Stanley Meyer Explained

[TRON]

@ Bussi

What is that 4024 ripple counter doing in the freedom circuit?

Also to get the capacitance of a tapered cone injector its easy..

Find the mid point of the tapered section, and measure the diameters and gap.
Calculate the Capacitance for a standard cylinder using the length measurment of the taper overall. at the mid point of the taper the capacitance is the same as a cylinder.... because as one side increases capacitance out from the midpoint , the other side decreases equally and the equivalent capacitance is of the cylinder

with that PF reading a VIC can be designed, or pre tuned for the specific injectors fabricated...

[bussi04]

What is that 4024 ripple counter doing in the freedom circuit?

Also to get the capacitance of a tapered cone injector its easy..

Find the mid point of the tapered section, and measure the diameters and gap.
Calculate the Capacitance for a standard cylinder using the length measurment of the taper overall. at the mid point of the taper the capacitance is the same as a cylinder.... because as one side increases capacitance out from the midpoint , the other side decreases equally and the equivalent capacitance is of the cylinder

with that PF reading a VIC can be designed, or pre tuned for the specific injectors fabricated...

hi Tron,

the CD4024 is a substitute for SMŽs A28-A30 and divides the oscillator frequency of the CD4046 pll oscillator.

it works the following way:

you can adjust a minor frequency with one potentiometer. with a second potentiometer you set the major frequency. with a third pot you can cover the bandwith between minor and major frequency.

to cover the whole bandwith from 0 to (more than) 160 kHz a simple potentiometer regulation would be problematic. moving the pot a very little bit would raise or lower the oscillation frequency too much.

so the CD4024 divides the oscillation frequency 7 times by 2 and regulation by the pots works fine. the third potentiometer can be substituted by the pll regulation of the pll phase indicator (resonance lock in).

youŽll find more detailed informations in the handbook IŽll publish here soon.

thanks for the extended capacitance informations

greetings,
bussi04

[TRON]

alternate version of figure 2 Stan Meyer

after much study of figure 2 i have concluded of a better way to implement the LED / OPTO speed controller .
attached is a DOC file (not an actual doc, just added doc to the end...)remove the doc extension and open with a simulation program called logisim.

also a picture of the circuit included

this allows anyone who wants to replicate an optical controlled speed controller like stans, without the fuss of having to use his original circuit 2 with its unknown chipset...

my version duplicates the safety features of his original but his used a metal slider to block the light and the pulse width was controlled by a dark output... instead of having one mux for pulse width and another mux for verification of a good component , we can do the same thing by lighting up a series of optoelectronics with a metal slider...as you step on the pedal the number of LED's that are allowed to pass light are increased, for a wider pulse...when you lose a component (burns out) the lowest one before the failed part is the most you will get for acceleration...this prevents a runaway throttle (excessive hydrogen production)

still trying to work out all the other circuits...hope this helps
multiplexor chip =cd4067be
counter = cd40161bc
AND gates = cd4081be
opto detectors = hoa-6994-t51
inverter = cd4049ub

[dankie]

Well I wish you luck , I still got some Stainless steel wire over here if you wanna try stuff .

You are gonna need machines to keep expenses from getting out of your control because you cant move a pinky with that thing without coughing up winding work and spending $ .

[h20power]

Hi Dankie,
Been a long time my friend. We were just talking about you chasson321 and I. I told him how we made up as I finnaly saw the use for the SS wire. But as always I found another way around it with the use of copper filled glass tubes for the neggetive of the injectors as glass is also a dielectric liquid.

Right now I am getting ready for engine trails as I got some much needed help with the controling circuitry, for without the controling circuitry I was dead in the water. As you can see it takes me a long time to get things done but get them done I will. I finnaly understand just what has to be done and made a definition if terms for Meyer's word groupings. I still don't understand it all but I understand how to run a typical gasoline or diesel engine now, got all the math done to show the energy that I can expect if I build it this way. It beats gasoline by more than 1000 kJ/mol, all I have to do is build it correctly. Microsoft sent me an updated that killed my PC so I have to wait until I get it back before I can get started with the injector modifications. Once they are done I should be running on water as the math and science is rock solid. Sure is good to see you too are still working towards your own energy independence, you just need a little help like I was given, and through this long jorney I have come accross some very good people. This is the end of the jorney now and I owe it all to my new found friends. THANKS!

I hope you the best too and thanks for stopping by, folks he has some SS wire if you want to go that route.

h2opower.

[bussi04]

after much study of figure 2 i have concluded of a better way to implement the LED / OPTO speed controller .
attached is a DOC file (not an actual doc, just added doc to the end...)remove the doc extension and open with a simulation program called logisim.

also a picture of the circuit included

this allows anyone who wants to replicate an optical controlled speed controller like stans, without the fuss of having to use his original circuit 2 with its unknown chipset...

my version duplicates the safety features of his original but his used a metal slider to block the light and the pulse width was controlled by a dark output... instead of having one mux for pulse width and another mux for verification of a good component , we can do the same thing by lighting up a series of optoelectronics with a metal slider...as you step on the pedal the number of LED's that are allowed to pass light are increased, for a wider pulse...when you lose a component (burns out) the lowest one before the failed part is the most you will get for acceleration...this prevents a runaway throttle (excessive hydrogen production)

still trying to work out all the other circuits...hope this helps
multiplexor chip =cd4067be
counter = cd40161bc
AND gates = cd4081be
opto detectors = hoa-6994-t51
inverter = cd4049ub

Hi Tron,

thanks, it seems as if your improvement in safety features is an excellent example for KISS method

IŽll make the simulation soon and of course I will have a close
look at integrating it via expansion connector of freedom circuit rev 0.6.

stay tuned,

best wishes,
bussi04

[bussi04]

@tron

Hi Tron,

thanks, it seems as if your improvement in safety features is an excellent example for KISS method

IŽll make the simulation soon and of course I will have a close
look at integrating it via expansion connector of freedom circuit rev 0.6.

stay tuned,

best wishes,
bussi04

As far as I got it your circuit is a 16 bit digital input to pulse width converter (duty cycle). looking at Stan MeyerŽs original overall circuit the accelerator control is used 2 ways:
1. influencing voltage control for the VIC primary
2. influencing gating control for VIC primary enable/disable

for gating it can be directly connected to expansion connector of freedom circuit. for voltage control some resistor and capacitor and an OpAmp added should fit to adopt to expansion connector. so itŽs a valuable module for motor control.

I suggest to let some ICE engine experiments be done and then make a decision wheather to let accelerator control influence voltage or gating time or both.

IŽll set up your circuit in KiCad and test it as a generic module adopted to the expansion connector of freedom circuit.

bussi04

[HMS-776]

Good to see you guys are working on the circuits!!! The Tech Brief gives a pretty good explanation of them.

I have been trying to figure out the components as well, but like Bussi I am also stuck on A4 and A6???

Are you guys going to use the PLL and VIC for the injectors on this setup?

[SDK]

My take on watercars

Hi all,

And yes, I am new here.

This is a bit long, so I hope it is OK to post the link to it rather than paste it over here.

And no, I am not selling anything, this site does not even have adds.

StanMeyer

To get the gist of it, I am quite convinced that the electrolysis cell and whatever electric in Stanley Meyer's engine is a decoy. If it were not, Dingle would not be running his cars on water with his system. He is by the way pulling the same trick as Meyer did, throwing people off with the cell.

With kind regards, Slavek.

[dankie]

Hi all,

And yes, I am new here.

This is a bit long, so I hope it is OK to post the link to it rather than paste it over here.

And no, I am not selling anything, this site does not even have adds.

StanMeyer

To get the gist of it, I am quite convinced that the electrolysis cell and whatever electric in Stanley Meyer's engine is a decoy. If it were not, Dingle would not be running his cars on water with his system. He is by the way pulling the same trick as Meyer did, throwing people off with the cell.

With kind regards, Slavek.

I always tought he was a decoy for Puharich .

Could make sense , then again it looks all alike , the electrical technique should be tried a bunch of ways , every type of tuning and consideration for vibration or whatnot ... Lasers ... so on ...

Dingels answer seems to be chemical , what can he do exactly ?

Scalar wave hidden transducers in the sides ? Super speakere ? + HV?

He looks like he just blasts with HV , no lasers , w/e hes doing its all the same to me ... Somekind of advanced combinational wave type Rife style ?

[sucahyo]

To get the gist of it, I am quite convinced that the electrolysis cell and whatever electric in Stanley Meyer's engine is a decoy. If it were not, Dingle would not be running his cars on water with his system. He is by the way pulling the same trick as Meyer did, throwing people off with the cell.

Just for reference, this picture bellow show that the energy content per liquid liter of hydrogen is less than gasoline, and water is about equal with gasoline.


This means that if the fuel is hydrogen from storage, then the storage has to be bigger for engine with the same efficiency. If the fuel is generated on board from water, the water consumed is about the same as gasoline. Unless water output from exhaust is utilized. This is the reason for exhaust reutilization.

[bussi04]

Good to see you guys are working on the circuits!!! The Tech Brief gives a pretty good explanation of them.

I have been trying to figure out the components as well, but like Bussi I am also stuck on A4 and A6???

Are you guys going to use the PLL and VIC for the injectors on this setup?

Yes, freedom circuit rev 0.6 can supply injectors, gas processor or water fuel cells. Thanks to TRON the accelerator control is decoded (A4 A6) and improved. I think that all necessary functionality of SM car system control is uncovered now. parts can be done more efficiently by using actual components and to control an actual car will need some microcontroller interaction because of the integrated bus oriented car controllers.

greetings,
bussi04

[TRON]

Figure 2 explained...

A4 gets a dark input (0 VDC) at one of the channels from a darkened optoschmitt operating at a regulated 5 VDC.

as the counter goes thru the switching of the multiplexor that limits the pulse width of the common output of the MUX.

Stan used two MUX chips (A4 and A6) to implement a form of safety in case one of the Optoschmitt detectors burned out, to prevent a runaway throttle condition. the secret to this is the two inverters and Nand gate just ahead of the JK flipflop on the way to M,M1,M2...if one of the optoschmitt devices burned out the whole circuit would shut off..of course he was using an LED and a Photoelectric detector seperately on his "Laser Accelerator" but technology has advanced since then and we can get these devices in a single package for each of the 15 channels...

I say 15 because you want to leave the lowest channel of the 16 inputs turned on all the time, sort of an idle speed adjustment.

Speaking of the original figure 2 circuit: this was a flawed design from the beginning... too complicated: because if only one MUX is used without an inverted output and a group of Cascaded AND gates at the input to the MUX, the same effect is achieved.. upon the failure of any single optoschmitt signal from the sliding curtain that is hooked up to the throttle cable, that sends the signal to the mux... the result will be a slower speed up to the device that failed, leaving at least an idle or any other throttle position up to the failed device... WITHOUT a runaway throttle!
.
it might be a good idea to make two of these boards and have one handy on the road as a backup in case a component fails

I see where M and M1 connect but where are the M2 and M3... outputs going? (maybe future use?)

[dankie]

Does it even matter to get all those simple electronics working before the VIC and GP have actually been tested . I would like to see H20powers`s test results .

Noboby needs to follow any schematics for the control of the process . Any of these 20$ an hour technician can program a pic that will control all this .

You are eating the desert before you eat that big huge steak on your plate .

[SDK]

Just for reference, this picture bellow show that the energy content per liquid liter of hydrogen is less than gasoline, and water is about equal with gasoline.


This means that if the fuel is hydrogen from storage, then the storage has to be bigger for engine with the same efficiency. If the fuel is generated on board from water, the water consumed is about the same as gasoline. Unless water output from exhaust is utilized. This is the reason for exhaust reutilization.

Hi Sucahio,

What you have said and posted is correct. Never the less, the energy content in liters is quite misleading. Diesel, the apparent winner in liters, weights approximately 7 times as much as liquid hydrogen. When you go by weight, you will find out that hydrogen energy content outdoes diesel per weight about twice.

That is only a part of it, though. The other part is that while diesel depends on production of combustion gases in part while burning, and in part on the thermal expansion of the produced combustion gas, the water run engines depend much more on evaporation of water mist, or "cold" steam, rather then on vapor thermal expansion, which is a more efficient way of creating pressure in the chamber.

That is still only a part of it though, because Dingle's system apparently does not use air, or better said nitrogen contained in the air, as the combustion engines do, nitrogen filling about 4/5ths of the combustion chamber, which expands strictly by the temperature derived from the fuel.

That is still only a part of it. Using closed (Dingle) system introduces vacuum on the upstroke into the game, instead of compression, which to a degree drives the pistons up on the upstroke, instead of having to compress the fuel air mixture as combustion engines do.

Add them all up and see.

With kind regards, Slavek.