Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

I agree good progress has been made, but I will used the Meyer circuit first all others will be treated as up grades. Once I learn how to use the up grades I will make the switch if I think it is needed. Remember the aim of Meyer was to keep it simple so if an opprating program is needed how does everyone that needs this technology get the opperating program? Anyway just thinking out loud for my main concerns are for the poorest of humanity for we must make sure they can get it.

And for those still at the begining of their reading to just keep on doing so for I put a lot of good information in here for all the world to have. And remember it is the wrong question to say this is too long of a thread to read for this is not a question of time but a question of energy independence. For if people don't take the time to read the thread the time it would have taken them to read the thread will still go by but where they will be as far as understanding Meyer's work will be unchanged.

h2opower.

[Tecstatic]

New thread in respect of your wishes.

Hi everyone.

I have made a new thread:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post73274

Lets see if this attempt to make a simple PCB with the complexity hidden in the program is possible to do within this forum.

If we succeed the PCB will be cheap, flexible, have few components, low (no) drift and reliable operation.

The SW programming efforts results in a binary file.

The complexity is added to the PCB by programming the binary file to the micro controller, which is easy to do, also for the many.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

I agree good progress has been made, but I will used the Meyer circuit first all others will be treated as up grades. Once I learn how to use the up grades I will make the switch if I think it is needed. Remember the aim of Meyer was to keep it simple so if an opprating program is needed how does everyone that needs this technology get the opperating program? Anyway just thinking out loud for my main concerns are for the poorest of humanity for we must make sure they can get it.

And for those still at the begining of their reading to just keep on doing so for I put a lot of good information in here for all the world to have. And remember it is the wrong question to say this is too long of a thread to read for this is not a question of time but a question of energy independence. For if people don't take the time to read the thread the time it would have taken them to read the thread will still go by but where they will be as far as understanding Meyer's work will be unchanged.

h2opower.

@h20power

It is not that difficult, this page is an overview for the AVR newbie:

View topic - Newbie? Start here! :: AVR Freaks

And this is what to do for programming your hardware.

First you download the binary file from the forum, eg, named sm.pdf then rename to sm.bin.

You buy an AVR programmer, eg. this cheap one:
Embedded Projects

with the SW installed you just connect the USBprog to your target controller ISP connector.

Connect the USBprog to your PCs USB port.

Add power supply to your target

execute this command line on the PC:

avrdude -p c128 -U flash:w:sm.bin (or something close, not tested)

As you under all circumstances must buy the micro controller, you could buy it programmed ready for solder and use. This will then be no different from buying and using eg. a 4046 phase locked loop. This also have the advantage of "high volume, low cost", good for the poor.

Alternatively with Code::Blocks and a JTAG ICE in place you just click the "build" button. If the compilation is successful, the program is automatically downloaded and the debugger started and ready to run or debug the program. You can make a correction to the program and test it 30 seconds later, thats nice

By the way the USBprog programmer itself is a micro controller, its flexibility on that particular PCB you can see here, note eg. the simple port or the logic analyzer options.

Embedded Projects

If you may want to follow this track, I will offer you all the help you need to succeed installing the development environment. It is a small payback for all the work you have done

Eric

[h20power]

Hi Tecstatic,
That's fine that you started a new thread but it would be okay here. What I meant by my last post is I already have just about all of the componets for the circuit I posted and it would be a waste of money for me to just throw them away and/or not use them as they will not buy them back from where I brought them. Plus that one I know already what I am looking for.

Now with a system to run a car the micro controller sounds like a better way to go for the electrnics will have to control the GP, WFI's, and Steam Resonator. That means the system will have four or more VIC transformers depending how many are needed for the WFI's. But really this is where the automotive industry is going to have to be pressured into going with water for fuel systems for the whole ECU system will have to undergo some very big changes. Plus the problem of cold weather places and high humidity places have to be solved aswell as very dry climate places. Only they are fully capable of tackling such a vast task like that all we can do is show them that the technology is viable. For most cars now days nolonger have distributers, rotors, points, cap & rotors, camshasfts, and the list goes on. Point is everything is getting replaced by computer controled systems and the cars that everyone wants to switch over to water burning belongs to them.

So with that being said we should have clear course of action for the near future. It is up to us to see to it this time Meyer's technology makes it out to the world this time.

h2opower.

Hi everyone.

I have made a new thread:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post73274

Lets see if this attempt to make a simple PCB with the complexity hidden in the program is possible to do within this forum.

If we succeed the PCB will be cheap, flexible, have few components, low (no) drift and reliable operation.

The SW programming efforts results in a binary file.

The complexity is added to the PCB by programming the binary file to the micro controller, which is easy to do, also for the many.

Eric

[bussi04]

circuit prototype support

Hi Tecstatic,
That's fine that you started a new thread but it would be okay here. What I meant by my last post is I already have just about all of the componets for the circuit I posted and it would be a waste of money for me to just throw them away and/or not use them as they will not buy them back from where I brought them. Plus that one I know already what I am looking for.

Now with a system to run a car the micro controller sounds like a better way to go for the electrnics will have to control the GP, WFI's, and Steam Resonator. That means the system will have four or more VIC transformers depending how many are needed for the WFI's. But really this is where the automotive industry is going to have to be pressured into going with water for fuel systems for the whole ECU system will have to undergo some very big changes. Plus the problem of cold weather places and high humidity places have to be solved aswell as very dry climate places. Only they are fully capable of tackling such a vast task like that all we can do is show them that the technology is viable. For most cars now days nolonger have distributers, rotors, points, cap & rotors, camshasfts, and the list goes on. Point is everything is getting replaced by computer controled systems and the cars that everyone wants to switch over to water burning belongs to them.

So with that being said we should have clear course of action for the near future. It is up to us to see to it this time Meyer's technology makes it out to the world this time.

h2opower.

Just as h20power I will set up and finish the discrete circuit design sm.sch I published a few days before in this thread. I think it will work fine for a single VIC and a GP with EEC. So I´ll be able to support everyone who decides to jump in this way as good as I can and no one has to feel alone with this prototype circuit. But I won´t expand the functionality.

In parallel I´ll jump in the line tecstatic has figured out in use of a µC design because this has been my strongest intention from the very beginning of my SM challenge here .

So ready – steady – go for both racers!
But don´t forget: one is a beetle and one is a porsche

Greetings,
Bussi04

[bussi04]

injectors

hi to all,

is there anybody out there building the injectors?
please make contact the way you want,

greetings,
bussi04

[Tecstatic]

Hi Tecstatic,
That's fine that you started a new thread but it would be okay here. What I meant by my last post is I already have just about all of the componets for the circuit I posted and it would be a waste of money for me to just throw them away and/or not use them as they will not buy them back from where I brought them. Plus that one I know already what I am looking for.

Now with a system to run a car the micro controller sounds like a better way to go for the electrnics will have to control the GP, WFI's, and Steam Resonator. That means the system will have four or more VIC transformers depending how many are needed for the WFI's. But really this is where the automotive industry is going to have to be pressured into going with water for fuel systems for the whole ECU system will have to undergo some very big changes. Plus the problem of cold weather places and high humidity places have to be solved aswell as very dry climate places. Only they are fully capable of tackling such a vast task like that all we can do is show them that the technology is viable. For most cars now days nolonger have distributers, rotors, points, cap & rotors, camshasfts, and the list goes on. Point is everything is getting replaced by computer controled systems and the cars that everyone wants to switch over to water burning belongs to them.

So with that being said we should have clear course of action for the near future. It is up to us to see to it this time Meyer's technology makes it out to the world this time.

h2opower.

No problems, I was inspired also by bussi04, and as a newcomer I considered it very intrusive to your technology thread to post the many startup instructions which will follow.
Especially if I get no one helping.

But no sweat regarding the instructions for new skills, we take it one step at a time.

The first steps will cost nothing if you have a spare computer. You can then gradually learn the needed skills, so when we reach a result, then you can choose to spend money.

I have almost anything I need in-house, except maybe the AVR-CAN development board, which could be a good platform for prototyping. As the final solution emerges I think we design a PCB for everyone to assemble and to download and program of the binary file so the micro controller(s) comes to life.

Depending on the final choice of uC from the AVR family we may end up with more than one, still I have no problem with that.

It could make some sense to have a controller running the GP, steam resonator, pumps and injectors, and one running the can bus communication to the car + the sensor simulation to cheat the cars engine computer.

Eric

[hhosteam]

Tecstatic,
What do you think about the Pic micro controller? I know a lot of people like me already have the equipment needed to program the Pic Micros. I don't think it would be that hard to create two different boards, one to use AVR and the other to use Pic.

[Tecstatic]

Tecstatic,
What do you think about the Pic micro controller? I know a lot of people like me already have the equipment needed to program the Pic Micros. I don't think it would be that hard to create two different boards, one to use AVR and the other to use Pic.

Please see the other thread for my answer.

Eric

[h20power]

Now this is the main reason no one has ever duplicated Stanley Meyer's work, for no one to the best of my knowlege has ever wired it up right with concerns to the alternator and VIC transformer. Also the rotor is not pulsed as again I see most doing with the alternator. The voltage going to the rotor is pure variable DC. Another reason so many have failed is no EEC in use with the VIC transformer.

In the alternator version of Meyer's work the driving motor is connected to a PWM to control the RPM's of the alternator thus it's frequency, once the correct RPM is found then the voltage is raised going to the rotor of the alternator. With this set up the tubes have to be exactly alike or they will have different resonances thus requiring different RPMs to reach resonance. That part is simular to Boyces set up for with his all the spacings between the plates have to be exact if not those not correct will not have all that good production of hho.

Now figure 8-11 in the SMTB is a different animal and Meyer didn't wire it the best he could have for this is the way he should have wired it: for what he was trying to do then.

I hope this helps everyone wanting to duplicate Meyer's alternator version of the hho production using the alternator as an amp restrictor.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

HI Peoples,
I don't see news or nothing of ready to see.. However I attach here our italian news.. new hydrogen engine running without injector and new microwave bi-reactor for create hydrogen/oxygen gas. About your GP.. I have tested in Lab an curious experiment and I have mistake about N2O creation inside GP.. Yes.. isn't created N2O or O3 but only nitrogen atomic and little NO/NO2.. I'm sorry for you H2opower but isn't oxygen that help you to split water into injector but nitrogen atomic. Yes peoples... this is used from Meyer as natural catalyzed for absorb oxygen from H2O2.. in fact inside reaction you obtain H2O2 as result.. is very reactive and when is mixed with nitrogen atomic, created inside GP, you obtain split of H2O2 and NO/NO2 as result.. low amount of oxygen present into air is absorbed every from nitrogen atomic inside GP. Peoples .. first to start any project and spent a lot of moneys I suggest you to ask with an good chemistry.. Regards from Italy

[bussi04]

...
About your GP.. I have tested in Lab an curious experiment and I have mistake about N2O creation inside GP.. Yes.. isn't created N2O or O3 but only nitrogen atomic and little NO/NO2.. I'm sorry for you H2opower but isn't oxygen that help you to split water into injector but nitrogen atomic. Yes peoples... this is used from Meyer as natural catalyzed for absorb oxygen from H2O2.. in fact inside reaction you obtain H2O2 as result.. is very reactive and when is mixed with nitrogen atomic, created inside GP, you obtain split of H2O2 and NO/NO2 as result.. low amount of oxygen present into air is absorbed every from nitrogen atomic inside GP. Peoples .. first to start any project and spent a lot of moneys I suggest you to ask with an good chemistry.. Regards from Italy

thanks tutanka for telling fairytales in this thread,
I wish you would start your own thread "tales of mystery and imagination inspired by Stanley Meyer"
you want to have made experiments with the GP?
no facts added, no experiment description, no details ... only a result???
whatever you are doing - debunking
why?

[h20power]

Hi Bussi04,
He was put on the ignor list for a reason, please do not engage in any talks with him, thanks

First he thought he found a new way to make dentist grade laughing gas and now he thinks he's found a new way to make hydrogen peroxide. So just put him on your ignor list and be done with him.


h2opower.

[h20power]

Now this is an example of a three phase stator winding found in an alterntor.
Replace x,y,z with 1,2,3 and wire it up as I have shown above. That makes it one very long coil with one of the coil groups going in the wrong direction for a magnetic amp restriction. Now the magnetic field rotates about the stator field windings and notice how the rotor is constructed:

The finger poles are spots where the magnetic field intesity is the highest and where there is no pole the magnetic field is very weak, more or less cut off. Now take a look at the way the primary coil is wrapped: You will notice that the magnetic field has been simulated by Meyer's bidirectional wrap imitating the finger poles of the rotor.

As this rotor rotates the magnetic field cuts through the coils of the stator windings inducing a voltage in them. If you take out the trical diode it will not be able to charge and if you take out the main six diodes you will get run away voltage spikes due to each coil having it's capacitive reactance multiply to the next coil, and so forth. Meyer re-wired the alternator to take advantage of the capacitive reactance effects of the individual coils acting as voltage multiplyers and gave them a whole lot more to multiply with by hooking all of the individual coil groups in series.

It is important that everyone learn just how an alternator works to see just what Stanley Meyer did. And also to see how he made changes to the transformer as he took out all of the moving parts. Also note all of the individual coils have exactly the same inductances so the transformer will resonate all coils at the same time when resonance is reached, this part is very important in that all of the bobbin spaces also must have the same inductance for that very same reason.

I posted what I know about Stanley Meyer's work for all the world to have for isn't it about time someone did something to help those at the bottom?


h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Thank You!!!!!!