Stanley Meyer Explained

[pmazz850]

GP= Gas Processor

[sebosfato]

Boys and girls i just have to say that i have found a second way to do it!! !! not as efficient as the first i have found but both can be used together those are not correlated to the gas processor. Didn't touched the GP yet.

The second one is described in detail in one of stan patents

Have a nice year every one.

[rosco1]

sebosfato

Boys and girls i just have to say that i have found a second way to do it!! !! not as efficient as the first i have found but both can be used together those are not correlated to the gas processor. Didn't touched the GP yet.

The second one is described in detail in one of stan patents

Have a nice year every one.

There is often more than 1 way to skin a cat!

[Aaron]

Tutanka - new thread

Tutanka,

I started a new thread for you to explore your ideas because it seems
you are doing something different.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...masat-hho.html

I would be interested if you could concentrate your suggestions or advice
in there. Again, you're ionizing moisture or air and adding it to hho.

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

I started a new thread for you to explore your ideas because it seems
you are doing something different.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...masat-hho.html

I would be interested if you could concentrate your suggestions or advice
in there. Again, you're ionizing moisture or air and adding it to hho.

HI Aaron,
First of all ... I'm an italian researcher and engineer and sorry I can't have an my thread, I have signed an NDA about that.. However I can explain my idea. Some peoples, including Sebosfato, don't consider that; all are oriented to create an great amount of gas but the gas formed with hydrogen is very volatile and have little molecules, after some tests on standard engines the same result is that gas is lost trought piston rings and valves if send normally trought manifold inlet. For that more companies like BMW was oriented to create direct injection of hydrogen in chambre of combustion. And you have to consider other important point, water gas interact a lot with metals parts inside engine, for that, to peoples orientend to use that gas, I suggest treatment of ceramization of cylinder, head of piston and chambre of combustion. However my studies are oriented to the creation of new molecular mixture that can be used normally inside standard engines. In part is the same concept of Meyer. If you analyze injector you found that in fact is an compact WFC minicell. Air treatment with GP, as previously written, is necessary to start the chain reaction for obtain thermal explosive energy. But method explained from h2opower for me isn't correct .. you have to anaylize the words " thermal explosive energy".. For h2opower only oxygen ionized and destabilized is necessary, mixed with water fog, to create thermal explosive energy.. For that I suggest to all peoples to demand an video that prove that first to spent other moneys for an doubt project.

[h20power]

Thanks Aaron as their ideas and my ideas mix together like oil and water.

Now back to talking about why Stanley Meyer used one VIC transformer plus circuitry with one tube set. When you have a circuit like this set to run in a resonance condition having two or more capacitor wired in parallel or series you run into the problem of one of them not going into resonance at the same time as the rest and the circuit has no way of knowing this is taking place. So, to have all tubes run at a resonant condition you have to give it it's very own VIC/circuitry. Even if the tubes somehow get a fraction of a degree off of each other it would mess up the resonance and trying to balance all of them takes a lot of time and effort and a simple bump on the road can mess up hours upon hours of work. That is the reason why Stanley Meyer used one tube set per VIC transformer and circuitry, cut the guess work out and get straight to the results the way they need to be in order to run the dune buggy.

But later on he scraped that idea and went with the direct water injection system which, due to the firing order, allowed the use of only one VIC transformer and resonant locking circuitry. This allowed him to cut the cost and decrease the size and amount of components considerably. And that cut weight from the vehicle which improves fuel economy. Which is why I wrote this thread in the first place to talk about Stanley Meyer's end product before his untimely death. Unlike most talks on the world wide web I started with the Gas Processor as it was to be found in both Stanley Meyer's gaseous and water injection systems and went from system to system of the whole technology, not just focusing on the VIC transformer and the Water Fuel Capacitor. I put in a lot of science to go along with the work of Stanley Meyers to aid in our understanding of just what was taking place in how the system was operating, giving video examples from MIT and others that I found that might more help with the understanding of it all.

Now for those that haven't been keeping pace we are now on the circuitry and a means to control it for beginning engine trails and/or other testing to prove and explore the concepts more. This is a long thread just as Stanley Meyer's technical brief is long for there is a lot of information to go over when talking about the whole water injection system. Plus I got too many request on the old gaseous system that took up space in this thread also. Now in this long thread I was able to show that Stanley Meyer found not just one way to break down the water molecule but two totally different ways to break down the water molecule. We found out that there are two different types of VIC transformers plus I made clear all the strange words Meyer used when talking about the VIC transformer. Talked about the reasons for the need of the Steam Resonator with its relationship to the phase diagram of water and droplet size being injected into the voltage zone of the injectors. We talked about the light interaction with the atoms and the electron extraction circuit and what is it's role in the system. I really don't think I left anything out in this thread as I intended on helping out my fellow man with the gift of energy independence. Once the circuitry is up and running I don't really see anything getting in the way of all of us becoming energy independent. This is a do it yourself thread in that you are going to have to build the items needed on your own, how you get them built is up to you.

You will find after reading this thread Stanley Meyer's patent reads much differently as there is not a lot of guessing going on and a whole lot more understanding as to what he is talking about will be takning place. But the key word there is "Read" for if you don't read it you will never know what is in it. I can bring a horse to water but I can't make him drink.

Well, that's it for now, Godspeed everyone!


h2opower.

[bussi04]

Hi Bussi,

Now the voltage amplitude control circuit works, right? Then let us put on any phase lock on to that as the control for the unit is circuit 4. That should solve the problem if you are having a lot of difficulties with the Freedom circuit. The main thing I saw that was missing was a means to control the voltage amplitude independent of the frequency and pulsing train, and that circuit works so lets to it the easy way and keep it simple at the same time. As we know where to get the pulsing for the EEC/LEDs at lets try and get this up and running with any phase locking circuit that will get the job done.

I need to run some test on the fog like water mist and the circuit is a big part of that test. The GP may just as well run the whole show if my calculations are correct, it wont have as much power as with the modified injectors but it should still be more powerful than gasoline. Thanks for you help with all of this as you can see you work is very much appreciated.


h2opower.

@all
home again
I take up my experiments with CD4046B immediately. maybe my statement was missleading. I´ll get CD4046B work fine - no doubt. I don´t want to change it at all. it´s a standard device and using the right parameters it will work. the only irritation came up because I used a Texas Instruments datasheet with poor print quality all the time and then I changed to a Phillips 74HC7046 data sheet to get more informations. that was another device according to comparator and lock indicator. I didn´t see the difference. my mistake . thanks to chasson321 and tecstatic I can see that now. thanks to both of yours´. the other irritation came up because the whole circuit has been "decoded" from Meyer´s diagrams in another forum group in 2007 and they put the devices and values into the circuit diagrams. I got all these informations but didn´t see a success report from 2007. so I thought they might have failed or finished with a non working circuit description because it doesn´t make sence for me to use both different comparators at the same time

@tecstatic
I´ll follow the line you drew setting up the values and isolating some of the pins. the ICAN-6101 document I haven´t found, only several links to the keyword in other documents. first I´ll start without your ICAN-0601, let´s see if it becomes necessary.

stay tuned,
more infos soon,

greetings,
bussi04

[bussi04]

Tutanka,

I started a new thread for you to explore your ideas because it seems
you are doing something different.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...masat-hho.html

I would be interested if you could concentrate your suggestions or advice
in there. Again, you're ionizing moisture or air and adding it to hho.

@Aaron
thank you very much.

@tutanka
I´ll follow your thoughts in a thread of your own as I did when Sebofato made his own. I would prefer to get detailed and consistent information instead of suggestions.

greetings,
bussi04

[sebosfato]

I'm not saying is impossible to ionize the oxygen ok. I'm just saying the numbers H20 provided does not hold as an energy source ok.
go to ionizationx and find the last threads on estate stanley meyer videos by dynodon

[tutanka]

I'm not saying is impossible to ionize the oxygen ok. I'm just saying the numbers H20 provided does not hold as an energy source ok.
go to ionizationx and find the last threads on estate stanley meyer videos by dynodon

HI Sebosfato,
Meyer simply use the ELECTRIC FIELD IONIZATION.. This method can yield high concentration of ions and higher charges of the ions (2+, 3+, 4+ or higher
charges)..

[h20power]

I'm not saying is impossible to ionize the oxygen ok. I'm just saying the numbers H20 provided does not hold as an energy source ok.
go to ionizationx and find the last threads on estate stanley meyer videos by dynodon

Sorry I wont go there as when I was there I lost my freedom of speech and deleted all of my thoughts as a result. I will ask you this in writing, "Please stop posting in my threads as I don't share your point of view," and that goes for tutanka as well! Please leave me to my thoughts and I will do the same unto you.

@ Aaron, thanks for trying to maintain the peace here, but if you will please block these two from posting in my thread as they don't intend on leaving me to my thoughts or please shut this thread down. I will no longer tolerate these blatant attacks without provocation as I have reached my breaking point !


h2opower.

[Aaron]

@All

please block these two from posting in my thread as they don't intend on leaving me to my thoughts or please shut this thread down.

@H2O,
It don't believe people can be selectively blocked in different threads.
However, you can put anyone on an ignore list and their posts won't
show up. The option is in User CP.

@Sebosfato & Tutanka,
Nobody here is interested in censorship. I started a thread for Tutanka
and you could post about ionization or whatever there.

@Tutanka, if that thread name isn't desireable since you have a NDA,
I can start another specifically for Water Fuel Ionization or something.

[Aaron]

other thread

I moved posts in the other thread to this:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ater-fuel.html

For Tutanka and similar concepts, please limit them to that thread as
it is specific to ionization and whatever else that doesn't fit into the
perspective shared in this thread.

[h20power]

@H2O,
It don't believe people can be selectively blocked in different threads.
However, you can put anyone on an ignore list and their posts won't
show up. The option is in User CP.

@Sebosfato & Tutanka,
Nobody here is interested in censorship. I started a thread for Tutanka
and you could post about ionization or whatever there.

@Tutanka, if that thread name isn't desireable since you have a NDA,
I can start another specifically for Water Fuel Ionization or something.

Hi Aaron,

The reason why is people that are visitors can't use that ignore list and I have place this thread for people wanting to know just how Stanley Meyer did what he did in the more information box in this video: YouTube - Stanley Meyer's water car's first run They would have to sift through all the confusion of 180 degree points of view, and like you said the thread is long. It is so long that not even you are willing to read it all and what is that saying to those wanting freedom from the energy sellers. "If it is too long it's not worth our time so it is better to stay in our current lives as slaves to the energy sellers?" That being said then since Stanley Meyer's technical brief is so long that once again no one is willing to read it?

Say if I put out a video and attach it to the first summary I made of Stanley Meyers' technology then everyone in the world would miss it since it is too long of a thread? If I do make a video showing a working model then what do you think my response to all questioners will be? Read the thread for it's all in there will be my answer to those types of questions. But again my primary concern is for those that visit this thread looking to learn just how Stanley Meyer was able to make use of water as a source of fuel.

People don't seem to understand that the by product of gasoline is mostly water for it is mostly made up of hydrogen. Water unlike gasoline doesn't have carbon in it, which is the primary reason for engine failure, known as "Carbon build up." Carbon gets into the piston rings and makes things too tight causing more heat due to friction of parts now totally out of the manufactures tolerances. This excess heat causes premature seal failure of just about all rubber components. Then there is the problem of burn rate as gasoline is on the slow side and some of the fuel never gets burnt and gets pumped out the exhaust system. When the car is cold the catalytic converter is allowing these hydro-carbons to escape freely into the atmosphere. Which is why if you take your car in to be smog tested if it is cold more than like the car fails the test and the tester tells you to drive around for about an hour or more. Then the excessive heat creates Nitrogen Monoxide (NO) from the nitrogen that passes through the system taken from the outside air that we breath. Some of the oxygen also gets used up to make Carbon Monoxide (CO). Now these are the two gases that give us that brown haze in our skies and make the air unfit to breath during hot weather as they then fall down to ground level. NO makes Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) when NO combines with ozone and sunlight, and that makes acid rain. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is also made in the combustion chamber but that is fine as the plants need it to live. The other three gases plus the unburnt hydrocarbons are the ones messing everything up. Mother nature did not evolve with those gases present in our atmosphere as a result they tend to mess up everything we hold dear and love.

Now NO can also be made in a hydrogen burning engine (HICE) so the temperatures have to be kept down to avoid this. When the HICE is up to operating temperature the water that gets past the oil seal boils off and goes through the valve cover vent and also in the crankcase vents which in most cars are routed to travel through the combustion chamber so water build up in the oil system is not going to be an issue. The ventilation of all these types of vents are at a vacuum and that even lowers the boiling point of water. So again water in the oil will not be a problem. When a head gasket blows out and you see the milky oil it is due to the antifreeze not the water. Antifreeze and oil will mix together, oil and water will not. I don't talk about these things as I figure, naturally, the whole world knows! The main reason I shoot down the idea of Nitrogen is it's creation into NO will put you back into trouble with the clean air act and NO2 can not be created in the combustion chamber as I have already shown here: http://www.energeticforum.com/64572-post924.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/64612-post926.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/64675-post930.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/64950-post946.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/65090-post972.html

As always I hope this aids everyones understanding.


h2opower.

[dave_cahoon]

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