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  • Originally posted by Farside View Post
    I have been searching but I haven't found anyone capable of stabilizing the WFC yet. Do you think that the WFC, being an earlier technology of Stans, was actually dropped due to this problem?

    It seems to me that as Stans research evolved, so the size of his devices shrunk. This might be important and I believe you have brought this up before. The less water in the system at any point in time the better? It means better control of the process, a less complex control system and also an easier interface to existing technologies.

    Are Stans patents an evolutionary history where one incarnation actually superseeds the previous one in an attempt to overcome certain technical hurdles?
    Hi Farside,

    When looking at what Stanley Meyer did you have to also remember he was a business man, and switching from the gaseous system to the direct water injection system saved him money as now he only needed one VIC transformer & controlling circuitry vs eleven VIC transformers & controlling circuitry for the gaseous injection system. He no-longer needed the quenching circuit technology, didn't have to worry about transporting a combustible gas mixture checking for leaks in that system, the heavy WFC was gone, electrostatic filter assembly gone, and in general the vehicle lost a lot of weight. But from a business mans point of view it cost a whole lot less to do the same thing and that was to run an engine using water as it's source of fuel.

    I'll use this analogy in why no one has been able to recreate Stanley Meyer WFC results. You are rebuilding an engine, have taken out all the other parts of the engine to access the engine and then proceed to rebuilding the engine itself. Now in the rebuilding of the engine you decide that there are too many bolts and leave half of them lying on the ground, then when you go to reinstall the engine you decide a lot of these parts don't really need to go back in there, so you leave them on the ground. Finally when it comes time to start the engine, the engine wont start, and then you go blaming the cars manufacture calling them a fraud for selling something that never was intend to work.

    That is what everyone has been doing with the WFC, leaving most of the needed technology lying on the ground. For if you even built a WFC now you know you needed a separate VIC transformer & controlling circuitry for each tube set. But most left never got around to building the other VIC transformer and then went on to build an incomplete controlling circuit with no electron extraction circuitry, and no ability to raise or lower the voltage independently of the frequency or pulsing schedule. And then they cry fowl when it doesn't work. The vast majority of them even built the VIC transformers incorrectly. Everyone I have seen trying to duplicate the alternator version has never rewired up the alternator the correct way, nor have they matched perfectly the capacitances of each tube set too the tube set with the lowest capacitance in the tube set array. That is like balancing an engine's connecting rods and pistons. Now this goes to include Aaron, Stevie, and even me, plus everyone else that has given it a shot on this planet.
    For the most part it was a total misunderstanding of how the technology truly works. The slots cut in the sides of the tubes was to match the tube set array to the lowest capacitance tube set of that array. Is was not for some sort of acoustic resonance as the whole world seems to believe they are for. I never did by that explanation in the first place for the tubes are held both top and bottom, so how in the hell is it suppose to ring?!
    Then everyone failed to realize it is a chemical reaction and what was going on was a unbalancing of the natural equilibrium of the water in between the voltage zones of the tube sets, and that includes me at first. But what makes me different than all the rest is, I kept asking questions, and when there was no one around that could answer my questions, I then turned around and answered those questions myself. In essence I evolved they did not. Asking the right questions also played a big role in this evolution of the mind towards how this technology truly worked.

    Now I am still learning about the technology but I feel I now can duplicate Stanley Meyer's work and am going down that road to do so. I had to be able to see that I was missing parts that where previously left on the ground in past attempts to duplicate Stanley Meyer's work so I could put it all back together the right way. Most people can't see the parts laying on the ground for in order to see them you have to understand the technology. And like I said before I think I got it, but only time will tell. While everyone else was stuck on the hho, VIC transformer, and now the new Nitrogen band wagon(s), I sat back asking and answering questions, and asking help from God for more understanding.

    I hope this helps you to see why no one has duplecated Stanley Meyer's work thus far and the mindsets of the band wagon hop alongs jumping from one band wagon to the next.

    Energy independence is going from dream to reality,

    h2opower.
    Last edited by h20power; 02-02-2010, 06:38 PM. Reason: wording correction

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    • Wait One Minute Buddy!!!

      Originally posted by h20power View Post
      .............. The solution to this problem was to create a individual controlling circuit for each tube set complete with it's very own VIC transformer. And that can be seen in this video when he shows the WFC for the car and just one of the 11 units pulled out that control only one of the tube sets of the WFC. YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #1


      h2opower.
      One problem with this statement
      the 11 cards in the computer controller each have knobs on the front and LEDs ans pots, etc. on them and that IBM chassis has a rail on top and bottom to SLIDE the card into with a fingered backplane that accepts the Printed Circuit board.

      at 1:36 minutes in that #1 video we clearly see that there are what looks like5) 7/16 inch nuts and washers on the right side of the Aluminum Channel that he used to build that early VIC and what looks like a blue muffin fan cut into the left side............. NO CARD RAIL, NO BACKPLANE FINGERS... this, my friend is NOT one of 11 pcs taken from that computerized controller
      What that controller is... is the Hydrogen Gas Management SYstem that controls acceleration and power for the engine and the pressure valve, firing of the injectors, etc
      Please dont be so BIGHEADED that you can never be WRONG about ANYTHING!

      i supported you in all posts until now.
      I clearly see that you love making statements without any proof: like the one about the SUN heating up the tubes and throwing them out of resonance.... really ! where is the proof for that one?
      BTW... that gas processor only has one steel braided hose coming out of the bottom and 3 slots at the top where AMBIENT AIR comes in ! thats where the NITROGEN comes in as well as the Oxygen !
      wake up H20, stop drinking your own kool aid!

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      • Originally posted by TRON View Post
        One problem with this statement
        the 11 cards in the computer controller each have knobs on the front and LEDs ans pots, etc. on them and that IBM chassis has a rail on top and bottom to SLIDE the card into with a fingered backplane that accepts the Printed Circuit board.

        at 1:36 minutes in that #1 video we clearly see that there are what looks like5) 7/16 inch nuts and washers on the right side of the Aluminum Channel that he used to build that early VIC and what looks like a blue muffin fan cut into the left side............. NO CARD RAIL, NO BACKPLANE FINGERS... this, my friend is NOT one of 11 pcs taken from that computerized controller
        What that controller is... is the Hydrogen Gas Management SYstem that controls acceleration and power for the engine and the pressure valve, firing of the injectors, etc
        Please dont be so BIGHEADED that you can never be WRONG about ANYTHING!

        i supported you in all posts until now.
        I clearly see that you love making statements without any proof: like the one about the SUN heating up the tubes and throwing them out of resonance.... really ! where is the proof for that one?
        BTW... that gas processor only has one steel braided hose coming out of the bottom and 3 slots at the top where AMBIENT AIR comes in ! thats where the NITROGEN comes in as well as the Oxygen !
        wake up H20, stop drinking your own kool aid!
        Tron,

        The question I posed to them was about the "Hydrogen Gas Gun" try reading what I post first before you go jumping on the Nitrogen Band Wagon. I really don't like your attitude on this one as when the VIC/controller in the video is shown the one in the rack is missing. So, Clearly it came from the "Voltage Intensifier Unit" as seen in this picture when it was fully installed.

        I know someone that lives six hours from the guy and has sat in the set of the car.

        Now on the Gas Processor(found on the car), what happens if I only use light wavelengths that the oxygen atoms will absorb, to the Nitrogen atoms after the pulse to the primary of the VIC transformer terminates? Remember if I don't use any wavelengths that the Nitrogen atoms will absorb they will be left without any pushing force to keep their energy levels up, so what will happen to them?

        In the drinking my own koolaid comment I guess you don't like the fact that I started answering my own questions when no one else in the world could answer them for me, is that your beef about me? You don't like a person that can ask a question and then look around and find the answer to the question that he had ask? I really am not following your here. So I will ask you directly, what is your beef with me today? You don't like that I keep throwing the Nitrogen idea off to the side? Then you look up Nitrogen and learn all you can about it on your own. It is a non flammable gas, if you ionize it, it still will be a non flammable gas missing electrons. This N(OH) that they are now on, having switched from N2O, to NO2, and now that one, has to be created in the Gas Processor. Why? For when it leaves the gas processor it goes past the EEC screen mesh grid, directly into the combustion chamber. Now in one of Meyer's versions, the three gases where mixed in the voltage zone of the water fuel injectors, then ignited pushing down the piston. In yet another version the gases where mixed separately, the water mist was injected into the combustion chamber and the recirculated gases where mixed with the ionized air gases inside of the intake system just prior entering the combustion chamber. I am going to give the ladder a try, what about you, what method are you going to try? Or did you even know that Meyer used two different methods of deployment with the water fuel injectors?

        About the sun hitting one side of the WFC with the alternator version. That I used intuition, for if the sun does strike some of the tubes and starts to heat them up, you tell me what will happen? Given that as the temperature of the water changes so does the dielectric constant, so you tell me what will be the outcome of such a scenario! You see, I ask these questions to myself and answered them. Now let everyone see your answers to those questions as they have seen mine already.


        h2opower.
        Last edited by h20power; 02-04-2010, 01:07 AM.

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        • RE: mixing in the manifold, and other things...

          @ H2o

          Statement:
          Intuition about the tubes heating up from exposure to sunlight is not good science. Proof is required at this point in the discussion. The tubes don't need to resonate (cavitation is not the technique) to cause the water molecules to pull apart. The resonance is related to the frequency that causes infinite voltage and zero amps in that specific series/parallel LC circuit known as the WFC.

          A clue to this fact is that S.M. speaks of the "resonant frequency" in the air ionizer also (G.P.), does this imply that the cylinder in that white gas processor is vibrating? not likely...

          Question 1.
          Do you believe that ionized air will NOT return to stable state when it contacts the GROUNDED manifold (mixing in manifold...)?

          Question 2. (related to Q1)
          Do we know for sure that every illustration in every patent document was actually successfully implemented?

          Question 3.
          Where in the documents did you read that the Gas Processor was a closed loop system?

          Question 4.
          Why wouldn't ambient air be drawn into the top of the gas processor to be ionized, (creating mono atomic atoms and preventing the formation of ozone by consuming the free electrons)...?

          (as far as i can tell, there was only one delivery hose coming out of the bottom of the GP)

          Question 5.
          Since ambient air is 70% nitrogen (approx) why cant nitrogen atoms that are missing electrons do the same water molecule covalent bonding breakdown, just like the ionized oxygen atoms do? (i believe they can)

          My attitude is much better now, thanks
          please consider that these are my opinions and not proven by any ongoing test results as i have not built any of this stuff, still in data gathering and discovery mode...

          @ ALL
          still wondering if ANYONE has EVER gotten an EEC circuit to actually SHOW ELECTRONS lighting up a lamp load properly?????????

          does anyone have the EEC built yet? ( circuit board)

          keep posting new discovery's and never be afraid to admit when you were wrong about something of have understood something better than you previously did,

          that's the real purpose of these threads... i hope to always improve my understanding of this technology, but it can only happen when people post real facts and proven tested results, not "intuition".

          Posting your opinion is OK as long as you tell people its not yet proven!

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          • RE: wavelengths of light

            please consider (H2opower) that since the high voltage high frequency pulses are DISTORTING the electron orbits, a specific wavelength is not that critical.

            You see... i believe that, when the electrons are pulled into an elliptical orbit, their attraction to the protons is weakened.... any photon wavelength then can knock them into an outer orbit, because the energy aperture of the nucleus is opening and closing, of course a smaller , tighter wave will be more energetic and result in a higher yield due to greater efficiency, but as for specific wavelengths, that is only the case for atoms with NORMAL electron orbits, NOT DISTORTED ORBITS such as those under Stan's high voltage pulses....thats why any wavelength just about will knock electrons loose from both oxygen AND OR nitrogen or any other trace gas present in ambient air...

            And don't forget the magnetic fields created by those 4 coils of copper wire at the top and bottom of the hydrogen gas gun ( the first version of the GP).

            although we cant see any, i think there are coils of wire hidden inside the gas processor behind that white plastic to create these magnetic fields...i also think the hydrogen gas gun was the first prototype that lead to the gas processor...

            Those magnetic fields also aid in electron ejection... in ONE DIRECTION based on the left hand rule for conductors. The magnetic spin acts as an accelerator field to push those free electrons towards the extraction grid(s) before they have a chance to reattach with an unstable oxygen or nitrogen atom.

            My unproven theory is that the Gas Processor used all three methods to remove electrons from both nitrogen and oxygen in ambient air and use these monoatomic ions with high positive charges, sent through a plastic tube to a mixing chamber( plastic to avoid grounded metal from stabilizing the ions) where the water fog is introduced with exhaust gases and the water molecules IMMEDIATELY break down when the ionized air hits them, because the small hydrogen covalent electrons MUST yield to the BIGGER STRONGER monoatomic ions of oxygen and nitrogen...even though nitrogen wont burn, thats a good thing because it helps reduce the burn rate to get closer to fossil fuel temp...

            thats my theory and im sticking to it!

            thanks for the opportunity to post to your thread, and please dont have any hurt feelings, its never personal, only thought provoking.... im in my kitchen, having a beer in your honor, keep posting the truth, as it becomes evident...
            Thanks again H2opower, for having the guts to make these secrets public!!
            Good job

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            • Hi Tron,

              The correct wavelength is resonance with the atoms and the light energy. This is how light interacts with matter. This part of the technology is like the Aurora Borealis. I'm am a little busy right now and can't complete my line of thought on this at this time, sorry.


              h2opower.

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              • Originally posted by bussi04 View Post
                Hi eric,

                thank you very much for guiding me through this very difficult procedure. without your support and guidance I would not have solved the problem.

                you are an excellent expert engineer and you are
                good structure, I have learned a lot!

                now I will update the scheme. And I have archived our dialog in a pdf-file. I would prefer to clear our debugging dialog - it´s much stuff out of science range. what do you think? If you admit I would try to organize a cleanup by the admin or maybe a move to another thread ("debugging freedom circuit").
                What are your ideas towards that?

                once more - thank you very much - now that this problem is solved I feel very much better

                and thank you for your patience with me

                bussi04
                Thanks Bussie04 and Techstatic for sorting this out. Big job!
                Do you have a working circuit board now?
                Are there any updates to the schematic??

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                • Originally posted by Farside View Post
                  Thanks Bussie04 and Techstatic for sorting this out. Big job!
                  Do you have a working circuit board now?
                  Are there any updates to the schematic??
                  Hi Farside,

                  yes I have a working circuit board

                  now that I know how each part of freedom circuit rev 0.5 works I make an update for the scheme rev 0.6. It has the same functionality but has an expansion interface so that additional functionality can be added on demand without need for complete redesign. Those fig. 4 functionality, frequency search and expanded gating range didn´t work in rev 0.5 as denied. So I had to drop it until future redesign. Workaround to use rev 0.5 exists but it´s more useful to jump in to rev 0.6. Until end of next week I want to have finished the gerber file for manufacturing rev 0.6 so that anyone can download and replicate it. I´ll build up a reference circuit as soon as I have got the manufactured pcbs.

                  What you get is
                  - oscillator 0 - 160 kHz with resonant lock in
                  - gating
                  - EEC control
                  - LED power driver
                  - VIC power driver with voltage control
                  - important signals on interface connector / expansion connector
                  - Resistor or Capacitor change by modified jumpers / no soldering necessary
                  - handbook of freedom circuit

                  greetings,
                  bussi04

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                  • Hi Everyone,

                    When it comes to my intuition this whole thread is based on my intuitions, so any thread created from this thread is a thread based on my intuitions, and I think there are five now. I trust my intuition as that is my way of asking and answering questions. The main question that lead me to that conclusion was this, "Why did Meyer change from 9 tube sets having one transformer to one which has 11 tube sets each having their very own VIC transformer and circuitry?" "What advantages did it give?" That was just one example of why he made the change, as another would be water sloshing about when the car is in motion pushing water through some tubes and not others messing up the resonance. Yet another is cutting the tubes to be match was too time consuming and hard to do for something that was moving towards mass production. Anyway that is just how my mind works, and this site is my intuitions as there is no one I can ask these type of questions too that can answer them.

                    Nice work Bussi04, together we can do this


                    h2opower.

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                    • Originally posted by h20power View Post
                      On the overunity site I posted an engineering challenge for building the Stanley Meyer injector set up; Stanley Meyer Explained but the site wont let me put in PDF files of patents for them to follow, so I will post it here for everyone to get.

                      The other patents you might need are the SMTB, and the Canadian patent.

                      I will try and come up with more rules, but for the most part, just apply what you've learned to the patents. Trust me re-reading them with the added information I put on this site reads very different than before.

                      Best of luck to everyone,

                      h2opower.

                      Well, it looks like one team is claiming success: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ouncement.html But they are not willing to share their results so again it falls on you the individual to come up with your own working designs.

                      And they got the idea of ionizing the air gases from this thread. Now hopefully everyone else will start making their own versions of the Gas Processor as I have pointed out it is a key part of how Stanley Meyer was able to make use of water as a source of fuel. The technology is right before you all you have to do is build it to the best of your abilities. Good luck everyone with your work,


                      h2opower.
                      Last edited by h20power; 02-08-2010, 07:24 PM.

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                      • HV

                        Is anyone out there using an alternate power source for the high voltage to the GP? Such as a flyback transformer driver / voltage multiplier? Or is everyone planning on using a VIC? H2O i seem to remember you posting a circuit on a thread long ago that was a simple oscillator with a voltage multiplier.

                        The reason I ask is that I'm still a little unclear about how to build a VIC. I know that i have asked before how to design a vic to have a desired output voltage / freq. Basically from what i understand is that I have to build one and drive to see how high it will go. Well I do not have to resources to build a custom machined bobbin to build a transformer that may or may not give the desired results. I would love to try to build one if i had the stuff. I don't so that means $$$$ which my wife will say.....well you can all imagine. If i can by flyback kits, multiplier, and simple drivers to get HV low current that would be great!

                        I guess i should make clear my immediate intentions with this little project. I don't want to make a car run on water first. That dinosaur might be alittle big for me to eat. I want to start by making a small engine run. Or maybe even simpler a burner. That is a more realist goal for myself at this point. I don't in any way mean to derail this thread in any way so if i need to post this train of thought on another thread don't hesitate to tell me.

                        It seems by what i've read so far that is all that is needed is a HV source that can be pulsed on and off 180 deg from the LEDs at a gated time that can only be determined by tinkering. The means of generating that HV could come from a lot of different means. Say for instance if you use a flyback transformer that resonates at 20kHz you wouldn't want your on/off gate pulses to be greater than that. Would a flyback and voltage multiplier work? Is anyone trying it? Or can anyone point me in the direction of some info that i may need to help?

                        THanks

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                        • Originally posted by natone_m View Post
                          Is anyone out there using an alternate power source for the high voltage to the GP? Such as a flyback transformer driver / voltage multiplier? Or is everyone planning on using a VIC? H2O i seem to remember you posting a circuit on a thread long ago that was a simple oscillator with a voltage multiplier.

                          The reason I ask is that I'm still a little unclear about how to build a VIC. I know that i have asked before how to design a vic to have a desired output voltage / freq. Basically from what i understand is that I have to build one and drive to see how high it will go. Well I do not have to resources to build a custom machined bobbin to build a transformer that may or may not give the desired results. I would love to try to build one if i had the stuff. I don't so that means $$$$ which my wife will say.....well you can all imagine. If i can by flyback kits, multiplier, and simple drivers to get HV low current that would be great!

                          I guess i should make clear my immediate intentions with this little project. I don't want to make a car run on water first. That dinosaur might be alittle big for me to eat. I want to start by making a small engine run. Or maybe even simpler a burner. That is a more realist goal for myself at this point. I don't in any way mean to derail this thread in any way so if i need to post this train of thought on another thread don't hesitate to tell me.

                          It seems by what i've read so far that is all that is needed is a HV source that can be pulsed on and off 180 deg from the LEDs at a gated time that can only be determined by tinkering. The means of generating that HV could come from a lot of different means. Say for instance if you use a flyback transformer that resonates at 20kHz you wouldn't want your on/off gate pulses to be greater than that. Would a flyback and voltage multiplier work? Is anyone trying it? Or can anyone point me in the direction of some info that i may need to help?

                          THanks
                          Hi Natone_m,

                          The VIC transformer is just a transformer meant for switching power supplies. This circuit gives a clue as to the function of the VIC transformer in that you can supply it with any voltage the wiring and diodes can handle:

                          So that being said the VIC transformer is just a transformer that is run in a resonant condition.

                          The VIC transformer for the injectors looks like this in Meyer's patent:

                          and the one he used on the WFC in the gaseous injection system on the car looks like this:

                          Never did Meyer show the one hooked up to the Gas Processor or Steam Resonator. But the main things to be concerned with is circuit resonance and building the VIC transformer to meet a desired resonance you are aiming for. Resonance must be achieved before you start driving circuit #4 to keep the amps down or you will just burn up the transformer. At point 'J' is the way to control the voltage amplitude and depending on the Darlington transistor you buy will determine what maximum voltage you can feed into the VIC transformer. In some of Meyer's work he used 0-110 volts towards the VIC transformer. You have to start looking at Meyer's work as a whole and not in pieces. For his technology works that way as a whole. To try and convert a small engine still would be costly as most parts for the conversion have to be made. The easiest engine in my view would be a rotary type engine, but I don't have the money for it and it seems like you don't either.

                          One thing in the VIC transformer is to make sure things match up well for resonance, IE secondary and chokes having the same inductances so they resonate at the same frequency. This can be done by varying the wire sizes. Also note there are two sets of choke coils making them four total in the injector VIC one is wrapped right on top of the other and in the VIC shown in the pic they are side by side with the center chokes (using SS wire)being wrapped in a bifilar fashion. They all seem to share the same core. As for a turn number count I have no idea what you will be needing for your designs, that is something you are going to have to determine on your own for what ever frequency you have in mind to use. But knowing how the system is set up to work is a must for you can put as many volts to the primary as you need just as long as the primary is driven in a resonance condition it wont burn up. As for the voltage multipliers your going to have to test that one out for yourself also. I built the figure 6.1 VIC transformer and matched it to my Gas Processor and will do the same for the injector modifications I intend on making for the existing injectors that came with the car.

                          For just a proof of concept a converted alternator can be used with a pwm driving the drive motor and a scope to tell when you find resonance by way of varying the RPM of the driving motor. Again once resonance is found then you simply raise the voltage being applied to the rotor of the alternator, Meyer said he used 5 volts and 2 amps of electrical energy with his set up.

                          In that design the tube sets have to all have the same capacitances for maximum effect. Or just try it with one tube set. Remember first find the resonance with the converted alternator, by varying the drive motors RPM's, then raise the voltage being applied to the magnetic field of the alternator going into the rotor after resonance has been found. The alternator has to be wired up correctly for this to work. Best of luck to you with your experiments.


                          h2opower.

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                          • Originally posted by natone_m View Post
                            I guess i should make clear my immediate intentions with this little project. I don't want to make a car run on water first. That dinosaur might be alittle big for me to eat. I want to start by making a small engine run. Or maybe even simpler a burner. That is a more realist goal for myself at this point. I don't in any way mean to derail this thread in any way so if i need to post this train of thought on another thread don't hesitate to tell me.
                            I think you can try to experiment of water spark plug first like mentioned in meyer news:
                            Subjecting water droplet(s) to pulsating electrical stress induced by way of voltage potential of opposite polarity can cause the water droplet to instantly convert into thermal explosive energy (gtnt). The addition of non-combustible gases derived from ambient air can adjust the gas combustion rate to coequal fossil-fuel burn-rate; using ionized gases from ambient air can aid energy enhancement of the flame projection; and photon energy absorption sustain the atomic dwell time to allow sufficient spark-ignition of the combustion gases (Hydrogen/Oxygen from water) undergoing and being subjected to pulsating electrical stress.
                            ...
                            Various, independent university laboratory testing has confirmedthe importance of high voltage at low-current in releasing energy from the water molecule. For example, Gary L. Johnson, Kansas State University, in his report titled "Electrically Induced Explosions in Water" discovered that the loudness of the explosion increased as the voltage increased and the volume of water decreased... (30 to 40 kilovolt range).
                            I think the key for water spark plug are very low current, pulsed DC HV of 30kv to 40kv at water resonant frequency of around 42800Hz or 21400Hz or 10700Hz.

                            see more here
                            http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post84553

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                            • Originally posted by h20power View Post
                              Now to get back to work.

                              Has anyone ever looked at the original WFC tube and wondered why are there slots cut into the sides of the outer tubes? YouTube - Stanley Meyer - It Runs On Water

                              Well being as I am I figured out a plausible reason of the true purpose of those slots. In this video you can see that the slots are of different lengths in each of the tubes and some don't seem to be cut at all: YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #3

                              Now the reason for the slots is not for some sort of vibrational resonance but to match up the capacitances of the tubes in the same manor that an racing engine's connecting rods, pistons, and other various things are balanced. To ensure that all tubes hit resonance at the same time each tube set had to be cut to match the lowest capacitance tube sets capacitance. That is the only way you would get all the tubes resonating at the same time.

                              But Meyer found out that if the unit is out in the sun, the part where the suns light hits the tubes and light energy is absorbed the tubes would fall out of resonance due to heat changes in the tubes caused by the sun. For the ones absorbing the suns light energy would heat up and change capacitance as they did so. The solution to this problem was to create a individual controlling circuit for each tube set complete with it's very own VIC transformer. And that can be seen in this video when he shows the WFC for the car and just one of the 11 units pulled out that control only one of the tube sets of the WFC. YouTube - Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #1

                              So now you know what the slots are meant for. So if you have been trying to replicate Stanley Meyer's alternator tubes set up now you know what has to be done to get each and every individual tube set of the whole WFC to hit resonance at the same time. Enjoy!


                              h2opower.
                              Hi H20...

                              I don't know if you covered this in the thread yet and if you have I may have missed it.

                              Q. What Metal are you using for the tubes?...If SS what grade and dimensions. SS tube around these dimensions is expensive stuff, I'm thinking the same rule would hold that the more one buys the cheaper it gets.

                              Now as far as my own experiments, I have concluded that its the Nickle content in the Stainless that seems to produce more gas, in fact in one of my you tube videos I use a pure Nickle anode and a pure Nickle cathode flat plates. These two flat plates are made from one anode purchased from a jewlers supply for electroplating. They measure 1" x 6" x 3/32" thick. That one anode was then slit in two ...lengthwise making two 1/2" x 6" x 3/32" pieces. The voltage is around 140VDC if I recall in that video and not pulsed. The HHO coming off makes the water look as though its violently boiling even though the surface area of both plates is a total of 6 square inches, very small. In my first video showing the long tube cell using 316 SS wire coils...a coil within a coil (this was my idea to try and make a Stan Meyer tube out of coiled wire instead of solid to increase surface area) We used a modified Stan Meyer Circuit to give us more tuning variables and a wider range. The circuit worked great for our experiments. When the cell hit resonance it had a very peculiar high pitch ring to it if you placed an ear close to the tube, our frequency reading at that point went all over the place as it seemed to confuse the meter. But the Nickle cell I am going to guess here by observation as I have yet to get a liter per minute test off it, was several times greater than the SS cell in gas output. But one other thing we have not yet included in the Stan Meyer circuit was the ability to pass a higher voltages, which my Nickle cell does. I will double the voltage of the Nickle cell to around 280VDC and see what happens. I think Stan's was between 200-600VDC output adjustable.

                              I know many internet sites claim Stan used I think it was 304 SS if I recall correctly, whatever it was I looked up it Nickle content and was one of the higher ones for SS. But seems to me Stan only claimed it was a special alloy for the tubes in his patents, again could be wrong as I have not read all 40+ patents. That is the only reason I have not tried duplicating the Stan Meyer tubes yet as I would be using Nickle and the cost is several times that of SS.

                              Anyway just some of my thinking out loud here.

                              Have a great day....24

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                              • Hi H20... I will not quote the whole "Coil" post of your here as it is large, But what about the spark plug Ignition coils...I was just this morning watching an Old Google Video I downloaded a few years back that had four still shots of the dune buggy motor close ups of of different componants, like one clip was showing a close up of the water spark plug, the one I wanted to mention here that caught my attention was what I believed was a clip showing the coil setup for the ignition as it had the same blue spark plug wire comming off it to the center of the rotor cap for the distributor...this pic looked like two automotive coils side by side all white in a white holder. Now im thinking it would be possible to take the output from one standard auto coil and input it into another increasing the voltages way up there....I was thinking maybe more up in the voltage ranges of lightning...this would make the spark a very high voltage plasma. I have not tried this yet was just wondering if anyone else has....seems also at those higher voltages the distributor cap would be arching all over the place unless it could be modified, again just thinking out loud here, hope thats ok.

                                Good Day...24

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