Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

Please don't start mixing old Meyer technology with the new Meyer technology. The patent you mentioned is old Meyer technology not ment to be used on what this thread was written about.

In this thread we are working with the voltage disociation of water and the stripping of electrons from the oxygen atom with some exhaust gases mixed in to beter control the reaction.

There is no beam cutter hooked up to a motor with an electronically controled pwm hook up to the motor. The LEDs pulse with the electron extraction circuit and both of those pulse opposite the gas processors pulsing train. I am not useing the WFC though I did show how it works. There is no laser distributer or accelerator controls.

Now if anyone wants to make all of that they are free to do so but I will not cover those items on this thread. I am going for the so simplest way to convert an existing cars fuel system to Stanley Meyer water for fuel technology. I am not doing it the same ad Stanler Meyer did just obeying the rules he set for the water for fuel technology.


h2opower

[TRON]

qUeStIoN

how are you planning on controlling the speed of the ICE?

[TRON]

see link

If the GP is pulsed opposite the EEC, then how can they share a connection? Wouldn't the EEC be able to share a connection with the LED's? Also the EEC is pulsed low voltage, isn't it?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post53789

[pmazz850]

PCB file?

Has anyone made a pcb file of this circuit yet?
Tron, I think you said you were working on it.

[h20power]

how are you planning on controlling the speed of the ICE?

Sorry about the delay in my responce I have been very buisy the past few weeks and my computer is down at the moment. The existing cars fuel system will still have it's same job execpt it will be injecting water instead of gasoline. The voltage from the tackometer will control the circuit at input 'J' along with any torque sensing sensors. As the RPM increase so does the voltage going to the GP and WFI's so they can process more air gases and water on demand. Now a throttle postion sensor might work better but that is what I have to work with for right now, plus I might find other voltage control systems that I can tap into like the electronic injector controls. I have a lot of work ahead of me but I feel confident it can be done.

h2opower.

[TRON]

can you post a video...

Sorry about the delay in my responce I have been very buisy the past few weeks and my computer is down at the moment. The existing cars fuel system will still have it's same job execpt it will be injecting water instead of gasoline. The voltage from the tackometer will control the circuit at input 'J' along with any torque sensing sensors. As the RPM increase so does the voltage going to the GP and WFI's so they can process more air gases and water on demand. Now a throttle postion sensor might work better but that is what I have to work with for right now, plus I might find other voltage control systems that I can tap into like the electronic injector controls. I have a lot of work ahead of me but I feel confident it can be done.

h2opower.

I suggest that you post a video and link to it in this forum, of normal small hydrogen explosion through a spark gap in ambient air and another set up right beside it with the mixture from the gas processor added in so people can see the extra power output...can this be done at this point?

If so, many would be willing to donate, i think, because you would squash all doubt as to what the gas processor actually accomplishes once and for all.
all naysayers would have their mouths shut!

then we go from there...with a clean slate...having kicked out all the unbelievers
you know what they say, a picture is worth a thousand words, imagine what a video could accomplish!

[h20power]

I suggest that you post a video and link to it in this forum, of normal small hydrogen explosion through a spark gap in ambient air and another set up right beside it with the mixture from the gas processor added in so people can see the extra power output...can this be done at this point?

If so, many would be willing to donate, i think, because you would squash all doubt as to what the gas processor actually accomplishes once and for all.
all naysayers would have their mouths shut!

then we go from there...with a clean slate...having kicked out all the unbelievers
you know what they say, a picture is worth a thousand words, imagine what a video could accomplish!

I am really unconcerned with the naysayers, but with a video comes even more sceptics. The only thing that really matters is reproduceablity in that others also recreate the said results. That is apart of the scientific model that means the most, others duplicating the work. That is why I posted the whole circuit and went over just about every aspect of Meyer's work so that others can do the same thing.

With a video would a new mouse trap but the people that beat a path to my door would more than likely be those whom I don't want around. I will run test on the injector modifications but more than likely not post a video of the results. As for results someone has already tested just the LEDs out on their car and got a 10% increase in fuel economy and yet others have tested the GP with a match ok the inside and noticed the flame brightening.

But for now I just need to get the circuit completed so I have something to conduct the test with correctly. I think I will also make one of the circuits you posted with a founctioning EEC as the WFC can make good for study with it for is not as complexe just have to make sure it is an isolated circuit. Even a one to one transformer can do that. But as to a video made to please the naysayers, most of them are just unpleaseable, but who knows what I will do in the future.


h2opower.

[CPU3rother]

Sorry about the delay in my responce I have been very buisy the past few weeks and my computer is down at the moment. The existing cars fuel system will still have it's same job execpt it will be injecting water instead of gasoline. The voltage from the tackometer will control the circuit at input 'J' along with any torque sensing sensors. As the RPM increase so does the voltage going to the GP and WFI's so they can process more air gases and water on demand. Now a throttle postion sensor might work better but that is what I have to work with for right now, plus I might find other voltage control systems that I can tap into like the electronic injector controls. I have a lot of work ahead of me but I feel confident it can be done.

h2opower.

Do you think it would be possible to run without changing the voltage? To elaborate on what I'm asking, look at an old wood gasified conversion where the only thing that is used to increase RPMs is a throttle. Once the air fuel mixture is correct, when you step on the peddle the throttle opens and the engine vacuum draws in more air, or in a wood gasifier it draws in more of the air fuel mix. So what im saying is that once you get the mix ratio right shouldn't you just be able to open up the throttle like normal and let the vacuum take as much as it wants? My attempt with be on a carbureted car so I understand yours is a bit different I'm just trying to come up with a way to eliminate some of the more complicated electronics.





http://www.windmeadow.com/files/fema..._generator.pdf Page 13

[h20power]

Testing testing testing that is what it is all about. Meyer's technology can be done in different ways, but the key to his is the incoming air ionization for that is the the largerest source of energy content. The rules are a bit different though vaporization is still apart of it. The difference is the water must be hot to get the water to give the process a big head start by utilizing the properties of water to aid in it's own destruction. The voltage zone to break down the water molecule has to be right after atomization or the water droplets will start froming larger droplets as they will start to coheles. In order to keep this from happening a like charge has to be placed on all of the water droplets. A lot of what you will be doing will be a first so just take good notes and belive in yourself.

Do you think it would be possible to run without changing the voltage? To elaborate on what I'm asking, look at an old wood gasified conversion where the only thing that is used to increase RPMs is a throttle. Once the air fuel mixture is correct, when you step on the peddle the throttle opens and the engine vacuum draws in more air, or in a wood gasifier it draws in more of the air fuel mix. So what im saying is that once you get the mix ratio right shouldn't you just be able to open up the throttle like normal and let the vacuum take as much as it wants? My attempt with be on a carbureted car so I understand yours is a bit different I'm just trying to come up with a way to eliminate some of the more complicated electronics.





http://www.windmeadow.com/files/fema..._generator.pdf Page 13

[h20power]

Now I had more I wanted to talk about on this. The voltage disociation of water takes in the voltage zone and gives the free hydrogen for the reaction with the unstable oxygen atoms coming from the gas processor. I posed a pitcure of the process showing what hanpens to one droplet of water the water molecule while it is in the voltage zone. Now add that to the increased speed of the flow of atomized water mist and process air gasses. The frequency and pulsing rates will be unchanging for the most part so the only tool you have to process more atomized water mist and incoming air gasses is to raise or lower the voltage. Now as the butterfly valve opens in a carberator the vacuum pressures increases this drawing in more air and more fuel to be burnt with that air.

Now that being said it would seem that is the only way it has to be but what about a fixed amount of hydrogen atoms for the reaction, right? With a fixed amount of hydrogen atoms you solely rely on the stripping of the oxygen atoms energy content done by the gas processor to control the engine through all RPM ranges and torque demands placed of the engine. For you will have a set amount of hydrogen atoms for the reactions that speed up and slow down the engine. That seems to be the way Meyer did it and as a result you have to control the exhaust recirculation gasses with greater precission so the engine won't overheat or produce nitrogen monoxides a green house gas. That is the greatest differances between the way I am doing it and the way Meyer did it in the past. My way uses more water and should run cooler in that more water is being injected into the combustion chamber, it will be a wet burn, a cooler burn and relies on water's great ability to absorb the heat of the reaction and expand aiding in pushing down the piston along with nitrogen and other gasses found in our atmosphere. So as you can see I changed the game slightly with my knowledge of the properties of water. I am melding Stanley Meyer technology with Albert Bowes technology. In doing so I have another way to deal with the heat of the reaction by putting it to good use to create water vapor from the water droplets that were not turned into hydrogen and oxygen by the injectors voltage zones. This method makes it easyer to recapture the water coming out of the exhaust pipe for reuse since the tempertures will be lower done this way. Now if I put back say 50% of what I use then that transforms the water usage to a longrithmic equation.

Your question towards me shows the difference between Meyer and myself as answer to your question. I hope it aided your understanding and/or answered your question,

h2opwer.

[bussi04]

Testing testing testing that is what it is all about. Meyer's technology can be done in different ways, but the key to his is the incoming air ionization for that is the the largerest source of energy content. The rules are a bit different though vaporization is still apart of it. The difference is the water must be hot to get the water to give the process a big head start by utilizing the properties of water to aid in it's own destruction. The voltage zone to break down the water molecule has to be right after atomization or the water droplets will start froming larger droplets as they will start to coheles. In order to keep this from happening a like charge has to be placed on all of the water droplets. A lot of what you will be doing will be a first so just take good notes and belive in yourself.

Thatīs the way I want to charge the water mist. Please have a look at appended pic bu010. hot water (70 deg Celsius) is pumped out of a grounded metal tank through a 6 millimeter diameter plastic (isolating) tube. Wall thickness of the plastic tube is less than 1 millimeter. The water is charged before it enters the nozzle and there is no current drive because of the isolating tube. The outer capacitor (green) is a metal tube. HV generated by a VIC.
That should work according to the dielectric property of water (charge shift between metal tank and nozzle). So the water mist has itīs image charge from the very first moment of leaving the nozzle.
Maybe itīs possible to integrate the nozzle in a heating element so that it gets heated on demand in the nozzle. Most pumps canīt stand a water temp of more than 90 deg Celsius.

H20power:
When the VIC is driven in resonant condition then there is a frequency doubling and no more pulsing at the capacitor. So far so good for the water mist.

But if there is no more pulsing from the HV at the Gas Processor how can there be a synchronisation to the EEC and LED?

Greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

Let me first talk about the drawing, the voltage zone goes after the water is atomized and the tank shouldn't be grounded. Think of each droplet of water as a capacitor for that is the way Meyer talks about it. This is due to the water molecule being poler having a negetive and a positive. Because water is a dielectric liquid it will take an image charge but each droplet can only take around 20k volts before a dividing voltage is reached and the water droplet splits into two smaller droplets dividing the voltage between them. But as long as it is in the voltage zone it will be recharged back to dividing voltage and the process repeats until it can nolonger divide breaking down into it's componet elements. This is how the water is broken down by the injetctors any hydrogen and oxygen formed in the voltage zone is subject to the same fources as the gas processor is doing to the incoming air.

If 70 degrees the best you can do then your going to have to work the length of the voltage zone so you have more time to break down the water molecule. Remember it is being pulsed around 50k Hz and it is a resonance with the voltage zone and the VIC transformer not the water molecule. The water molecules job is to pic up an image charge.

Thatīs the way I want to charge the water mist. Please have a look at appended pic bu010. hot water (70 deg Celsius) is pumped out of a grounded metal tank through a 6 millimeter diameter plastic (isolating) tube. Wall thickness of the plastic tube is less than 1 millimeter. The water is charged before it enters the nozzle and there is no current drive because of the isolating tube. The outer capacitor (green) is a metal tube. HV generated by a VIC.
That should work according to the dielectric property of water (charge shift between metal tank and nozzle). So the water mist has itīs image charge from the very first moment of leaving the nozzle.
Maybe itīs possible to integrate the nozzle in a heating element so that it gets heated on demand in the nozzle. Most pumps canīt stand a water temp of more than 90 deg Celsius.

H20power:
When the VIC is driven in resonant condition then there is a frequency doubling and no more pulsing at the capacitor. So far so good for the water mist.

But if there is no more pulsing from the HV at the Gas Processor how can there be a synchronisation to the EEC and LED?

Greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

Let me first talk about the drawing, the voltage zone goes after the water is atomized and the tank shouldn't be grounded. Think of each droplet of water as a capacitor for that is the way Meyer talks about it. This is due to the water molecule being poler having a negetive and a positive. Because water is a dielectric liquid it will take an image charge but each droplet can only take around 20k volts before a dividing voltage is reached and the water droplet splits into two smaller droplets dividing the voltage between them. But as long as it is in the voltage zone it will be recharged back to dividing voltage and the process repeats until it can nolonger divide breaking down into it's componet elements. This is how the water is broken down by the injetctors any hydrogen and oxygen formed in the voltage zone is subject to the same fources as the gas processor is doing to the incoming air.

If 70 degrees the best you can do then your going to have to work the length of the voltage zone so you have more time to break down the water molecule. Remember it is being pulsed around 50k Hz and it is a resonance with the voltage zone and the VIC transformer not the water molecule. The water molecules job is to pic up an image charge.

Thatīs the way I want to charge the water mist. Please have a look at appended pic bu010. hot water (70 deg Celsius) is pumped out of a grounded metal tank through a 6 millimeter diameter plastic (isolating) tube. Wall thickness of the plastic tube is less than 1 millimeter. The water is charged before it enters the nozzle and there is no current drive because of the isolating tube. The outer capacitor (green) is a metal tube. HV generated by a VIC.
That should work according to the dielectric property of water (charge shift between metal tank and nozzle). So the water mist has itīs image charge from the very first moment of leaving the nozzle.
Maybe itīs possible to integrate the nozzle in a heating element so that it gets heated on demand in the nozzle. Most pumps canīt stand a water temp of more than 90 deg Celsius.

H20power:
When the VIC is driven in resonant condition then there is a frequency doubling and no more pulsing at the capacitor. So far so good for the water mist.

But if there is no more pulsing from the HV at the Gas Processor how can there be a synchronisation to the EEC and LED?

Greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

On the VIC transformer I do not belive anyone has ever built it the right way for no one has ever understood the meaning of the words, "Bidirectionaly wraped dual layered primary coil." I am the only one that I know of that has posted the meaning of the words. And I know of no one that has built it this way. Remember the VIC transformer works when the pulse ends or is treminated.

h2opower.

[gpssonar]

@H20POWER
I have made the bobbins and Im about ready ready to wind them, but like you said i have no idea on the bidirectional wrap process on the primary. I have seen your picture you posted but I am still confuessed on how to wind it. Could you post a picture of actualy how to wind the primary bidriectional dual layer and how it is hooked up properly? I understand the seconday and the chokes just fine.