Stanley Meyer Explained

[bussi04]

There are no changes in the circuit scheme. I integrated functional vias and adopted the clearance parameter to 0.8 according to tecstatics annotations. To look at the scheme you have to use KiCad. So there is a simple installation instruction for MS$ at http://www.energeticforum.com/78410-post107.html.

greetings,
bussi04

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unfortunately I have detected errors in rev. 0.5. sorry for any inconvenience. there are workarounds and later IŽll make a general correction rev. but before the circuit must be functionally tested in detail and improved by several testers. testers please send a PM to bussi04.

error list http://www.energeticforum.com/77295-post1356.html :
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greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

Thanks Bussi04 for all of your hard work on this. Don't feel as if you are causing any inconvenience to the rest of us as we have to learn the true meaning of patients since it is above our ability to correct any problem you are finding with the circuit, and that goes for me aswell. Learning to be humble is all that is needed to keep the peace.


h2opower.

[bussi04]

test status freedom circuit rev 0.5

Hi folks,

hereŽs a short info update according functionality test of the board:

the original SM Fig. 5 transistor queue (Q3, Q4, Q5) doesnŽt work at all. Q6 is a voltage driven MOSFET (I used IPW60R045) with a certain input capacitance, that makes problems at higher frequencies.
So tomorrow IŽll change the queue by a MOSFET driver type TC4421/TC4429 type especially designed to switch Power Mosfets (thanx to Tecstatic for the tip). IŽll design a workaround for the existing board. But principally the switching functionality works fine

I have tested the voltage regulation for the VIC with Q7 using direct input voltage between 0 and 12V and a resistor to the base input.
Works fine though I had my doubts before.

The OpAmp queue of U16 is outstanding for application and test.

ThatŽs all for now,
things look quite well,
there seem to be no severe problems with the board.

greetings,
bussi04

[bussi04]

more status info for freedom circuit

Now that I have integrated TC4429 switching works extremely well up to the freedom circuitŽs maximum oscillation frequency of 285 kHz for an ohmic 10 ohms resistance switched. ThatŽs phenomenal. A real power chip in connection with the the Power Mosfet used.

So now we have a circuit with switching and linear voltage regulation features so that driving the VIC should work. The voltage regulation using OpAmp U16 doesnŽt work up to now. IŽll see if I can get it run. DonŽt forget: the main feature of the U16 queue is a frequency to analog voltage shift from point J to the darlington. If I donŽt get it run there should be an easy workaround for frequency to voltage shift.
The frequency generation has a wide frequency range and gets gated by U5.

The only thing that hasnŽt been tested up now is the phase lock loop functionality. I canŽt test that at the moment. So the oscillator of the 4046 is running free.

greetings,
bussi04

[sebosfato]

ONLY FOR INFORMATION TO THE USERS...

In other closed forum (i DON'T KNOW WHY) I have found that reply on EEC from HUGTUG USER:


"h2opower doesn't understand basic electronics and for whatever reason Stan Meyer didn't either. Or he understood electronics partially but not fully. I have some faith Stan actually had a working device, similar to how an Atheist still has some faith that there is a almighty personal God.. but almost zero percent.

Electrons are not consumed in a light bulb in the electron extraction circuit. Electrons hit the light bulb and slow down like how they hit a resistor. The electrons are not burnt off or extracted in the lightbulb.

Stan either purposely lied about the electrons being "consumed", or he didn't understand what was going on, or he found a way to get the electrons placed elsewhere (in earth ground, or in the engine metal). They are not burnt off by a light bulb as we would burn wood in a fire.

If people understood basic electronics it would help a lot.

I don't even have electronics education myself, and it was still easy for me to find out that light bulbs do not burn off electrons."

I FULLY AGREE WITH THIS USER.. in fact destroy or consume electrons isn't possible and I think is a fake created from Stan Meyer for copiers, exist other simple method for separate or not riassociate electrons to the atoms nucleo. If you are focalized on MEYER EEC you lost only some time and moneys

I already said this many time ago! electrons are not consumed! They still there! However the energy of their flow is used to make the system work.

Stan knew very well the electronics and used this to take people far from the system misleading them. But is part of the system operability in a different way.

[Aaron]

Meyers military manual?

H2O or anybody,

Have you seen reference to Meyer's mention of a military manual with
applications of his technology like submarines, etc...? Nobody ever mentions
that.

[bussi04]

SM military applications

H2O or anybody,

Have you seen reference to Meyer's mention of a military manual with
applications of his technology like submarines, etc...? Nobody ever mentions
that.

Hi Aaron,

appended file is not Stan MeyerŽs military manual but nevertheless interesting information according to military applications for SM technology.

And there are two of MeyerŽs News Releases dealing with military issues: http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...tters-no-3.pdf and http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...tters-no-4.pdf.

Enjoy,

bussi04

[h20power]

H2O or anybody,

Have you seen reference to Meyer's mention of a military manual with
applications of his technology like submarines, etc...? Nobody ever mentions
that.

Hi Aaron,

No, I haven't seen them unless those that Bussi04 posted are the ones you are talking about, then yes I have read them.

Other news: Someone that calls himself "Dynodon64" on You Tube posted these video's of some of Stanley Meyer's stuff. One of these devices I have never seen before, the plate WFC and controler that seems to go along with it. Even as advanced as I am with Stanely Meyer type technology I learned something new from viewing these, hope you do too

YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #1
YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #2
YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #3


h2opower.

[Aaron]

thank you!

Thank you!

I think that hypedrive concept is what Meyer was referring to.
He discusses it in the NZ vids but just brief mention.

There is supposed to be a complete military manual on his tech,
but I'm sure it's deep 6'd.

[h20power]

Hi Everyone,

In the video I learned that the WFC used when Meyer was using the gaseous type system to run the buggy each of the individual tubes has it's very own VIC circuitry as can be seen here:

For the WFC has eleven tubes in it and there are eleven VIC circuits shown to control the system. Why, you might be wondering is it needed to have each tube have it's very own VIC transformer? For me the answer is simple, if you try and make one VIC transformer run more than one tube each tube must match perfectly in capacitance for all of the tubes connected to the the VIC transformer to resonate at the same frequency. Hence the slits cut in the tubes of the Alternator driven WFC with nine tube having these slits cut into the tubes. The slits are to match each tube perfectly to each other so that they are hit resonance at the same frequency. In the 1st video when he shows the old WFC you can see if that not all the slits are cut to the same length, one has no slits in it at all. It's just like balancing an engines connecting rods, the one with the least weight doesn't get ground on at all and all the other heavier rods get ground down to match the lightest rods weight.

This is just one of the many reason Stanley Meyer switched to the direct water injection system as each injector is being fired at a different time thus only one VIC transformer and circuitry could do the job. Now if you get an engine where it has timing overlaps then you have to make more than one VIC transformer to run the engine, say like a V10 or greater. Now in looking at the video in great detail I can see no separate chambers in the water injectors, in fact I can see no electrical isolation from the spark plug wires coming from the distributer to the spark plugs at all, so the modified distributer must some how isolate the two from each other in some way, perhaps an air gap like in the Tesla coils was used and the rotor had two separate leads going to two differently lengthened connections. Or there is no connection at all and the Gas Processor's ionized air is breaking down the fine fog like water mist being injected into the combustion chamber when the spark plug is fired. For me only further testing will let me know the answer to those questions as I already have a Gas Processor built.

Now in looking at the math of the process it is clear that the ionized air gases have enough energy to break down the water molecule, they just need a spark to get the reaction started, and if it is in a diesel type engine then the hydrogen would auto ignite when the rapidly compressed air reached 500 C and kick starts the reaction between the ionized air gases and the fog like water vapor. The reason I call it "fog like" is the size of the water droplets are just about the same as the water droplet size found in fog as spec'd out in the Canadian patent on the water injectors. Temperature/pressure manipulation can also make this easier to achieve the fog like water droplets size as I shown with my talks on the phase diagram of water with respect to this technology.

Note I was wrong in my earlier guess with the 11 VIC transformer pic, but not by much as I didn't know it had 11 tubes in it, I only thought it had nine.



Now on the VIC transformer shown in the video, the colors I think I have identified. Yellow is the primary, green the feed back coil, blue the secondary, two red the first set of chokes, and the dark grey the second set of chokes would be the SS wire bifilar wrapped. This is for anyone still wanting to use the WFC for running a car or anything else with that type of set up, as the injector now seem a whole lot less complex and cost effective.

Now again the slits seen in the tubes are to balance the system so they all hit resonance at the same frequency and then can be driven to produce hydrogen and oxygen gas as a unit. Hope that furthers everyones understanding a bit more,


h2opower.

[tutanka]

Now in looking at the math of the process it is clear that the ionized air gases have enough energy to break down the water molecule, they just need a spark to get the reaction started, and if it is in a diesel type engine then the hydrogen would auto ignite when the rapidly compressed air reached 500 C and kick starts the reaction between the ionized air gases and the fog like water vapor. The reason I call it "fog like" is the size of the water droplets are just about the same as the water droplet size found in fog as spec'd out in the Canadian patent on the water injectors. Temperature/pressure manipulation can also make this easier to achieve the fog like water droplets size as I shown with my talks on the phase diagram of water with respect to this technology.

Dear h2opower,
If you think that is needed only ionized air for break water molecules you mistake a lot. Or you don't have understand or you don't want ask properly. Is needed other component, and you know that, for start the correct chain reaction.. In this post some time you have written that you are oriented to an free energy world but is true or you are oriented only to make moneys?

[h20power]

From: Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System

In the injector, water mist (forming droplets in the range, for example, of from 10 to 250 microns and above, with size being related to voltage intensity) is injected into fuel-mixing and polarizing zone by way of water spray nozzles 1A1. The tendency of water to form a bead or droplet is a parameter related to droplet mist size and voltage intensity. Ionized air gases and non-combustible gases, introduced through nozzles 2A1 and 3A1, are intermixed with the expelling water mist to form a fuel-mixture which enters into voltage zone 6 where the mixture is exposed to a pulsating, unipolar high intensity voltage field (typically 20,000 volts at 50 KHz or above at the resonant condition in which current flow in the circuit [amps] is reduced to a minimum), created between electrodes 7 and 8.

Water droplet size of fog:

Clouds fog and water droplets

...in any one cloud the drops range greatly in size from 1 to 100 micron dia.

Now as a friendly reminder, tutanka and sebosfato where put on the ignore list due to the fact they only try to upset the happy balance of information and only have negative things to say as personal attacks towards me and my views on Stanley Meyers technology. So to make the thread read easier put them on your ignore list too as I will not be engaging them in any way, shape, or form of talks what so ever on this thread, thanks for your understanding.

Now back to work;

The math of the process for the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now adding in what the gas processor is doing you get this: Stanley Meyer said he stripped four or more electrons off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.
The ionized oxygen atoms have more than enough energy content to break down the water molecule, but they need a spark or ignition source to start the reaction, and as told in the patent the water droplet size has to be from 10 to 250 microns or above. The larger the droplet size the more energy is needed to break the bonds of the water molecule. The gas processor is the one striping the electrons from the oxygen atom flowing through it coming from the outside air supply. All of Stanley Meyer's work on this is about electric fields and moving media. The moving media is what is changing with all of his designs, the WFC the medium is water, the injectors the medium is fog, and the gas processor the medium is air. Now with both Stanley Meyer methods he employed for use on his dune buggy the gas processor was a vital part of the system as it is found in both systems.

The one thing that stands out in this thread compared to any and all talks found on the internet is I talk of energy content, and show energy content calculations. I am also the only one talking about the Gas Processor and Electron Extraction Circuit, plus more. Trust me your not going to find this type of information on the net any place but here for now and other places I have chosen to place this information.

Enjoy the gift of energy independence,

h2opower.

[h20power]

Hi Bussi,

Now the voltage amplitude control circuit works, right? Then let us put on any phase lock on to that as the control for the unit is circuit 4. That should solve the problem if you are having a lot of difficulties with the Freedom circuit. The main thing I saw that was missing was a means to control the voltage amplitude independent of the frequency and pulsing train, and that circuit works so lets to it the easy way and keep it simple at the same time. As we know where to get the pulsing for the EEC/LEDs at lets try and get this up and running with any phase locking circuit that will get the job done.

I need to run some test on the fog like water mist and the circuit is a big part of that test. The GP may just as well run the whole show if my calculations are correct, it wont have as much power as with the modified injectors but it should still be more powerful than gasoline. Thanks for you help with all of this as you can see you work is very much appreciated.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

DEAR H2OGOD...
You wrote:
The ionized oxygen atoms have more than enough energy content to break down the water molecule, but they need a spark or ignition source to start the reaction, and as told in the patent the water droplet size has to be from 10 to 250 microns or above.

If that is true and you have finished GP, that are months that you are working on, you can prove that simple.. as you wrote you NEED ONLY MIX ionizer GP air with water fog and use as activation energy only normal spark. Let to your people that you have true, create an little video.. from that as result you must obtain THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.

But.....I'm sure that you don't proceed in that way for the only one reason... that process DON'T WORK BECAUSE ISN'T COMPLETE.

With your words from super God you are deceiving all.

I agree with you about GP. GP is fundamental for obtain right reaction but IONIZED GASES, you create not only OXYGEN IONIZED BUT ALSO NITROGEN IONIZED, are created from GP and used for 4 reasons:

1) ionized air (oxygen and nitrogen ionized) automized and vaporize water droplets
2) Create an conductive gas (plasma) that is used as natural electrolyte for split water with HV field
3) Only the nitrogen ionized (inert gas) absorb electrons from HV phase in chambre of combustion
4) Contain oxygen needed for combustion

But in all case you mistake that is needed other IMPORTANT COMPONENT , without that ANYTHING can reach the right chain reaction that create THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.

P.S.
I forget .. referring to EEC... exist a very simple method for absorb REALLY the electrons from air trought internal reaction into GP.. without use strange lamp or magical circuits.

[tutanka]

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