moving forwards


h2opower.

[h20power]

Here is Meyer's News Release number 4. Thanks again h2opower.

Thanks again chasson321

Now everyone read these okay? Look at page 5 talking about the Gas Resonant Cavity and you will see that it is the oxygen atom Meyer's talks about being strip of electrons and then locking on to the hydrogen atom. As I began to learn just what Stanley Meyer had done I had all of these to read to help me understand what was being done to the water molecule to make use of it as a source of fuel. I had more but a really bad computer attack made me lose a lot of filles ones showing Meyer's retrofiting a Corrvet and a small plane and some sort of SUV I couldn't make out what type. This technology is real folks as you can gather by reading the news releases. It was lost when Stanley Meyer passed but now we are getting back on track with even more goals towards energy independance for all.

We can do this


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

Thanks again chasson321

Now everyone read these okay? Look at page 5 talking about the Gas Resonant Cavity and you will see that it is the oxygen atom Meyer's talks about being strip of electrons and then locking on to the hydrogen atom. As I began to learn just what Stanley Meyer had done I had all of these to read to help me understand what was being done to the water molecule to make use of it as a source of fuel. I had more but a really bad computer attack made me lose a lot of filles ones showing Meyer's retrofiting a Corrvet and a small plane and some sort of SUV I couldn't make out what type. This technology is real folks as you can gather by reading the news releases. It was lost when Stanley Meyer passed but now we are getting back on track with even more goals towards energy independance for all.

We can do this


h2opower.

H20 Have you ever imagined that meyer used laser energy to overcome the surface potential barrier of his electrodes as to have better emission as to have collision and not the way he explained? or not exactly the way he explained?

anyway thank you for coming and read my thread

[paulsonaivy]

Thanks again chasson321

Now everyone read these okay? Look at page 5 talking about the Gas Resonant Cavity and you will see that it is the oxygen atom Meyer's talks about being strip of electrons and then locking on to the hydrogen atom. As I began to learn just what Stanley Meyer had done I had all of these to read to help me understand what was being done to the water molecule to make use of it as a source of fuel. I had more but a really bad computer attack made me lose a lot of filles ones showing Meyer's retrofiting a Corrvet and a small plane and some sort of SUV I couldn't make out what type. This technology is real folks as you can gather by reading the news releases. It was lost when Stanley Meyer passed but now we are getting back on track with even more goals towards energy independance for all.

We can do this


h2opower.

hey buddy its nice to read all the good information ur giving
i would like to add a few circuits which i think may help us out,
but not sure which one,

[h20power]

hey buddy its nice to read all the good information ur giving
i would like to add a few circuits which i think may help us out,
but not sure which one,

Thanks so much paulsonaivy.


with some changes though I will make it with the EEC and LED driver seperated or not sharing a FET.
This is the original circuit for comparison.

Note that the veriable voltage control comes from the FET PNP going into the primary coil of the VIC transformer, that is where the RPM and other torque sensing voltages will come in for full control of the system throughout the RPM ranges.

Now this is Meyer's voltage control circuit:

and the cell driver circuit:

So we have something to compare everything to what Stanley Meyer was using.

Now those nice cpu chips bossi04 showed would be a nice up grade.

Things are going a lot smoother now without all of the attemps to keep us stuck in theory and/or keeping me defending my mathmatical theory I am following. Everyone owes a big thanks to Joit


h2opower.

[bussi04]

pulsing EEC



I think that the pulsing of the EEC must be differently wired:

The input of the inverter 4001 nearby the "Electron Extraction Grid" shall be wired to the point labeled "switch". It must not be grounded.

greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

This was done by HMS-776, the main thing that the EEC must do is pulse 180 of the gas processors pulsing and the LEDs pulse with the EEC. This is just a starting point for us to work with. I think your right with Q4-Q5 and think that all imputs go to 'J' on Meyer's Voltage Amplitude Control circuit. The following manual adjustments must be for stablizing the engine at idle speeds there are two of them. I have ask HMS-776 to give some imput but he might be buisy with other things, we will have to wait and see. Now Meyer has this as his LED control:


What do you make of it and where would it go? Here is another circuit that it might go to:
a


h2opower.