Stanley Meyer Explained

[TRON]

A simple concept

the magnetic coils help extract the electrons to the grid and to the EEC lamp.

the LED's help keep the electrons away from their original orbits

the High Voltage pulses break the electrons out of their orbits

The Grid at the output consumes the electrons

feel free to experiment with different frequencies of pulses and different wavelengths of LED's

Let us know what your result is

Only by observation, can we do REAL science... theory can only go so far

thats why Global Warming is a LIE, recent observations show that CO2 is good for the environment and besides a change from 270 PPM to 380 PPM isnt that big of a change... we are not able to get a Average Global Temperature because who determines what samples, where they are recorded, and how many are averaged... so without any measurable ACCURATE data, the entire global warming concept is simply a statistical model dreamed up by a data processer... the same thing is happening in this thread... many people are simply putting forth theories or models, but not actually building anything or observing the results and reporting back... ARE YOU ALL LIVING IN FEAR?

or are you simply BROKE and UNEMPLOYED like me?

(Really)
Here is a simple circuit to get started with

[h20power]

As for me I am waiting for Busi004 to give some resistors/veriable resistors values for the voltage amplitude control circuit. Once those are given we all will have the same circuit to work from. Now this circuit can work for the WFC, WFI, and the GP and will give us all a true hope to sucessfully replecate the works of Stanley Meyer. That circuit I posted is key to getting this to run an internal combustion engine for it gives us a means to control it. Think of it as a great starting place for everyone.

I recently went over the need to isolate the circuit it would be wise to follow those words for if not it will not work. Since it is only a few resistors I just might take a guess as to there values, but for now I have chosen to wait. Once I get my PC back I will be able to finish my work on Stanley Meyer's technology and for me life will go on but now I will live free.

h2opower.

[bussi04]

As for me I am waiting for Busi004 to give some resistors/veriable resistors values for the voltage amplitude control circuit. Once those are given we all will have the same circuit to work from. Now this circuit can work for the WFC, WFI, and the GP and will give us all a true hope to sucessfully replecate the works of Stanley Meyer. That circuit I posted is key to getting this to run an internal combustion engine for it gives us a means to control it. Think of it as a great starting place for everyone.

I recently went over the need to isolate the circuit it would be wise to follow those words for if not it will not work. Since it is only a few resistors I just might take a guess as to there values, but for now I have chosen to wait. Once I get my PC back I will be able to finish my work on Stanley Meyer's technology and for me life will go on but now I will live free.

h2opower.

h20power:
relating to posts #1125, 1127 and the pic-file attached -
which values do you need?

greetings,
bussi04

[gpssonar]

Im sure he was waiting on the resistors, and the variable resistors values for fig.4 drawing you just posted.

[h20power]

Hi Bussi004,
I just made some space so you can PM me now

h20power:
trying to send you a PM I got the following error message:
"1.h20power has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space."
please adjust.

[h20power]

h20power:
relating to posts #1125, 1127 and the pic-file attached -
which values do you need?

greetings,
bussi04

The resistors are R1-R6 and p3 and p4, thanks Bussi004. I am good with science but not so with circuits everyone needs a hand now and then and I am not too proud to ask for help when I need it.



h2opower.

[bussi04]

where are the files attached?

here are some files on Figure2. I have eliminated most parts by changing the logic of the detectors from inverter to buffer. (instead of output high when dark, we use output high when lit) this makes the optoschmitts self regulating for safety purposes. Stan decided to pair up 2 multiplexor's so that if A2 determined that one of the IR LEDs died, the whole system would shut down, this required him to BLOCK the light to send a +5VDC signal to A1. By changing the logic and blocking ALL except the one we want (with a window instead of a curtain on the accelerator) we don't need all the safety related parts. If one of the LEDs integrated into the HOA6994-T55 motion sensors dies, the signal at the window is simply not sent! so it has its own safety logic built in!

you can never have a runaway condition related to electronic component failure (unless the rotating arm falls off its pivot..).

see attached design docs
too bad there are only specific file types we can save to this forum

Tron:
ref #1132 -
where can I find the Figure 2 adapted circuit files?

Great idea to set up the Gorilla video share. Please give us a hint when there are first developer results

greetings,
bussi04

[bussi04]

my best guesses for values

The resistors are R1-R6 and p3 and p4, thanks Bussi004. I am good with science but not so with circuits everyone needs a hand now and then and I am not too proud to ask for help when I need it.



h2opower.

relating to posts #1125, 1127 (please read again!) and the pic-file control-unit.pdf attached -

The whole circuit from Figure 3 to Figure 4 is a digital to analog converter. In Figure 2 the acceleration unit produces a digital (edged) signal at point M. In circuit Figure 3 there is a simulation path (“MANUAL SPEED CAL.” at testpoint “3”) and a real time conversion path at testpoint “6”. OPAMP A21 in Figure 3 is the same differential amplifier as A24 in Figure 4. “RPM IDLING” at P2 in Figure 3 makes a preset voltage when there is no acceleration/speed command from “RUN ACCELERATOR”.

I think the best way to fine tune circuits Figure 3 and 4 is starting at point M in Figure 3 with the digital output and proceed from left to right up to the Darlington Q4/Q5. I think the supplement type h20power has chosen will work fine. Use an oscilloscope and measure the signal changes/degradiations at the bases of the transistors, at the variable parts of the potentiometers and at the inputs and output of the OPAMPs while fine tuning the resistors values.

All works fine when the digital edged (changing) input at testpoint M is converted to a proportionally changing analog voltage at point “TEST SIGNAL” in Figure 4. For prototyping and fine tuning those circuits the primary coil should be replaced by an adequate ceramic resistor (maybe 10 ohms 10 watts) between “TEST SIGNAL” and 0V. Be careful - may get very hot, donŽt get burned and make a pause in between!

Using the supplement resistor there is no influence from the pulse train and the inductive spikes from the primary coil.
When the MosFet and primary coil replace the ceramic resistor again at the end of prototyping I expect a further change in fine tuning due to the impedance change of the primary at variable frequencies and the changing resistance of the pulsing MosFet.

My best guess for the prototypeŽs values :

Figure 4:
R1= 0 or a poti 10K
R2= 25K
R3= 1M pull-up to VDD
R4= 47K
R5= 4,7K
R6= 4,7K
P3= 25K for fine tuning amplification
P4= 6K for fine tuning preset voltage

Greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

Thanks Bussi04,
Now all of us have a circuit to work from so we are all on the same page. As far as the anolog voltage the car produces these voltages at the RPM gauge, throtle position sensor, any torque sensing sensors, cam and crank position sensors, and more.

Meyer developed a fully independent system to bye-pass any cars system with his system for retrofitting with his kit. I am intergrating it to an existing cars system so a lot of the circuitry I will not be needing. At point 'J' is where his system makes the small voltage changes to control the system as a whole. Now this circuit was intended for use with his gaseous system, ie WFC, gaseous injectors, quenching circuits, and all the rest that go anlong with that old system. I know it's from an older system but it's the best we have to work with for right now, for I have never seen the circuitry for his water injector system. That part seems missing from his patents from the patent office so we have to make due the best we can. Trust me none of them thought we'd get this far, let alone getting ready for engine trials.

Again thanks Bussi04 for now I will start putting the circuit together as best I can, have to order the parts then get to work on a circuit board for it all. My system will need two of these circuits one for the injectors modifications and the other for the gas processor. At this point if others want to make Meyers whole controling system there will be two different ways taking place. An integreated system and an independent replacement system. And of these systems there are going to be different types for some want to convert a carberated system others a diesel. But the good news is people are working towards their own energy independence and this time they have a darn good chance for this thread opened up the keys to Stanley Meyer's work. Have fun everyone with your testing,

h2opower.

[TRON]

files...get em while theyre hot!

Tron:
ref #1132 -
where can I find the Figure 2 adapted circuit files?

Great idea to set up the Gorilla video share. Please give us a hint when there are first developer results

greetings,
bussi04

here is the Eagle 5.6 schematic for the figure 2 circuit thus far, its not complete
but goes in the right direction for others to develop on

also there is an additional library file zipped here but renamed to be able to upload, its a set of components from the OscillationOverthruster circuit posted elsewhere by StompingInClownShoes, and gives some good components to use with the PLL circuit.

rename the fig2.doc to figure2.zip and unzip the figure2.sch

rename the hgms.doc to hgms.zip and unzip the libraries of parts
place them in c:\programfiles\eaglex.x.x\lib

rename the optoschmitts.doc to optoschmitts.sch
(this is a led/optoschmitt library file i created)

hope it works...

[bussi04]

thanks

here is the Eagle 5.6 schematic for the figure 2 circuit thus far, its not complete
but goes in the right direction for others to develop on

also there is an additional library file zipped here but renamed to be able to upload, its a set of components from the OscillationOverthruster circuit posted elsewhere by StompingInClownShoes, and gives some good components to use with the PLL circuit.

rename the fig2.doc to figure2.zip and unzip the figure2.sch

rename the hgms.doc to hgms.zip and unzip the libraries of parts
place them in c:\programfiles\eaglex.x.x\lib

rename the optoschmitts.doc to optoschmitts.sch
(this is a led/optoschmitt library file i created)

hope it works...

hi Tron,
thanks a lot,
during my vacation the next 2 weeks IŽll figure it out.
greetings,
bussi04

[TRON]

another tool regarding Figure 2

Logisim-win-2.3.1 by carl burch
download it

rename fig2_MOD.doc to fig2_MOD.circ
and open it with logisim to see figure 2 in action

pick an input to change from 0 to 1 on the multiplexor in the circuit
go to the "simulate" menu
choose 1024 as the tick frequency
check "Ticks Enabled"

there are two ways of doing this, JK flip flop and SetReset flip flops

both are simulated in this circuit

also i hope to upload a design for the moving arm that controls which optoschmitts get lit up... ratio of movement is adjustable to fit any throttle cable arrangement, by moving the pivot closer or farther from the arm pivot point.

[Tecstatic]

I have started a web page to post Experimental results on VIDEO

I have started a web site:>>>>>>>> The Gorilla Has Spoken <<<<<<<<<< for the Inventors and hobbyists attempting new energy projects to post their successful VIDEO replications or at least their attempts! The videos must be less than 100MB and in AVI format or MP4

Thanks a lot

Is it possible to save the videos on my own computer, thats very important IMO ?

Eric

If they are yours you already have a copy... thats how digital rights is supposed to work.
I have a video, i want to share it, but i want to retain all property rights to it...of course im not going to let people download it...its my work, and my money....i will let you watch it, but if i let you download it, whats to keep you from using it in an unauthorized way? what keeps you from selling my stock footage to a documentary film?

Its not legal to download other peoples work!!
Its not ethical or moral either...

TRON, we have not communicated before, and what a start.

I asked a simple neutral question, which could have had a simple neutral answer like:

"I enforce digital rights on my hosted material, so download is not possible."

But instead you answer in a way almost implying I'm a criminal.

I believe in open source, sharing and a collective effort for the best of humanity.
However I will respect your rights.

But in a quiet moment you can consider if a M$ user has clean conscience when we hear Ballmer urge M$ employees to "Take the good ideas of others and make them your own". Then when using Microsoft products you use work from others who has not been paid for their stolen work, you have only paid Bill.

Or what about the morality of this thread from your point of view:

Based on some work from some guys doing basic research.
The work of Stan Meyer
The work of h20power
The work of forum members
The work of TRON, talking about morality and rights of work and money.

I don't expect an answer, and this is not meant to be offensive, just some food for thought. So please let it rest here.

If I end up being successful with my ongoing work, it will be published and free for everyone.

I excuse for wasting this space, but I needed to respond to that answer.

Eric

[TRON]

sorry

what i meant was... we can share information without having to have a copy of the source material... unless someone wants to make it open source of course and give it away... My remark was related to my website and the reason its free. The people i set it up with impose these restrictions and since i am the host for countless others who my end up creating their own blogs and video sharing sites as sub-domains of gorillafeed.com, I must adhere to policies that assume these folks want protections on their materials. So as the domain owner of The Gorilla Has Spoken I MUST enforce certain digital rights rules and not allow visitors to download videos that belong to my membership ranks.

If you go to my site and create your own sub domain, which includes a place to share audio, video, images and to post articles all as your own blog and within your link boundaries, with you being the administrator of your own set of pages... I still have the authority to restrict vulgar or inappropriate content as the root domain owner, and according to the policy of those whom i am under as the topmost domain owners, Because it is THEY who host my site and all my users sub sites for free.

SO dont get me wrong... if i were paying for REAL hosting with unlimited bandwidth, and my site was actually HOSTED by ME on MY SERVER, i would allow ALL files to be downloaded because it would be a TRUE OPEN SOURCE SITE.

Unfortunatly that is not the case here... but it is an outlet for posting content for free where you retain the right to go into your own blog admin page and manage your own library of files, delete or add as necessary.
Not a forum structure at all.

Forums like this one are good for threads of information that follow a logical progression.. and gorillafeed.com serves a different purpose and is not meant to compete with this format but to enhance its functionality

NOW... thats enough on that subject
My apologies if i came across as unloving!

[h20power]

Hi Everyone,
Now I'd like to point out the importants of the circuit figure #4. In the video where Meyer shows his first run of his dune buggy he says he can run the buggy at any speed he so desires by simply raising the voltage being applied to the rotor coil or primary coil. This is why that circuit is so important for it allows the user to do just that to any pulser circuit raise or lower the voltage being applied to the WFC, WFI, GP, and the SR. That one circuit gives you control of the voltage amplitude to the system.

Now since Meyer's systems work on capacitance for the most part this makes perfect sense just as long as you makes the secondary side remains an isolated circuit for if you ground a capacitor what happens? Making good use of all the properties is the other side of the equation using our knowlegde of the phase diagram of water. Now using Albert Bowes and Stanley Meyers systems you come up with a new way to get the job done better I think, but that is just my opinon feel free to follow what ever path that works best for you. Also everyone should take the time to read Viktor's work on water.

Thanks to HMS-776 I learned that the GP is more or less an aroura light simulator in that it has all the elements of the aroura lights. Just look into the mechanizims of the aroura lights and compare them to the features of the GP, it's a eye opener and can aid with your designs.

h2opower.