Stanley Meyer Explained

[sebosfato]

Onemind

The injectors in direct injection configuration is needed to make safe operation and to lower what stan calls the speed of the gas explosion and works like this:

In the intake phase the motor let the air get inside of the motor than the motor start the compressional stage the air get up to 600 degree and when the piston start to going down again the hydrogen and oxygen is injected causing a controlled explosion. You wont need any spark. What Stanley call the laser distributor is in fact a common distributor witch is just used to turn on and of the solenoid in sync with motor turning, that control the hydrogen injection and at the same time it make the signal for the duty cycle witch control the power output.

The non combustion gases serves not only to lower the gas explosion speed but to act as a flash back arrestor in conjunction with the quenching circuit. This is the only way to inject hydrogen and oxygen together. Note Pure hydrogen wont explode until it has at least 4% of oxygen. The mixture also causes the temperature of the flame to be lower and the minimum temperature for to it self explode to be higher.

[tutanka]

Onemind

The injectors in direct injection configuration is needed to make safe operation and to lower what stan calls the speed of the gas explosion and works like this:

In the intake phase the motor let the air get inside of the motor than the motor start the compressional stage the air get up to 600 degree and when the piston start to going down again the hydrogen and oxygen is injected causing a controlled explosion. You wont need any spark. What Stanley call the laser distributor is in fact a common distributor witch is just used to turn on and of the solenoid in sync with motor turning, that control the hydrogen injection and at the same time it make the signal for the duty cycle witch control the power output.

The non combustion gases serves not only to lower the gas explosion speed but to act as a flash back arrestor in conjunction with the quenching circuit. This is the only way to inject hydrogen and oxygen together. Note Pure hydrogen wont explode until it has at least 4% of oxygen. The mixture also causes the temperature of the flame to be lower and the minimum temperature for to it self explode to be higher.

600°C are reached with compression ONLY with diesel engine not with benzine engine.. and .. if you compress air into cylinder what is the sense of destabilized oxygen? Injection of mixture is 7-10° first TDC for obtain time reaction but you use external air that contain ONLY normal oxygen not destabilized oxygen as is generated into GP. In this way no reaction started inside cylinder because destabilized oxygen atoms are mixed with normal oxygen atoms contained into air. And finally.. you need every "activation energy" for start fusion of hydrogen with oxygen. Is clear that .. You don't have experience with engine and with hydrogen..first start few years working on engines and after you can talk properly on these

[sebosfato]

First understand how things work and them you can critic as much as you can.

The ionized gas serves to allow the current to flow acting as a sodium hydroxide in gas form. This allow you to electrolyze the enough amount of water to inject. The water fuel gets out of the injector in fire already. Look his drawings.

However who want believe it can do it.

I'm talking about diesel engines. Because this are already prepared for this technology of Direct injection. I talked about this time ago. Now onemind just showed up what i was always talking about.

[tutanka]

First understand how things work and them you can critic as much as you can.

The ionized gas serves to allow the current to flow acting as a sodium hydroxide in gas form. This allow you to electrolyze the enough amount of water to inject. The water fuel gets out of the injector in fire already. Look his drawings.

However who want believe it can do it.

I'm talking about diesel engines. Because this are already prepared for this technology of Direct injection. I talked about this time ago. Now onemind just showed up what i was always talking about.

Dear Young scientist for use air ionized to allow current flow you need vacuum and not compressed dielectric air into cylinder.. Albert Bow principle have a sense also for meyer.

[Oneminde]

News just in.

To the forum about vacuum.

There is two things that i want to mention today. First is the GP Meyer used on the dune buggy. I will post an image of it and you can also find it in one of he's patents, now for the GP h2opower is replicating can be found on the so called "stacked cavity" unit. These two GP's are different in design but similar in function.
If you look at WFC News no.4 you can see that "stacked cavity" whit the GP h2opower is replicating. Now, i know how these "cavitys" work and i know why Meyer used a GP on them, but that is another story.

Now the second part here is important.

Meyer used the GP you can see in the image together whit the rest of he's apps. Now - if we look at the total reaction inside the engine there is some important things to take into acount.
If we use ionized oxygen and ambient oxygen, there is a high propability that the ambiant air will zero out the ionized oxygen - why? Well it is basic science.
(now i know that h2opower ignors me, but this is for the rest of this group)

The ionized oxygen atoms wants electrones, they are in an unbalanced state as opposite to stabel when they have 8 electrons, but instead tey have 6-4 electrones. Now these atoms realy want to find electrones, either free electrones or charged particles to combine whit okey. Now use your brain here and think. If you mix ionized oxygen whit non-ionized oxygen plus that the non-ionize oxygen is more in volum then the ionized oxygen is plus there is charged particles in the air (count in all the substance in the air now) - what is the higest probability for the reaction between these atoms???
The highest propability is that the ionized oxygen will be canseled out - re-charged if you will befor they interact whit the hydrogen atoms and molecules. Also that O3 will form inside the engine when they intermix.

This totaly destroys the hole idea behind ionized oxygen as part of the combustion as a catalytic reactant.

Now, WHAT makes sence? - Vacuum. Why? Well, it is simpel. If you create a vacuum on the downstroke there is now ambient air present. The only air that will be present is non ionized oxygen atoms from the water (H2O) and the incomming IONIZED air and charged water and N2O (N2O in the lower region in %). Now rememebr that the water naturaly have a steciomeric value of 2:1 and this steciometric value is enough for a combustion, but you do not need a stechiometric value in the engine, hydrogen will burn between 4-75% intermixed whit air (fuel ratio). So the incomming and ionized oxygen will dilute the steciometric value (how much depends on the operator) and the non-combustible gases - water - will lower the combustion speed (flame speed) and the flame temperatur to be similar to that of gasoline (Meyer is always talking about gasolin and he also used a gasolin engine- remeber this.)

Forget diesel for wa while now, if not you are talking about another concept and principles and it THEN belongs in another tread (sebosfato) - this is for gasoline engines.

Now just look at what i wrote for a second and THINK... analyze it for the love of G**...

It totaly makes sence!!!

Meyer presented all parts needed for a combustion. Non-ionized oxygen AND ionized oxygen do not belong together as per say presented in the forum by some members. I am not an expert but i can use my brain and see the equetion here.

Now, unless someone actually can present real words spoken by Meyer himself, either as a letter, patent or as avideo where he himself and no one ells tells litterly that he use ambient air together whit ionized oxygen, dont botter replying telling me that my post here is wrong.. for they will only be words and nothing ells.. acctually, what whould be even better is if you present a video where you can show that ambient air and ionized air together whit the rest of the fuel mix do performe work... it is time for that.

Hmm.. what do big boy's say; "put up or shut up"

And now for my final part - the image of the Gas Processor Meyer used that was hooked up to the injectors.

have a nice day everyone

[h20power]

Why?

Post after post from the ones on the ignor list why don't they make their own thread like Sebo has done? In making his own thread he has shown some respect towards me, the other two are unapologetic. So many times I wish I knew where they lived as to show them my personal graditude.

Everyone by now already knows that the injectors also ionize the two gasses after they break down the water molecule. It will do so if the water molecule is broken down while still in the voltage zone this is the reason for the EEC on the injectors.

BMW uses liquid H2 and if they where to use the GP is would improve their numbers greatly. If I had the money I would buy the BMW and show them the ropes. But I don't so I will proceed with what I can afford and achieve my goals just same. Sorry I don't work at a pace the three want me to work at but they don't help in any way or form pluse have the same time to build their own working models/prototypes so they can kiss my butt. Put up or shut works both ways.

h2opower.

[Oneminde]

THAT WAS MY FINAL POST - Oneminde signing off.

Good luck to all in replicating Meyer or in developing a better system. I will do my part in that!!!

[tutanka]

Post after post from the ones on the ignor list why don't they make their own thread like Sebo has done? In making his own thread he has shown some respect towards me, the other two are unapologetic. So many times I wish I knew where they lived as to show them my personal graditude.

Everyone by now already knows that the injectors also ionize the two gasses after they break down the water molecule. It will do so if the water molecule is broken down while still in the voltage zone this is the reason for the EEC on the injectors.

BMW uses liquid H2 and if they where to use the GP is would improve their numbers greatly. If I had the money I would buy the BMW and show them the ropes. But I don't so I will proceed with what I can afford and achieve my goals just same. Sorry I don't work at a pace the three want me to work at but they don't help in any way or form pluse have the same time to build their own working models/prototypes so they can kiss my butt. Put up or shut works both ways.

h2opower.

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You are building meyer system.. ok but I want to see with my eyes if your engine work bt I think needed more time.. more dubts on GP but specifically on injector because that must be builded perfectly. However I respect your work but let me think differently. About BMW.. they use H2 and burn with oxygen but as you know there are some ways for obtain the same exothermic energy or obtain better results with H2..

[h20power]

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You are building meyer system.. ok but I want to see with my eyes if your engine work bt I think needed more time.. more dubts on GP but specifically on injector because that must be builded perfectly. However I respect your work but let me think differently. About BMW.. they use H2 and burn with oxygen but as you know there are some ways for obtain the same exothermic energy or obtain better results with H2..

I do wish the three of you the best in your efforts dispite are differences. The thing that Meyer didn't take into account was water going from liquid to steam or the gas state, but Albert Bow did. And Albert Bow didn't take into account ionized oxygen and water as a dielectric liquid. So when you combine the two technologies you get the very best water has to offer as a new found source of fuel.

You wish to see exactly what I'm doing, right? But as I recall that didn't work out to well for Ravi, so I chose a different tactic, to put it all in words. It was a mistake to show my version of the GP as that took away a lot of the individual creativaty from anyone reading this thread, but what's done is done, right?

Now that the electronics are done enough for testing everyone should be doing something to free themselves from the current system of energy enslavement we all find ourselves in right now. Freedom is an individual effort for even if someone pakages up the water fuel technology in a nice and tidey box the individual has to choose to get it and/or accept the technology into their everyday lives. It's that free will kinda stuff all over again.

h2opower.

[TRON]

Funny how sebosfato seems to plagerize....

Seems like the recent post from sebosfato was an almost word for word plagiarizer job from my latest explanation of the "laser distributor" and the timing cycle of the fuel injection on Stans Buggy...

I'm Flattered! Thanks for the complement... WAIT you didn't reference my original, better written, better grammar, better English , more detailed version of what you just wrote?

HOW DARE YOU ! Its a good thing this forum isn't copyrighted! Or id have to sue you! ( thats my version of comedy)

Seriously folks... no wonder there's an ignore list!
Props to you H20power, for seeing the skunks before everyone else smelled them!

Obviously there is a lot of editing to do when you finally print out the forum pages in a Text Document... may take a few months to read through the forum pages and edit out all the bickering and arguing!

All that energy wasted...

We could have had this stuff running by now!

Anyway good luck with all this water fuel stuff in case you dont hear from me for a while... I finally landed a GREAT JOB ! just waiting on the details to pan out...
Remember, nothing is as it seems until you prove it so..
And, dont believe the lie that there is no perpetual motion... consider the spinning electron ( if there really are electrons...) Ed Leedskanlin thinks there are spinning helical dipoles and magnets everywhere, even in a so called "vaccuumn"

good reading if you get the time:
LEEDSKALNIN.COM: MAGNETIC CURRENT RESEARCH

[chasson321]

Tron

Congratulations on finding a job! I know you have been looking for awhile.

[sebosfato]

Hey tron here is a gift for you all:

[h20power]

I too would like to say congrats on the new job in these hard economic times. One thing I do like about Sebo is he started his own thread, I don't understand what he is doing but at least I can read it for time to time. And no comment on the word thing.

My strongest area is seeing the big picture and noticing trends. Seeing what was going on only took a few post by them but I thought I'd try and work it out with them first. When that didn't work I got fusterated big time but someone gave me the needed correct choice of action. Since then all has been well with the flow of information and now the last part I needed to get done is complete enough for testing. For me this is all that was needed for circuits is not my strong point and I am just thankful people came to my aid when I needed help. For now I am done for the most part just have to get my PC back and more funds and a lot more time to spend on the project than I have now. So in my view I am done just have to complete the project. I have a lot of work to do as I have to design and build a lot. Now someone out there will more than likely beat me to the punch but that's fine by me just as long as I to get free of the energy enslavement game too in the near future that follows.

Energy independence is now ours for the taking,

h2opower.

Seems like the recent post from sebosfato was an almost word for word plagiarizer job from my latest explanation of the "laser distributor" and the timing cycle of the fuel injection on Stans Buggy...

I'm Flattered! Thanks for the complement... WAIT you didn't reference my original, better written, better grammar, better English , more detailed version of what you just wrote?

HOW DARE YOU ! Its a good thing this forum isn't copyrighted! Or id have to sue you! ( thats my version of comedy)

Seriously folks... no wonder there's an ignore list!
Props to you H20power, for seeing the skunks before everyone else smelled them!

Obviously there is a lot of editing to do when you finally print out the forum pages in a Text Document... may take a few months to read through the forum pages and edit out all the bickering and arguing!

All that energy wasted...

We could have had this stuff running by now!

Anyway good luck with all this water fuel stuff in case you dont hear from me for a while... I finally landed a GREAT JOB ! just waiting on the details to pan out...
Remember, nothing is as it seems until you prove it so..
And, dont believe the lie that there is no perpetual motion... consider the spinning electron ( if there really are electrons...) Ed Leedskanlin thinks there are spinning helical dipoles and magnets everywhere, even in a so called "vaccuumn"

good reading if you get the time:
LEEDSKALNIN.COM: MAGNETIC CURRENT RESEARCH

[TRON]

Well Done ...

Hey tron here is a gift for you all:

NOW THATS a DRAWING...much better than a pencil by hand!

BUT... does it work? are you going to post a VIDEO? tell us when you do or at least tell us how much hydroxy gas you get...LPM...

Is this circuit just for the water bath electrolyzer?

What is your voltage at the final output?

can this be used for the GP?

You, sir are finally doing what H2opower suggested... your own design
well done!

i will admit that you have evolved into a better designer... the next step is???

[sebosfato]

Quick answer on my thread i described my tests parameters and results... And yes it can work for the gas processor too. I believe the gas processor is connected in parallel and that the energy gained in kinetic energy from the electrons kind of can be converted and added as energy amplification gain but thats only a theory... I'm winding now and do some tests tomorrow than if really the electric field is the only responsible to break the water bounds we will know. However if you go and think o university MIT they talk about the electric field flow like the current flow but in opposite direction right. So if water is there i'm applying a very high voltage field. did you got it?

I got up to 20 amps recirculating having only 100 ma output from the input transformer at 400 volts. thats 8kw of recirculating power. Inductor was melting capacitors was melting and hydrogen being produced a lot.

However i'm going to restrict the amps and allow voltage to take over using a bigger inductance because this maximize the voltage to recirculating current ratio. because you have a bigger impedance to resistance ratio so you have a bigger Q factor.

200 turns in a 5uh core giver you 200mh quite good value. Number turns^2*permeability. Who talked about 200 turns resonant inductor?

When i'm done i'll make a video.
best regards