Stanley Meyer Explained

[HMS-776]

TRON & bussi04, Thanks for the explanation about the circuit.

I've had the same problem finding where M2 and M3 are connected???

What about the Accelerator Pedal, Does it use a pot? I have not been able to see where it gets connected to the circuit, or understand how throttling is accomplished?


One more thing, Have you guys seen the PLL circuit thread on waterfuelcell.org, It might be something to help, Eclipsed78 explaines it quite well!

The Water Fuel Cell :: View topic - Phase lock loop circuit schematic

The Water Fuel Cell :: View topic - Phase-Lock-Loop confusion

[sucahyo]

Never the less, the energy content in liters is quite misleading. Diesel, the apparent winner in liters, weights approximately 7 times as much as liquid hydrogen. When you go by weight, you will find out that hydrogen energy content outdoes diesel per weight about twice.

You have to consider the weight of hydrogen liquid container too. Which should be many times heavier than diesel container weight at the same volume. Imagine how thick is the metal needed to contain 50 liter of hydrogen that need a stabilizing sponge or something to prevent the hydrogen from exploding.

That is only a part of it, though. The other part is that while diesel depends on production of combustion gases in part while burning, and in part on the thermal expansion of the produced combustion gas, the water run engines depend much more on evaporation of water mist, or "cold" steam, rather then on vapor thermal expansion, which is a more efficient way of creating pressure in the chamber.

Sorry, but are you suggesting implosion system and not a hydrogen combustion?

[h20power]

Good Bye Everyone,

I can no longer teach on this forum for it is not safe for me to do so. Further more I do not give my permission to place any of my work, theories, and/or videos I have now or will make in the future on this forum. I ask that all threads started by me be deleted as I will not be posting anymore on this forum.
Sorry if I seem to let people down but I must safguard the safty of my family first as I must look out for their safty above all else. Take care everyone and best of luck on becoming energy independent.

h2opower.

[dankie]

Good Bye Everyone,

I can no longer teach on this forum for it is not safe for me to do so. Further more I do not give my permission to place any of my work, theories, and/or videos I have now or will make in the future on this forum. I ask that all threads started by me be deleted as I will not be posting anymore on this forum.
Sorry if I seem to let people down but I must safguard the safty of my family first as I must look out for their safty above all else. Take care everyone and best of luck on becoming energy independent.

h2opower.

Lol you are really a big headed individual . You never built anything besides that little aluminium tube that you worked on for like 1 hour on and then quit and came back theorizing on this site . Youve been saying for years your gonna build this and that but nothing ever came up .

Its ok , Tutanka and I continue on , we have the skill that you are lacking .

[tutanka]

Lol you are really a big headed individual . You never built anything besides that little aluminium tube that you worked on for like 1 hour on and then quit and came back theorizing on this site . Youve been saying for years your gonna build this and that but nothing ever came up .

Its ok , Tutanka and I continue on , we have the skill that you are lacking .

We are only two? Maybe in public place but underground more are study that .. i have notices that also other countries are working on...

[Farside]

Well, I wish you well H20Power and hope you succeed in building your engine.

Bussie and Tech, are you still sticking in there?

[dankie]

Well, I wish you well H20Power and hope you succeed in building your engine.

Bussie and Tech, are you still sticking in there?

bWAHAHAHA

Good Bye Everyone,

I can no longer teach on this forum for it is not safe for me to do so. Further more I do not give my permission to place any of my work, theories, and/or videos I have now or will make in the future on this forum. I ask that all threads started by me be deleted as I will not be posting anymore on this forum.
Sorry if I seem to let people down but I must safguard the safty of my family first as I must look out for their safty above all else. Take care everyone and best of luck on becoming energy independent.

h2opower.

Seriously H2opower , you truely are a comedian . You havent changed a bit since the ionizationx days . This guy is always throwing the same hissy fit about HIS posts .

First off this is a public forum , the posts dont belong to you , second why would we care about your posts ?

And What videos I ask ?

Your youtube hasnt even been updated for 2 years .

[bussi04]

Well, I wish you well H20Power and hope you succeed in building your engine.

Bussie and Tech, are you still sticking in there?

Hi Farside,

Iīm interested in straightforward progress. Theoretical dispute and endless loops others may like but not me because I donīt want to slow down in producing practical results. So I will give my support to anyone here seriously dealing with freedom circuit rev 0.6. I find my place in any effectively working project oriented environment .

best wishes,
bussi04

[TRON]

Wait A Minute !!!

Hi Sucahio,
....

That is still only a part of it. Using closed (Dingle) system introduces vacuum on the upstroke into the game, instead of compression, which to a degree drives the pistons up on the upstroke, instead of having to compress the fuel air mixture as combustion engines do.

Add them all up and see.

With kind regards, Slavek.

AS far as the VACUUM on the UPSTROKE???

That is not possible because the vacuum required to pull the piston UP is more than the vacuum required to OPEN or PULL OPEN an intake or exhaust valve !

there is too much of a vacuum leak for the piston to be pulled up
(Think it through...)

[SDK]

You have to consider the weight of hydrogen liquid container too. Which should be many times heavier than diesel container weight at the same volume. Imagine how thick is the metal needed to contain 50 liter of hydrogen that need a stabilizing sponge or something to prevent the hydrogen from exploding.

Sorry, but are you suggesting implosion system and not a hydrogen combustion?

Hi Sucahyo,

Neither Meyer, nor Dingle used stored hydrogen in an appreciable quantity, if any. I am not sure why have you entered this issue into the picture.

Implosion system in this context is a nonsense. You can't get any meaningful power from atmospheric pressure in a combustion engine. I am not certain who came up with this "implosion" term in relation to piston combustion engines, and Joe cell, but it is a blatant nonsense.

I just pointed out that you do not need to go through the compression cycle in a combustion engine run with water.

"Implosion" term was coined by Victor Shauberger and the term has validity in relation to his work. But, it is not applicable to dissimilar systems. What Shauberger was trying to address with the term was the fact that gravitational acceleration as well as centrifugal acceleration are not in principle equivalent to Newtonian based ideas of acceleration by an external force applied by lets say a piston, or a spring. Gravitational and centrifugal acceleration in a correctly executed system creates tension in the accelerated liquids and gases, rather than pressure. This principle has nothing to do with anything in piston engines.

With kind regards, Slavek.

[Farside]

bWAHAHAHA

Good Bye Everyone,

I can no longer teach on this forum for it is not safe for me to do so. Further more I do not give my permission to place any of my work, theories, and/or videos I have now or will make in the future on this forum. I ask that all threads started by me be deleted as I will not be posting anymore on this forum.
Sorry if I seem to let people down but I must safguard the safty of my family first as I must look out for their safty above all else. Take care everyone and best of luck on becoming energy independent.

h2opower.

Seriously H2opower , you truely are a comedian . You havent changed a bit since the ionizationx days . This guy is always throwing the same hissy fit about HIS posts .

First off this is a public forum , the posts dont belong to you , second why would we care about your posts ?

And What videos I ask ?

Your youtube hasnt even been updated for 2 years .

Well, it's for real this time dankie.

To the one who prompted this action - I am absolutely stunned you haven't been banned.

After what you did, I'm not surprised at all that H20Power has gone.

Nice job you fool. You're just not happy until you drag others down into the miserable pit you call your life.

[Tecstatic]

History repeats itself.

I'm done "Dudes".

All vids will be private and I don't give a big one what the lurkers want to say and come all. It only takes one bad apple int he box and I have tried to cull far to many.

So free loaders have at it, I will be asking admin to remove my account so I can not post regardless of the **** that someone may post.

Good luck....................

You know, I regret bringing Dr. Stiffler here as I thought this time it would be different than the OU forum. Granted, it lasted longer, but at then end he left this place, upset, as well.

I think the issue is having a forum ran by a single individual unwilling to compromise and allow other people to manage things. Ultimately it leads to stagnation and decay...I know as I have been there.

I was once unwilling to compromise and let others to things as I thought they might not be able to handle it or do it "right". At the end, what could have been, simply withered and faded away from it's former glory and now dwindles neglected.

This is my free unsolicited comment and advice, based on first hand experience.

Good Bye Everyone,

I can no longer teach on this forum for it is not safe for me to do so. Further more I do not give my permission to place any of my work, theories, and/or videos I have now or will make in the future on this forum. I ask that all threads started by me be deleted as I will not be posting anymore on this forum.
Sorry if I seem to let people down but I must safguard the safty of my family first as I must look out for their safty above all else. Take care everyone and best of luck on becoming energy independent.

h2opower.

Originally Posted by dankie
Lol you are really a big headed individual . You never built anything besides that little aluminium tube that you worked on for like 1 hour on and then quit and came back theorizing on this site . Youve been saying for years your gonna build this and that but nothing ever came up .

Its ok , Tutanka and I continue on , we have the skill that you are lacking .

Who is next, if this is allowed to go on and on ?

It doesn't matter to me who is right or wrong, posting insults like this last example (and many others ) should IMHO be warned and removed, second time offender kicked from the forum.

After a short period better manners will be learned for the good of all.

Finally I was shocked to see active detective work to expose the identity of a forum member. IMO that lack of discretion can not be justified.

There are other effective ways to ensure personal security.

Aaron, please don't see this as a personal attack, I am concerned about the actual methods chosen. Please take the advice from amigo, so you don't risk sharing his experience. After all you have put a lot of good hard work in this forum, as I have acknowledged many times to you.

Eric

[Farside]

...Iīm interested in straightforward progress. Theoretical dispute and endless loops others may like but not me because I donīt want to slow down in producing practical results...

That's what made this thread stick out.

I searched and searched but all I ever found was a bunch of people theorizing, arguing and postulating like an ancient Greek committe. It reminded me of academia where everyone's an expert but no-one has ever actually tested their theories in the real world lol.

What was encouraging was that the 80/20 rule applied too. 20% of the contributers were actually doing something, the other 80% were talking about it. Of that 80%, roughly 20% of those were trying to impede the progress of the ones actually doing the work.

Human nature my friends.

We now come to the end of the cycle where the 20% of productive contributors pick up and go to a better place leaving the rest to bicker, complain, theorize and seek out a new set of productive people to fill the vacum.

To the 20% who actually do something - good luck and God bless you all in your pursuit.

For the silent lurkers and neutral contributors like me - I guess it's time to move on. Good luck with your search.
Like they say on the telly: "Move on folks, there's nothing to see here."

[Aaron]

misc

I deleted my response to Tecstatic. Everyone that objects to what I posted
before has no idea of what messages, etc... has been forwarded to me from
others.

Anyway, anyone that has an issue with it... each time someone keeps
bringing it up...what that does is actually keep it alive and in the
conversation, which I would imagine is the opposite of what anyone that
sides with h2opower would want. The more it is brought up, the more it
draws attention to h2opower's identity, etc...

Anyone that wants to leave to somewhere else where you think you're going
to get all the answers, good bye and good luck you - I hope you succeed.

Anyone that wants to stay in this thread and continue the conversation
about Stanley Meyer's technology based on what he says in his words in
his papers, videos, etc..., then go for it - basically anything that is in
the spirit of h2opower's opinion and viewpoint.

Anyone that can see the validity of nitrogen in the process of creating
on demand ammonia water fuel, here are some links that you may want
to pay attention to - with related links of interest. There are multiple
successes and they all have one thing in common, creation of ammonia
molecule on demand with nitrogen acting as a hydrogen carrier just like
carbon is a nitrogen carrier in gasoline.

Ammonia fuel production on demand from air, water and electricity & Related: Ionization & Water Fuel
Nitrogen Hydroxide ?
Ammonia (NH3) as fuel for car
Allotropic Nitrogen - Active Nitrogen
Atomic Hydrogen as a Fuel
Water Sparkplug
Oz Nitro Cell
Efficient Motors for Nitrogen Hydroxide
Turbojet Engine | Gas Turbines | DIY
Tesla Air MHD Electrical Generation Device

Other:
Non-nitrogen viewpoint: Stanley Meyer Explained
Slow burning water fuel proof: Dr. Stiffler's Slow Burning Water
Nitrogen possibility in Gray Tube:Gray Tube Replication

[pmazz850]

Thread archive?

Did anyone save all the info in this thread before H20power left and had alot of info removed?
Its dissapointing that he is gone from the thread that he started. And alot of good info is gone with him. There were a couple of things I should have saved and didn't. Anyone have a copy of all of it?