Stanley Meyer Explained

[ourbobby]

Btw, it is a long time since I finished reading Meyer´s theory about what happens, almost nothing makes sense.

Hi there,
I know that this reply is out of date. You are quite right to state that almost nothing makes sense. This was deliberate. The Stanley Meyer device is not his invention. It belongs to a 1930's German Physicist. A development of which became the fuel cell used in the Apollo space craft.

The reason that Meyers was paranoid about showing this device to "educated" parties, was simply that this technology was understood by the Americans and the Germans and the English Physicist at the time - at the end of WW11.

There are several very important circuitry and components missing from Meyers patents - and in particular his drawings. I shall not elaborate on these. There is a similarity to this fraud as to that of the EV Gray device whereby there is a lot of hot air blowing about from alleged experts who seem to think that there exists in these exotic patents a clear pathway to replication. Nothing could be further from the truth. Especially in the case of the Gray Motor and all the expert analysis on this circuitry. So too with Meyer. I see that Meyer was once indicted for fraud!

In Meyers case, it was that he had to conceal the nature of his device because it was already in the public domain. Just as the EV Gray device was.

What Meyer has done is to isolate out, what would have been sequential steps and incorporated procedures, and, defined them as his own by constructing circuitry that does not quite work.

So we get lots of oxy stripping talk, pointed gas chambers etc. If the correct research had been done on Meyer and his device, it would become clear to Blind Freddy, what the correct procedure was.

IMHO, this thead just needs to step back, take a deep breath and start to think like a physicist might. What is evident, is that Meyers produced Hydrogen. This fact is true. Just how much.....?

Regards

[h20power]

@ ourboby, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post79251

[h20power]

Well, it's the last day of the year and marks one year and one month from the creation of this thread .

Now lets go over what we have learned as we have come very far from the old hho bandwagon type of thinking.

First we learned about the Gas Processor and it's function in Meyer's patent, then we went on to how to correctly make a VIC transformer learning the meaning of all the strange words Meyer used, like bidirectional wrap. Then it was on to how the injectors work to break down the water molecule, and by popular demand we went over how the WFC works and the role of the EEC in Meyer systems. And lastly we went over the circuitry and got loads of help from some very good people. In all this we have broken down Meyer's patent going over each part in great detail, and even making a side thread to talk more on the Gas Processor. The steam resonator is explained very well in Meyer's patent and only needed to be talked about briefly. In looking back on where we started I for one can say we have come a long ways in our goals of becoming energy independent. Now all that is left to do is put it all together and let the replications begin, though much work lies ahead of us I think I speak for all of us in saying we now can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

So, what will the New Year bring? Hopefully a lot of replications of Meyer's work. As for me I think I am done with all that I need to know about how Meyer did what he did to make use of water as source of fuel. Now all that remains is prototyping, testing, and putting all that we have learned into practice. The New Year then brings energy independence if all goes well, with it a new start for mankind, and the dawn of the space age. It also can bring an end to the energy enslavement we find ourselves trapped in today. If you haven't already done so, everyone should read this thread as it is very important to all of us: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ing-class.html. Let this year bring hope to the everyday man and bring freedom by giving the gift of energy independence to all that want it. Let's put a bright start in our children's future once again and start undoing the harm we have done to our planet over the years, for we really have to clean up our act if they are to have a better life than we had.

Happy New Years everyone!

h2opower.

[chasson321]

The year in review.

Thank you h20power. You have put in a tremendous amount of research into this and have freely shown the efforts of your studies. There are many ways this technology can be used. May all who endevor to replicate this work be successful.

[bussi04]

next year - next decade

@all

Freedom circuit rev 0.5 is partly assembled and will be finished and booted very soon. then you´ll get first operational results.

I want to thank h20power for his extraordinary work and for that great amount of fun I´ve had inserting my part into our common project. Alone I wouldn´t have proceeded a tenth of that where I´m now so you helped me to speed up very much.

best wishes for all of you all over the world,
bussi04

[Aaron]

@ourbobby

There are several very important circuitry and components missing from Meyers patents - and in particular his drawings. I shall not elaborate on these.

Why not?

I would love you to elaborate exactly on these.

Also, there isn't a lot of liters per minute that are even needed if
what is there can be properly ignited I think.

So, what is this important circuity that is missing?

[Tecstatic]

Hi H20power, all

Also the best wishes from me.

Thank you for your great efforts, and be glad you have a skilled, quick learner (and persistent worker ) as Bussi helping you.
Hopefully that will lead to working circuits soon.

@Aaron

I was thinking the same when I read the sentence you have quoted. What is the point of posting such a statement if not explaining what is wrong.

Also:

IMHO, this thead just needs to step back, take a deep breath and start to think like a physicist might. What is evident, is that Meyers produced Hydrogen. This fact is true. Just how much.....?

I find a bit strange, IMHO h2opower has been thinking like a physicist, and shared ideas openly for discussion, ideas and discussion ourbobby can be part of.

Time will tell if there is scientific punch in ourbobby, or (s)he belongs on my ignore list.
( excuse me for being a bit harsh here, but IMHO the quote above was also harsh for h2opower when no explanation was given, every bird sings the best it can with a voice of its own )

Happy new year to all and a big thank you Aaron for having created this great forum. Just take a look at this little "community" with an open and kind behavior. A lot of great thinkers AND experimenters working open source. Always inspiring and worth lots of hours.

This must lead to success for us all eventually.

Eric

[ourbobby]

@ Aaron: a reply

Why not?

.

Why not indeed! I apologise if I have upset some of you. The issue of the Meyer device is basically quite simple. First let me ask if anyone can enlighten me as to the source of the "polarized magnetized gas particles"? They originate from item 32 on patent 4613304 - Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator.

Next, regarding my comments on hot air. I also referred to the Gray Motor. there has been numerous experts who have literally wasted their time attempting to resolve the issue of the operation of the Gray Motor. From Tom Beardon, Peter Lindeman, to Norm Wooton. No success. Why? IMHO, they literally did not research their material properly. The information on the Gray Motor is out there. I recall John Bedini requesting that if anyone knew how the Gray Cset worked, to call him and talk about it.

I get the same feeling reading this thread. Too many Red Herrings and unrelated effects. I have already given a major clue to the historical precedent of this device. Go back to Groves and then end up at the Apollo fuel Cell. Meyers fits in between this development process.

So, Aaron, why not? Simple, once the research is complete there is a certain satisfaction at finding a truth, if it exists. As I stated previously, Meyer has deliberately misrepresented his patents. Just as Gray did. Its not the destination that is important, its the journey.

Some of us like to work alone, without the distraction of irrelevance.

Regards
Rob

[h20power]

Why not indeed! I apologise if I have upset some of you. The issue of the Meyer device is basically quite simple. First let me ask if anyone can enlighten me as to the source of the "polarized magnetized gas particles"? They originate from item 32 on patent 4613304 - Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator.

Next, regarding my comments on hot air. I also referred to the Gray Motor. there has been numerous experts who have literally wasted their time attempting to resolve the issue of the operation of the Gray Motor. From Tom Beardon, Peter Lindeman, to Norm Wooton. No success. Why? IMHO, they literally did not research their material properly. The information on the Gray Motor is out there. I recall John Bedini requesting that if anyone knew how the Gray Cset worked, to call him and talk about it.

I get the same feeling reading this thread. Too many Red Herrings and unrelated effects. I have already given a major clue to the historical precedent of this device. Go back to Groves and then end up at the Apollo fuel Cell. Meyers fits in between this development process.

So, Aaron, why not? Simple, once the research is complete there is a certain satisfaction at finding a truth, if it exists. As I stated previously, Meyer has deliberately misrepresented his patents. Just as Gray did. Its not the destination that is important, its the journey.

Some of us like to work alone, without the distraction of irrelevance.

Regards
Rob

In this thread I clearly stated that I was going over the water for fuel technology, not that other patent. And I also only wanted to go over the water fuel injectors and not the water fuel capacitor as the injectors are Meyer's end product with concern of running an internal combustion engine.

I agree with Aaron for that was one my questions I had about Meyer's work. "Just how did he run an internal combustion engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?" I did the math and that is nowhere near enough energy content to run an engine. So, how did he do it? I have already answered that question as the best probable answer to that question, and I leave it to you to go through the thread and find that probable answer.

No one at this point in time can stear me away from the how it all works right now as I am following the science not the Man(Meyer). I posted what I found in this thread, most of the time at just the time I found the answers I was looking for. I am not like many people you might run into as I ask and answer most of my own questions, I even went over how I think and do this in this thread.

My question to you is, "Why post anything at all if you are unwilling to talk about it?" "Are you in some way trying to give all of the readers a cruch to lean on if at first they don't get it working correctly?" "What is the overall intent of your post, to take things back to formula so to speak?" "Or do you want all of these attemps to just stop for we are just wasting our time with all of this and you just came in here to point that out to us?" "Are you so concerned with the spending of our money and time that you came here to save us a lot of time and money that would otherwise be wasted if you hadn't come in here to save us from ourselves?"

Most of us here want to end the energy enslavement game we are all trapped in right now and a lot of the answers I go over here on this thread can not be found any other place on the whole world wide web. Try running a search on Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor and see just what you find, or on the electron extraction circuit and it's role in Meyer's work. You will find that you come up empty, but be my guess and prove me wrong. Show me one place on the whole world wide web where anyone tells just what the words "dual layered bidirectionally wraped" means. I could go on and on at things found in this thread that can not be found anywhere else but here. Run as many searches as you like, even use the new 'Bing' if you want to as the results will be the same. Your concern for our money and time are now well noted so thanks for your concern, but as for me I am driving forwards with my plans for energy independence despite your warnings it is all one big lie or fraud. And always remember this I follow the science not the man.


h2opower.

[ourbobby]

@ H20power

In this thread I clearly stated that I was going over the water for fuel technology, not that other patent.


h2opower.

You cannot have one without the other - they are inseparable, if you want to discover the power contained in water.

There is no crutch.

I too do not agree with energy policies that consume about 35% of the average person's income. Greed.

I have stated why I butted into this thread. This is not an attack on yourself. You seem to think that it is for some reason. Because you might commence a thread you do not own it. Like research, the path can often lead in a different direction.

Regarding information. I believe that people respect information once that they have learned how to discover its use - that means good or bad. Obviously you believe that you deserve to be handed valuable information for free. Much like the fantasy that surrounds the notion of "Free Energy" sought by many people on these forums. That and many of those opinions are naive. There is no such thing as Free Energy. Also, there are many who would sit like parasites reaping free information, from those who believe in sharing information in the public domain. There are others who do not share on forums but, will charge for information in the public domain

I do not subscribe to sharing my information in the public domain. I will however, when I have some information that I think might assist others, will make a calculated contribution: in the hope that it will be of benefit. This is one of those situations. If you haven't seen the connection I have suggested that you follow instead of dwelling too much on Meyers concepts, then I cannot offer any more assistance to you.

You commenced this thread with a threat that certain information was sealed and not up for discussion. This was IMHO, a bit presumptuous. Especially as you have struggled to demonstrate some of the concepts you feel are important. Once you have invoked Stanley Meyers, you cannot dismiss his influence on the topic which is directly related to his work.

I thank you for your time. and, I apologise again for upsetting you. I reiterate, this was not my intention. I was hoping to give a pointer to my own research. This has been wasted. I won't bother this thread again.

Good research should not be used to select a point of view to support an unsupported argument.

Regards
Rob

[Aaron]

wfc

First let me ask if anyone can enlighten me as to the source of the "polarized magnetized gas particles"? They originate from item 32 on patent 4613304 - Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator.

Next, regarding my comments on hot air. I also referred to the Gray Motor. there has been numerous experts who have literally wasted their time attempting to resolve the issue of the operation of the Gray Motor. From Tom Beardon, Peter Lindeman, to Norm Wooton. No success. Why? IMHO, they literally did not research their material properly. The information on the Gray Motor is out there. I recall John Bedini requesting that if anyone knew how the Gray Cset worked, to call him and talk about it.

I get the same feeling reading this thread. Too many Red Herrings and unrelated effects. I have already given a major clue to the historical precedent of this device. Go back to Groves and then end up at the Apollo fuel Cell. Meyers fits in between this development process.

So, Aaron, why not? Simple, once the research is complete there is a certain satisfaction at finding a truth, if it exists. As I stated previously, Meyer has deliberately misrepresented his patents. Just as Gray did. Its not the destination that is important, its the journey.

Some of us like to work alone, without the distraction of irrelevance.

Regards
Rob

Meyer's first patent, the particle accelerator patent, to me looks like he is
making magnetically bonded gas instead of "covalently" bonded gas
particles like a "magnegas". I'm talking about his first one, the Canadian
patent.

I have no doubts that Meyer fudged on his patents and have mentioned
this in the past with many inconsistencies in my opinion as Gray has and
Bedini said the tube was a red herring and I believe it from my own
experiments.

You say the information on the Gray motor is out there and I have
pointed out plenty of obvious things in Gray's own comments that nobody
is mentioning and I have some results that defy conventional prediction.
But what do you think is out there that gives the answer and have you
done the experiments yourself?

[bussi04]

energy is all around

...
Regarding information. I believe that people respect information once that they have learned how to discover its use - that means good or bad. Obviously you believe that you deserve to be handed valuable information for free. Much like the fantasy that surrounds the notion of "Free Energy" sought by many people on these forums. That and many of those opinions are naive. There is no such thing as Free Energy.
...
Regards
Rob

Hi Rob,
I want to offer an information to you that describes how the whole universe is filled by energy and how mother nature makes use of that: Global Scaling
Following the global scaling theory you´ll see that there are points in the universe where the amount of energy is focussed so much that matter comes into existence. we are lucky to live on a planet with an atmospheric environment, a point in universe where these energy conditions exist.

So the availability of energy here is not the question but the way how to get access to it. mother nature does it all the time and we shall learn to follow if we are wise.

today global scaling is more than a theory. practical calculable results for improvements in material sciences and provable size and mass relations from the atomic level up to solar and cosmical structures are available. It´s mind blowing precise.

our common goal here is to plug into this engery flow by improvement in understanding and by that going a micro-step to reintegrating human communities into natural harmony.

As I have seen looking at your posts in another thread you´re involved in you own research and so I would like to suggest to make one more thread by your own placing all those informations you have given us a hint to in you recent posts here.

In this thread we´re now only one step away from the point of practical results giving more answers than any theoretical dispute.

we shall make that step and then we shall see how much reengineering might be necessary.

best wishes,
bussi04

[h20power]

Okay Rob,
Point well taken in that I at first didn't want to debate anything for I already knew there was no one that I know of with the same line of thought. At the time I started this thread I was silenced in another thread and decided to take my thoughts elsewere, for they where surely not welcomed where I was at at the time. So I deleted all of my post and left the site never to return. Some of them followed me here but gave up in trying to deswade me from my line of thinking as I would not bend or bow down to their demands. Nope, here I was free to have a voice and not have it deleted out when it didn't suit the site owners line of thinking. Here my freedom of speech was restored to acceptable levels, for on other sites I was being muted out.

Once I was free to think I took off leaving many behind but putting out a trail for which those that choose to could follow. I follow the science and this is where it has lead me, I take some cues from Meyer's but only if it follows the science. I also took cues from, Albert Bow, Bob Boyce, Dr. Dingel, and a few others. But mostly I took a lot of my cues from mother nature and Viktor Schauberger's teachings. Then I applied what I learned to science utilizing the scientific method. At this point in the game I want to finish what I have started so if I fail I can learn from my mistakes.


h2opower.

[Aaron]

magnetically bonded gas

Looking at the Santilli magnegas patents, many of his claims ARE doable
with the typical browns gas generators even though he makes a big deal
that his is so much different. Browns gas can sublimate tungsten on
contact, etc... in all the ways he claims magnetically bonded gas can
so he either doesn't know that or is trying to make it look like he has
something new to repatent something that already was patented.

The magnegas company is pretty far along in their development and
Santilli claims overunity. There is a good complilation of info on it at
Peswiki that has been there quite a while.

For increasing power of the same volume of gas, the Brown's gas generators
can make 3 different general levels of gas... normal, medium and "hypergas"
that George Wiseman named. But the hypergas seems to not be able to
be produced predictably with a typical setup.

Joe of the Joe cell had demos of the 3 stages of gas too and the 3rd one
is MUCH more powerful for the same volume and none of them use the EEC
concept but it goes to show that it is possible to increase the power you
can get from smaller amounts of gas.

I experienced the hypergas one time in my cell at a friend's car shop and
my friend that ignited it too close almost lost his hearing.

[Radiant_Science]

@Aaron

I too have had a close call with "hypergas"...

Testing a mini series cell, I did a low amperage(10ma), high voltage(110V)..."burn in" process for many, many hours (4 days straight, with periodic flushing)...it was 1gal H2O with 1tsp 50/50 KOH/NaOH
YouTube - HHO Pulse 002


After the the "burn in", the negative sides of all plates developed a black layer (I suspect CrO2)...the positive side developed a BEAUTIFUL iridescent layer with linear geometric designs, much like the structures seen in crystalline silicon solar panels. The colors of this layer were, yellow, orange, and slightly red. (the chemical makeup I can't say for sure, but I suspect Iron ions)

Well, after the initial phase, I used rectified, UNFILTERED, DC from the wall.
Running 1gal tap water, with approximately 2Tbsp 50/50 KOH/NaOH
At first, I was only looking for ions in the water (which ran surprisingly clean).

After I was satisfied with the lack of "gunk" (iron ions, etc)...I collected approximately 20oz of gas...Now, I am very familiar with the explosion of typical, stable H2 and O2.
So, expecting the "norm" I lit the volume of gas in an open container inside my garage. To my surprise, (and those around me)...the explosion was at least 5x's what I expected.
Normally that much gas explodes with the retort of say, an M80 firecracker......this explosion was as loud as my 300wby magnum ...I couldn't hear for 3hrs.

I believe this to be "Nascent Hydrogen"...Langmuir describes it being possible to directly creates this type of hydrogen directly from lead amalgam electrodes...well, I hypothesize that the conditioning process of Stainless, creates a layer with the ability to do the same thing. The layers ARE semi-conductive...they create a diode junction...and it is furthermore hypothesized by myself that the characteristics of these layers support the creation of single atoms of hydrogen. My best "guess" is that the layer creates a "bunching effect" on electrons leaving/entering the water bath...I believe that it interrupts the neutralization of moving water ions...resulting in gaseous release of hydrogen and/or oxygen with a net ionic charge.