Stanley Meyer Explained

[1NRG24Seven]

CD Burner laser diodes

Hey, How are you doing been awhile, huh? How you get it too convert is with coherent light and the right wave lengths, everyone's gotta do their own homework on that one. Plus the job of the EEC also works to towards that goal by consuming negetive electrons that have just been freshly striped by the gas processor. But trust me this is it

Take care,
h2opower.

Hello H20 I think your on the right path as thats what I concluded also. A year ago you commented on one of two videos i have on you tube under this same nic videos showing a few WFC.

I was focusing on the injector/processor and seems to me Stan mentioned a 10mw lazer. Now if your an inventor and you come up with an Idea lets say like Stan here to use light, your not going to reinvent the lazer but your going to look for off the shelf parts already readily available. So logicaly Stan was looking for a readily available 10mw lazer unit compact and ready to incorperate into his unit. So i started looking at what sort of lasers were being made around the time he would have been able to test this theory and I believe they are the laser diodes found in common CD burners rated at 10mw. CD burners have been around since CDs have been. Just a thought. Keep up the good work. 24

[h20power]

Hi and thanks 1NRG24Seven,

I agree with you too. The question I will look up a bit later is how to tell mcd vs mw as the LEDs I got are 25k mcd and higher up to 55K mcd. One thing I wasn't worried about was being able to out do Stanley Meyer on his laser power for technology has advanced much in this area since his death. For me I just need the controlling circuitry and the testing begins, just like Stanley Meyer's gas gun I have 96 LEDs total in my version of the gas processor for testing.
It is already built as you can see and is just waiting on the controlling circuitry so it can be hooked up to the Jetta for testing. I know one thing if I decide to take a look down the tube when it is in operation that will be the last time I take a look with my eyes as it should do very significant damage to my retina. The warning came with the LEDs . But interesting side note I can't buy them anymore as one company has gone out of business and the other stop producing the LEDs I purchased. I even had a very hard time in getting the high voltage diodes at a decent price and bifilar wire also. They wanted to charge me $17/ft for the wire here in the US.

We are focused on the same then as I opened up this thread to have talks of the water fuel injection system and all it's varying parts that went along with it. When it comes to the others that where trying to put salt in my game I now see that they have a vested interest in seeing I am made to look like a fool who doesn't know what he is talking about. One call the people that follow my work sheep and seems to want to cut the heard toward his thread so they can contribute to his efforts, and the other has money interest tied in a NDA sell your soul to the devil type of agreement with someone trying to produce the technology for sell or for some hefty government grant money. Just follow the money is what they say, right? Anyway now that I know that I can put things into perspective a lot better when they do post on my thread from now on.

Thanks for sharing that you came to the same conclusions also, for it shows I am not alone in my line of thinking.


h2opower.

[1NRG24Seven]

Now that looks like a serious unit...heheheh
can't wait see er pulsed up.

I also found it interesting that Stan did not think it much of a problem to make any amout of HHO nessesary to even power an ocean liner..and we are worrying about 7 liters per minute for a VW motor. Stans technology far exceeded any limitations if he was working with Perkins Diesel on engines of that magnitude. This cell you made looks like it could produce some serious amounts of processed gas. So...like us red necks say "Lets Get Er DONE" ...24

[1NRG24Seven]

You made mention of wire also...maybe for the bifiller coils , not sure.

A few years back I bought a water treatment plant from the Burue of Reclaimation. This water treatment system involved some 10 Tons wort of equipment and control ciruits and huge electrical vaults. The system incorperated two 600 gallon Stainless Steel tanks which each had 108 ultra violet light tubes inside of Quartz test tubes about 60" long each. Each set of two Ultraviolet tubes had a transformer to power the pair. Like a Flourecent Light tranformer, just a different voltage/amp for thses special tubes. I believe the frequency you'll be looking for is close to Ultraviolet as this produces pure Ozone which is pure Oxygen at a higher level. Ozone is produced naturally bu the sun hitting large bodies of water. Anyway...the wire that these lamps and transformers were hooked up with has been a mystery to me until i seen this thread
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tive-wire.html
I think this is what this stuff is but have not been able to confirm it yet
I have loads of this wire, don't know if some of it would do you any good. In fact its the same wire you seen in my video you commented on wired up to the tube WFC.

Let me know if you would like to try some of it
Best wishes
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[Tecstatic]

@bussi

How goes ?
If you have problems with the circuit, please don't sit alone with the problems.

PM me if you like. I am available the next 3 hours, and then surely after 8 hours from now, maybe before. I may disappear shortly from the forum for other uses of the computer.

@h20power

Keep up your positive thoughts. Just consider the attacks as an attempt to conserve "their" business model, and think no more of that. Focus on your vision, that is surely a positive thing.

Count me in to assist in getting some working electronics soon.

Regarding the availability of the LEDs, I am thinking of ultraviolet CFLs which exist in different types, some are used to sterilize water used in greenhouses.

Maybe it could be a solution to put such a tube inside the GP, and surround the tube with a fine mesh like you use for the EEC, so light can pass through and we have the electrical surface also.

@1NRG24Seven



Eric

[bussi04]

@bussi

How goes ?
If you have problems with the circuit, please don't sit alone with the problems.

PM me if you like. I am available the next 3 hours, and then surely after 8 hours from now, maybe before. I may disappear shortly from the forum for other uses of the computer.

@h20power

Keep up your positive thoughts. Just consider the attacks as an attempt to conserve "their" business model, and think no more of that. Focus on your vision, that is surely a positive thing.

Count me in to assist in getting some working electronics soon.

Regarding the availability of the LEDs, I am thinking of ultraviolet CFLs which exist in different types, some are used to sterilize water used in greenhouses.

Maybe it could be a solution to put such a tube inside the GP, and surround the tube with a fine mesh like you use for the EEC, so light can pass through and we have the electrical surface also.

@1NRG24Seven



Eric

@tecstatic

Hi eric,

Iīm still alive Some minutes ago I have got the PLL book from Roland Best. The post service fooled me and gave me neither a ring at the door nor a note that the book has been delivered to the neighborhood. So I was lucky to be informed by the neighbor a few minutes ago.
I have put the CD4046 to a lab pinboard and have alle choices to connect or disconnect any pin to freedom circuit.

I want to share my thoughts with you according to the functionality:

facts:
1. the resonance frequency of my tank transformer is 4065 hz (not 950 hz) indicated by maximum voltage at the resonating capacitorand maximum amp in the driver path (p13 - p14).
2. center frequency of U4 adjusted to 4065 hz, range +- 1500 hz

questions:
1. how does the pll detect in fact the resonant condition? voltage or phase shift?

Now I must interrupt for 90 minutes.

Next step Iīll measure and describe the signal conditions at P3 - P 4 in low voltage and high voltage condition at p13 - p14. the same with pin 14 at U4.
And Iīll read the relevant sections of the pll book

to be continued soon ...

greetings,
bussi04

[Tecstatic]

@tecstatic

facts:
1. the resonance frequency of my tank transformer is 4065 hz (not 950 hz) indicated by maximum voltage at the resonating capacitorand maximum amp in the driver path (p13 - p14).
2. center frequency of U4 adjusted to 4065 hz, range +- 1500 hz

questions:
1. how does the pll detect in fact the resonant condition? voltage or phase shift?


Next step Iīll measure and describe the signal conditions at P3 - P 4 in low voltage and high voltage condition at p13 - p14. the same with pin 14 at U4.
And Iīll read the relevant sections of the pll book

to be continued soon ...

greetings,
bussi04

Hi bussi,

Fact 1.

As you describe it the primary and secondary does not have the same resonant frequency, I did not expect the frequencies to be the same, and it does not matter, you are fine with what you have, the extra consumption is irrelevant in this test.

Fact 2. Nice, thats OK.

Question 1

Below resonance the capacitor has the largest impedance, above resonance the inductance has the largest impedance, so around the resonance you will experience a phase shift, and that is what the 4046 are looking for (phase comparator).

The feedback voltage is the voltage across the parallel of the 240V coil and your tuning capacitor.

Good luck

Eric

[Tecstatic]

Bussi,

One more thing.

The way you connect the feedback wires to P3 and P4 is important. One way you get negative feedback and a C10 voltage being stable and constant, which will result in lock on the resonance frequency.

Inverting the wires, will result in positive feedback, so you get ripple on the C10 capacitor voltage, and thus the VCO will be frequency modulated. we don't want that, we need a stable voltage on C10 which results in a stable frequency on the VCO output on U4 pin 4.

Eric

[bussi04]

Hi bussi,
...
The feedback voltage is the voltage across the parallel of the 240V coil and your tuning capacitor.

Good luck

Eric

Ahhhh, I didnīt know that because the real VIC has a separate feedback windings.
When there is a phase shift at resonance I can understand better that this can be identified independent from driver voltage and amp flow in the HV part.

to be continued soon ...

greetings,
bussi04

[sebosfato]

H20 I'm not against you i like you very much, because you kept the fire alive here and i respect you very much. The only thing is that you don't show up what you have, or want to do, or need to do, or what you are doing or your problems. So it only seems like you say that you already have something working when is not true and that makes me a bit sad hehe. sorry!

I help you for free! please don't take in consideration that i asked for donations on my thread, i need them because i'm all in this thing, and having troubles to arrive the end of the month! The gas processor is something i can't test now because of my situation. But help you don't cost me any. So if i can i do it with pleasure.


I'm the first to want to help you if you need anything. I'm the most interested person in any thing related to energy and hydrogen in the world. Post your problems and what you haven't figured out and i'm going to clear it up to help you.

Please lets stop this kind of fight of points of view. Is none sense and not productive.

Tell us whatever you are missing to do your tests? I'm going to help you. When you do them you will find out the next step to go. It doesn't matter how much energy you need to input ok you just need to prove the concept that ionized gas in contact with water generate h2 and or that it can increase the thermal energy. Concentrate on this for now.

If you need to use 1000 watts 10000 watts does not mater ok. you just need to find a way to ionize efficiently and be able to check the results.

Peace

[bussi04]

enough is enough!

H20 I'm not against you i like you very much, because you kept the fire alive here and i respect you very much. The only thing is that you don't show up what you have, or want to do, or need to do, or what you are doing or your problems. So it only seems like you say that you already have something working when is not true and that makes me a bit sad hehe. sorry!

I help you for free! please don't take in consideration that i asked for donations on my thread, i need them because i'm all in this thing, and having troubles to arrive the end of the month! The gas processor is something i can't test now because of my situation. But help you don't cost me any. So if i can i do it with pleasure.


I'm the first to want to help you if you need anything. I'm the most interested person in any thing related to energy and hydrogen in the world. Post your problems and what you haven't figured out and i'm going to clear it up to help you.

Please lets stop this kind of fight of points of view. Is none sense and not productive.

Tell us whatever you are missing to do your tests? I'm going to help you. When you do them you will find out the next step to go. It doesn't matter how much energy you need to input ok you just need to prove the concept that ionized gas in contact with water generate h2 and or that it can increase the thermal energy. Concentrate on this for now.

If you need to use 1000 watts 10000 watts does not mater ok. you just need to find a way to ionize efficiently and be able to check the results.

Peace

@sebosfato
Sir, please sit down and stop your activities in this thread! If you were a friend of ours I would not have had to report your recent post ("BS", "boys and girls" etc. - do you remember?) and it would not have been erased by the administrator. your offensive statements reveal your contemptious setting according to our common operations to produce a high powered technical application! donīt think we are silly! those guys working for a common result are intelligent and well skilled adult persons here.
do you really think that you can change your affilation by your recent post?
No, you canīt! Donīt try to be a cameleon. We can see you anyway.
your tools are discord, temptation and begging. No, thank you for all of that!
you have lost seriousness for a long time now and your behaviour shows that you donīt honour open minded interlocutors.
I stated that I followed your ideas in your own thread, but I do no longer accept your impertinence.
IMO your whole behaviour perfectly fits to the definition of the topic MOBBING.
Please look up the meaning of "modesty" and feel ashame!
Thank you, bye bye!
Donīt try to start a discussion with me, your behaviour for the last few months has made me come to my conclusions and now you know my personal opinion according to yours.

respectfully

[1NRG24Seven]

Thank You very much Techstatic

I have hundreds of such ultraviolet CFLs but they are very long at 5 feet each. I know that 20 inch tubes with quarts liners are about $1,250 already made for use to kill algea in ponds. The units come with the transformer and two tubes inside of a PVC housing with water inlet and outlets. The tubes themselves are quartz as quartz has no lead in it like glass does which blocks UV radiation. Im thinking the US Government spent minimum of $1,000.00 Just for each 60" quartz liner that the UV CFL sat in. The quartz liner looks like a long test tube 1" outside dia.
I have over 200 sets of tubes available. I have given a few away and broke several as the quartz is delicate. The only way to cut and fuse this stuff is with HHO gas torch. The tubes could be cut down and fused to any size. But one would have to know what types gas was used inside. My closest guess is Argon as thats also what is used in the Tesla Violet Ray Generators. I also have a few of those with tube fictures.
This ultraviolet light is very intence, if you look at it while on for even 15 seconds you'll wake up with your eyes on fire and think your going blind. These tubes also produce huge amounts of ozone which will tickle and burn the nose sences a bit. I am happy to donate a few for the thread if you thought it might help further this research. Only problem is, is to get them shipped without breakage. I guess I could insure them for $1,000 each and if they break would just help fund more research. I bought the intire water treatment plant from the government for a song. I am guessing they had well over 2 million into this project, and that is a conserative estiment.

Good work team
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[bussi04]

Bussi,

One more thing.

The way you connect the feedback wires to P3 and P4 is important. One way you get negative feedback and a C10 voltage being stable and constant, which will result in lock on the resonance frequency.

Inverting the wires, will result in positive feedback, so you get ripple on the C10 capacitor voltage, and thus the VCO will be frequency modulated. we don't want that, we need a stable voltage on C10 which results in a stable frequency on the VCO output on U4 pin 4.

Eric

@tecstatic
Hi eric,
now that I use the 240V wirering over a 5,6 KOhm resistor to p3-p4 I get a rectangular input signal at pin14 of U4.

I have noticed 2 errors up to now:
1. pin13 of U4 needs a pullup resistor because itīs tristate. now that the n-type mosfet switches there is rectangular output instead of permanent 0V. and so there is an integrated voltage at pin3 of U6B (nearly constant high with short spikes to 0V)
2. the oscillator frequency of U3 is 8 kHz, must be lower to regulate the vco output frequency (at least for 4 kHz resonance frequency itīs too fast).

Thatīs a bit progress for today. The calculation for the low pass filter I have not understood up yet. I try to get it right using the PLL-book, otherwise I PM you tomorrow to get it understood.

you are right, in general the circuit dynamics of CD4046 show that it operates. itīs a matter of fine tuning.

greetings,
bussi04

[h20power]

Respectfully i already have Over unity factor of at least 500 cop times energy multiplication factor with energy output in h2. So big deal for me is done, i have almost no problem to leave you alone to try your ideas, but as i'm a very special person, i still fell sorry about you anyway. Sorry to say this but If you were more humble (humility) you wouldn't lost the opportunity to have my help.


However (boys and girls) wasn't an attack was just like say hello, and that post was just to try to make you understand you need energy to the process keep going. And it don't comes from the alternator or battery. And to say that this process also don't break any law of thermodynamics. Said this i wait for a help call otherwise you wont see me here again.

thanks,
Best Regards
Sebosfato

But I ask you to stop posting in my thread, I don't need your help, never did. I already have a clear picture of what needs to be done, if you stop to take the time to read the thread, study the material, instead of trying to shove your ideas down my throat, you might have notice that fact.

I am not dealing with the WFC, I am dealing with the water fuel injectors method of breaking down the water molecule, again if you read this thread you would know the two units use a very different process to break the bonds of the water molecule. I only spoke of the WFC for the benefit of others wanting to know how it worked and I wrote down how it works down to the working mechanisms involved. The only part I ever needed help with was the circuitry as I am a man of science not circuits, and I am not to proud to ask for help when I need it. But I know what the circuits must do in order for this technology to work properly. You try to apologize in your own way, well your going to have to do much better than that, as you and your other Italian friend have made your stances clear in the minds of the readers of this thread. The proper way to judge a person is by there actions and your actions speak a non friendly tone. If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, then perhaps it is a duck, get it?

From the moment I started this thread I really didn't need any help with Stanley Meyer's technology, just help in clarifying it, and for the most part I answered most of my own questions concerning that. Don't get me wrong a lot of people have helped me to better understand this technology and for that I am truly great full. But I came here after being shut down at IonizationX loosing my freedom of speech. There I was band for my thoughts, for they didn't seem to fit the masses views of Stanley Meyers technology even to the point of telling them they where all wrong directly to their faces. Sure I could have used more a more tactful method, but tell them I did and I got band for it on more than one site.

Here I was free to explore my thoughts and as a result take Meyer's work back to science and throw away all forms of magic that so many people placed in his technology. I don't believe in magic and am not prone to the effects of the group mind. I am not afraid to stand alone and here I did just that at first, but other people started to read what I was doing and started too also understand the science behind Stanley Meyer's work that I was working on too. In Meyer's work before I started this thread there was always a point where the person that believed Meyer was telling the truth came to a point of saying "something happened," as the math that the septics was showing them way saying that it couldn't be done. Energy content calculations using hho only yielded 286 kJ/mol and that was not enough to even come close to the energy content of gasolines 5080 kJ/mol. But until I opened up this thread that answer of just saying "something happen" is all those behind Meyer's technology had to say for the missing energy content for water to take the place of gasoline. They put all kinds of foolery in the VIC transformer when it is after all just a transformer. It went on like that for at least 10 years or more until I posted this thread. Now we know where the missing energy content is coming from, that is if one understands the information in this thread. For the question of what is the "Something Happened" has been answered and is no longer a mystery.

As you can see when I started this tread I already knew the answer to that long held question of "Something Happened." I didn't need any help with it at all just a place to work out the math and science without destructions and more importantly censorship. When I started this thread I already knew just how the VIC transformer for the injectors worked to make it's high voltage as it was not like the conventional step-up transformer. I came to this site with all the know how of how it worked, even though it wasn't complete, I understood how it all worked in general. I did not come here with the idea I needed any help but with the idea that I had something to teach and share with the world. I am well beyond someones help when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer technology works, sure points of clarity did come in, but for the most part I was and still am the teacher here. But as I have already pointed out even teachers learn from others. So do I need your help, I really don't think so, as we are working on different parts of Stanley Meyer's technology. So leave me to my thoughts so I can finish up what I have started here, deal? Thanks for staying out of my way from now on and I am sure the readers of this thread will also thank you.

Good bye and best of luck to you in your efforts.

h2opower.

[1NRG24Seven]

Why I believe Ultraviolet Light and/or frequencies were used by SM

@ All

Why I believe that Stan was using ultraviolet light and/or frequencies.

Fog is somewhat like clouds yet a fog bank will stay close to ground level and is unlike a cloud inthat a cloud is made by sunlight, fog by a temperature invergence at lower temperatures off bodies of water. So Im thinking that fog has a different charge to it than do clouds

Now clouds I believe to have a different charge which cause the release of a HHO like gas to carry it up into the atmosphere mixed with water vapours.

When these water vapours get to a critical mass and two cloud fronts merge, the charge front causes an explosion of the HHO like gasses manifesting as THUNDER, then what takes place is a high voltage plasma disharge in the ultraviolet light spectrum we call LIGHTNING.

What Stan was doing in my oppinion was creating this all to happen at a smaller scale in his water spark plugs.

We all know well the enormous power released in thunderstorms, and what do you smell during a thunderstorm? OZONE

OZONE or pure oxygen is the result of the plasma reaction at ignition, and since the ozone would mix with other gasses like acetylene is to oxygen and then instantaneously burned, then Ozone present in the combustion chamber should not be a problem as its just for a microsecond untill combustion has occured and nuetralized the ozone and recombine as water.

H20 has mentioned several times the SM process to be understood we look to nature. And I agree.

What is being created here is clouds, plasma, thunder (explosion) in a small controlled inviornment.

To create clouds (higher water droplet state charge) we start with fog
charged with ultraviolet light, then use an ultraviolet plasma discharge across the sparkplug (lightning) to created the Thunder in the combustion chamber


But then again I could be way off base here...any correction is welcome

Blessings Team
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