Stanley Meyer Explained

[boguslaw]

"The preceding experiment is only one of many equally interesting
experiments which may be performed by the use of only one wire with
alternate currents of high potential and frequency. We may connect an
insulated line to a source of such currents, we may pass an
inappreciable current over the line, and on any point of the same we are
able to obtain a heavy current, capable of fusing a thick copper wire. Or
we may, by the help of some artifice, decompose a solution in any
electrolytic cell by connecting only one pole of the cell to the line or
source of energy. Or we may, by attaching to the line, or only bringing
into its vicinity, light up an incandescent lamp, an exhausted tube, or a
phosphorescent bulb."

Nikola Tesla

[Guest]

I will ask you just one more time, MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD!

Why should I start another thread when there have been such confusing ideas about the ion engine system(you never explain why the parts are there and how they are logically connected before ignition) from you which mislead all experimenters in the wrong direction?

I feel pity for all those people who never hear the truth anywhere about the engine. So many years and never the truth or any logics, just a big mess of incorrect information. It must end so people start working in the right way.

You got the full solution of the ion engine system in a very short logical explanation that a child understands. I include all the important parts of the Meyer system in my explanation(VIC, EEC, Gas processor, Electrostatic filter, spray pattern, water spark injector) which is very different from all "experts" that wasted 10 years or more trying to explain the WFC document without any success. Meyer mislead people but now the info is out!

Credit yourself by all means repeating the same things about theoretical oxygen ion energy 10 times. It will not help the builder understand the engine system. Priming oxygen is important and the energy level is interesting but that info is official and easily absorbed by anyone.

You received the whole ion engine system functionality after years and years of fruitless efforts and I would appreciate a thank you. Help yourself!

[carbideTip]

Working model?

[Guest]

No engine working around here but maybe around the Orion project..... Donīt believe the finished parts will help any people if they donīt understand the process. In case you understand the functionality and start working with some professional people and some serious money(1-3 MUSD) you can build the 5 key parts for the engine in maybe 2 years with the help of sub contractors. But I donīt imagine it will be easy to get everything playing together.

[h20power]

You views are not needed

Why should I start another thread when there have been such confusing ideas about the ion engine system(you never explain why the parts are there and how they are logically connected before ignition) from you which mislead all experimenters in the wrong direction?

I feel pity for all those people who never hear the truth anywhere about the engine. So many years and never the truth or any logics, just a big mess of incorrect information. It must end so people start working in the right way.

You got the full solution of the ion engine system in a very short logical explanation that a child understands. I include all the important parts of the Meyer system in my explanation(VIC, EEC, Gas processor, Electrostatic filter, spray pattern, water spark injector) which is very different from all "experts" that wasted 10 years or more trying to explain the WFC document without any success. Meyer mislead people but now the info is out!

Credit yourself by all means repeating the same things about theoretical oxygen ion energy 10 times. It will not help the builder understand the engine system. Priming oxygen is important and the energy level is interesting but that info is official and easily absorbed by anyone.

You received the whole ion engine system functionality after years and years of fruitless efforts and I would appreciate a thank you. Help yourself!

Listen Dankie or whomever you are,
Your ideas of how it works and my ideas of how it works are vastly different to the point where they clash. You want Stanley Meyer's older version, I am working with his last version or end product. The reason why the science and math are important is it shows Stanley Meyer did obey the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. I would like you to make a competing thread so you can tell your version of how you think Stanley Meyer's technology works without steping on my thread. In his last version there is no eletrostatic filter or water fuel capacitor, nor is there a quenching circuit in your version you would need a quenching circuit. The technology evolved and followed the laws of economics and the KISS method, as a result of understanding those parts of the technology got taken out.

So, No Thanks to your views of how Stanley Meyer's technology works!

h2opower.

[Guest]

I already told you exactly how the last(the one with 50 HP and 7 l HHO/min or whatever) Meyer engine version worked but you never care to listen, I gave you the system logics step by step, part by part and you say no thank you. That is really up to your pride after all those years.

You donīt want to listen to anyone else or argue logically about what each part is doing in the engine, fine by me. Any professional on the subject is welcome to challenge my opinion but I feel it is very unlikely the engine is working in another way since the parts order and tasks make so good sense.

Bye, bye H2O and good luck to you.

[Guest]

Btw, the KISS(Keep It Simple Stupid) method is exactly my way of understanding Meyerīs genius, there are no stupid parts in his construction, each one has an important task or else he would not include them! And his best engine includes all parts as in the WFC doc!

You can exclude everything except VIC, EEC(VIC and a Resistor, ie laser) and water spark injector to get SOME EFFECT. But ALWAYS you will need to produce some HHO(with the VIC) from the water mist otherwise you have no NEGATIVE ION TO MATE THE POSITIVE(ie O4+) WITH! And that looks a bit stupid to me...

If you get the whole picture(the whole WFC doc info) of what I said you would never exclude the electrostatic filter or spray pattern since you waste energy and hence make a worse engine! Letīs build a good engine shall we.

[h20power]

Two choices

Hello Everyone,

Now it is clear to see there are two choices here. 1 Listen to someone that has not shown anyone any science or math. 2 Listen to someone that has shown that the Gas Processor is the true source of energy driving the system, plus much more.

Things I have shown I pulled from the patent and also put that information up here so everyone can read it. The reason Stanley Meyer put all three(water mist, ionized air, and recirculated exhuast gases) in one injector was too enable him to retrofit any car with the technology by bypassing the whole fuel system and computerization that each car came with. But as we all know that is not the only way to do it, but from a buisness stand point it is the best way.

But in the end the choice of how to proceed from here is fully up to you. Build the Gas Processor and electron extraction circuit that goes along with it or keep tinkering with the water fuel capacitor which hasn't paned out for close to 11 years now. Take the red pill and you will see how far the story goes or take the blue pill and wake up beliving what ever you want to belive the choice is yours.


h2opower.

[h20power]

Another video of Stanley Meyer talking about the Gas Processor. YouTube - Stanley A Myers New Energy Colorado 1993 -9

Energy independence from dream to reality,


h2opower.

[Guest]

I believe I am trying to understand the system principle before looking in a table for ion levels. If you call that maths or science.....

I bet you donīt even have a B.SC. in maths or physics so why attacking? Since you tried this for 10-15 years without success why should we listen to you at all?

IF YOU DONīT GET THE SYSTEM LOGICS NOTHING WILL WORK OUT FOR YOU.....

Stan first did HHO from liquid water(WFC classics) and later from water mist(less well known but still official info from Wikipedia...) to simplify his construction and avoid security issues in transporting HHO from water bath to cylinder ignition. Did you hear what I just said?

That is why he pulsed the water mist just before ignition. So he could avoid the security problem and get the ion reaction on demand inside the cylinder. Stan pulses HV, HF inside the water spark injector, when there are enough electrons available from HHO molecules there will be ignition between oxygen ions and HHO electrons through the water mist.

With the oxygen ions and water mist around the HHO electrons there was enough steam energy to run the engine.

Pretty simple this. And the gas processor is very simple, a few VICs to prime the oxygen from ambient air in different steps. There is no need to make a fuss about this.

If you want to discuss the details of the VIC/EEC because you think you are the emperor of this empire too, be my guest!

Tell me, how do you plan to balance the parameters of L, C, R and materials choices so that you get mutual inductance coupling through the ferrite core, a high electric resonance frequency, acoustic resonance and no short connection in the cell at the same time?

Tell me which kind of ferrite core you are using, its diameter, at what point is the mutual inductance coupling destroyed in your core? Why is there a need for a multispool VIC? How do you control your burst generator?

When will you calm down starting to think and drop your ever growing pride and prestige and start listening to people?

People are not stupid even if you believe it. Some people will always have a brain capacity far superior to yours, just realize that and start listening a bit to other people.

Many humble people cooperating can move a mountain. By yourself you can do very little. Even Stan had many people helping him over the years.

Now that the principle is working out we can focus on the details of the VIC/EEC(same thing basically).

Maybe a new thread is now a good idea, we really are finished here.

[chub]

puzzle pieces.

The ionization energies is a two way street, what goes up must come down, so it takes the same amount of energy to raise the energy levels as you get from the energy levels on their way down. But what is different in what Stanley Meyer did was to make a light intermix chamber in combination with an ionization chamber. If you think about it it is the same conditions found on the top of the lightning clouds and the earth's ionosphere. There it forms a capacitor too that light is able to mix with the atoms, just like the Gas Processor. So now light energy has been added to the equation, but Stanley Meyer didn't really give us much help here . Things we have to know are what wavelengths to use for who knows which ones will work best. I suggest focusing in on oxygen's wavelengths, but there are more than 73 to choose from everyone is going to have to just give some a try.h2opower.

Thanks for your insight, however I'm still a bit puzzled on a few things. I must admit I'm a total noob and in the process of going through solid state chemistry books to understand and see if I can pick up the experimental hobby.

So here goes: you said it takes the same amount of energy to get the Oxygen to the 4th level energy state, as what is released from the Oxygen? You determined that by reading or listening to Stanley's videos stating that it misses 4 electrons (that is what I heard in the videos). am I on the rite track here so far? Now should you not then include the energy used to get the oxygen to the 4th energy level state in your maths? If you did that wouldn't the net result become negative again? I feel like I'm missing something here.

So the point of the gas processor was to remove the electrons from oxygen by using a specific visible light spectrum/frequency for each energy level of Oxygen. So by removing the electron, the electron could freely move back to another Oxygen or... extract the electrons in a circuit (positively charged/ionized)? Are those electrons then passed on to the water to add more electrons, thus making them ionized (negatively charged)? If the water molecules are ionized, the water molecules will push each other away (water vapour) and at the same time be attracted to the Oxygen in the 4th level?

So the part where the water molecules pushes each other away and slams into the higher energy level Oxygen. All happens in the cylinder? But they are prepared in the gas processor? Is that what Stanley mean by water fracturing? So would it then be correct to say that the water fracturing part releases not more energy, but converts energy from one form to another that expands the volume/temperature? Thus not breaking the laws of conservation of energy? If you care to quantify this please do so.

Now another question, what type of materials should we work with.

From Chemistry Book: Page 268

The Electromagnetic Spectrum:
As summarized in Table 6-1, the electromagnetic spectrum contains many spectral regions. Photons from each region interact with matter in particular ways. The energies of photons in the visible and UV regions of the spectrum match the possible energy changes for many atomic and molecular electrons. For example, retinal, a molecular pigment in the eye, absorbs a photon of visible light in the first step of the process that allows us to see. This "match" between photon energies and electron energies occurs on in the visible and UV regions.

Photons whose energies fall in other regions of the electromagnetic spectrum also interact with matter, but they have either too much or too little energy to move electrons into excited states. Photons in the x-ray and gamma-ray regions have energies high enough to generate ions by completely removing electrons from atoms and molecules. These ions are highly reactive and can cause serious damage to the material that absorbs the photons. However, under closely controlled conditions, x rays are used in medical imaging, and gamma rays are used to treat cancer.

Do we only need visible light? Could you supply some more information on what you had in mind. Or some quote to how to achieve energy level changes on Oxygen specifically?

[h20power]

Answers for Chub

Hi Chub,
The way it works is just like a lightining storm, we are recreating the same envirenment. It's mother natures way to ionized atoms, our very own bodies use pulsed electrical impulses. A lightining storm is just water vapor, air, and sun rays, sound familar? How I determin that energy levels are a two way street was by reading, I stop listening to Stanley Meyer a long time ago and started asking and answering my own questions I had on the technology, I couldn't have gotten this far if I just stayed in the patent. The freshly stripped electrons are consumed in the form of heat by the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) thus not allowing the unstable oxygen atoms to reach a stable state. I would suggest studying corona discharges too to better understand the mechanizims of the Gas Processor. The MIT video shows a lot of what we need to know on how the Gas Processor works, since it is a Gas Processor. It creates ozone due to no air flow and EEC to consume the stripped electrons. They estimate that the ions are moving at a rate of 20m/s and the distance it has to travel is less than 3 cm. Also remember in a capcitive sense it always hit the surface at a 90 degree angle or perpendicular.

As far as adding up the energies it takes to strip the electrons the LEDs take about 100 milliamps to a max of 1 amp and the capacitor takes also only milliamps. The thing this Gas Processor is doing is multiplying the energies of both the light and electricity how much I am not sure but I do know that is what it is doing. The surfaces of the capacitor are reflective so they bounce the light all over the place inside of the Gas Processor getting the most out of the energy the light has to offer and the capacitor acts that way for every atom of the capacitor is sending energy perpendicular to the both surfaces again acting in a mulitplying fassion. I supose I could use Avogadro's number = 6.0221415 Ũ 10Ũ23 to try and sum up all of the energies. But once you look at it from that sense it is easy to see that the energy levels are very high inside of this Gas Processor. It helps to think of the Gas Processor as a photon and electrical atom bombarding device. Again mother nature has been doing this since before our time.

You are correct on the ions, the stripped oxygen atoms are positive and the electrified water mist from the injectors are negetive. As for quantifing everying I wont, that I will leave for the science guys that get paid to work with Avogadro's number to solve. I will just understand what it is doing and go on from there, okay? I am not going to add up all the atoms on the surfaces of my capacitor and sum up the energies therein. For we already know that the air(or oxygen) gets ionized by the corona discharges, the MIT video YouTube - Lec 10 | MIT 6.013 Electromagnetics and Applications, Fall 2 shows proof of that concept very well.

As for the photons that effect oxygen here are 73 wavelenghts that have an effect on oxygen: http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/oxygen.txt But there are more for atomic oxygen is 777.19 nm, but as I said before which one of these or combination of these are most effective will have to be found through expirementation.

I approach this technology from a point of understanding, and making a definition of terms of Stanley Meyer's words is very much needed. I hope this explains a lot and/or helps some.


h2opower.

[h20power]

I believe I am trying to understand the system principle before looking in a table for ion levels. If you call that maths or science.....

I bet you donīt even have a B.SC. in maths or physics so why attacking? Since you tried this for 10-15 years without success why should we listen to you at all?

IF YOU DONīT GET THE SYSTEM LOGICS NOTHING WILL WORK OUT FOR YOU.....

Stan first did HHO from liquid water(WFC classics) and later from water mist(less well known but still official info from Wikipedia...) to simplify his construction and avoid security issues in transporting HHO from water bath to cylinder ignition. Did you hear what I just said?

That is why he pulsed the water mist just before ignition. So he could avoid the security problem and get the ion reaction on demand inside the cylinder. Stan pulses HV, HF inside the water spark injector, when there are enough electrons available from HHO molecules there will be ignition between oxygen ions and HHO electrons through the water mist.

With the oxygen ions and water mist around the HHO electrons there was enough steam energy to run the engine.

Pretty simple this. And the gas processor is very simple, a few VICs to prime the oxygen from ambient air in different steps. There is no need to make a fuss about this.

If you want to discuss the details of the VIC/EEC because you think you are the emperor of this empire too, be my guest!

Tell me, how do you plan to balance the parameters of L, C, R and materials choices so that you get mutual inductance coupling through the ferrite core, a high electric resonance frequency, acoustic resonance and no short connection in the cell at the same time?

Tell me which kind of ferrite core you are using, its diameter, at what point is the mutual inductance coupling destroyed in your core? Why is there a need for a multispool VIC? How do you control your burst generator?

When will you calm down starting to think and drop your ever growing pride and prestige and start listening to people?

People are not stupid even if you believe it. Some people will always have a brain capacity far superior to yours, just realize that and start listening a bit to other people.

Many humble people cooperating can move a mountain. By yourself you can do very little. Even Stan had many people helping him over the years.

Now that the principle is working out we can focus on the details of the VIC/EEC(same thing basically).

Maybe a new thread is now a good idea, we really are finished here.

It only took me 31 months to solve this, sorry but I was off fighting in the war on terror before that sevring my country. Yes, please start a new thread for I am tired of you stepping on mine.

Good bye Gauss, have fun in your new thread, and thanks for leaving this one.


h2opower.

[Guest]

Well done H2O, congrats!

[OUstupid]

H2OPOWER , you are confused

Here is a picture of the real VIC , made by Meyers himself ...

good day



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