Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

Once again so I understand, the injectors purpose is to give the water mist a negative charge so that the positive oxygen can react with it? It's not necessarily producing HHO? The reaction happens upon ignition, correct? How does the injector give the mist a negative charge? The outer elctrode is mounted to the engine. Does the inner electrode have a hv positive charge? I guess the real question I should be asking is, is the injector necessary to make the reaction occur? It's been stated before with your calculations that the reaction can happen if there are enough electrons stripped from the oxygen.

Next question would be on delivery. My test that I'm planning doing will be on a 5 - 10 HP Briggs. Does the mixture need to be injected with 100 - 120 psi like SM stated? Can the mixture be metered in using the engines vacuum? If not what kind of displacement pumps and fast acting valves would be best? I was planning on taking the carb. and intake manifold off and fabricating a new intake with ports for the mixture. Is this a good approach?

1st question: If you switch the injectors positive and negetive placements from this patent: Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System due to the outside (7a,7b) of the injector is connected to the head of the engine which is grounded. Then you have to look at where the water is being injected from which is 3a, 1a is for ionized gases, and 2a is for recirculated exhaust gases. Looking at this we can see that the air gases create a column of air all around the positive electrode(Meyer has it labed as negetive 8). The voltage zone is 7a/b and 8, and water being a dielectric liquid picks up an induced image charge from these voltage zones. Yes, I think this is nessasary despite my saying the water mist is being split by the unstable oxygen atoms. But the voltage given to the water molecule helps to break the water down also. If you ask me the voltage given to the water fuel injectors is set, and the voltage given to the Gas Processor is veryable keeping pace with the engines systems and needs.

The error would be to take out the 1836 kJ/mol and add it back to the system in my math calculations and take the energy from what the injectors are taking to run and do their job of breaking down the water molecule. But the power of the system still comes form the Gas Processor none the less.

2nd question: All that has to be tested out I am affaid, for I don't have the answer to most of those questions. Does it have to be at 125 psi? Again not sure but mine are. I got my pump from here: Snow Performance: Home

Best of luck in you efforts,

h2opower.

[h20power]

You are right h2o but you still missing one thing the current created by the ionization is huge so you can use it to split the water, you got it? Where you can harvest he energy in a resonant circuit? Do you know? If is a small R between the inductor and the capacitor if you have a big impedance in parallel with the capacitor. I'm working on this since 3 years ago but now we need investments, some money to construct the prototypes as it's not only about stainless steel and inductors there also especial catalysts to help split and keep the molecule apart. Any way the device for doing such thing is very big and so we got to get a better efficiency from the motor or we are just spent lots of energy on the conversion . so all we need to do is to use a compressor and a heat exchanger and use direct injection like diesel engines this way you recycle the heat lost by the engine arriving maybe 75% efficiency. this way we may need less gas for moving the motor. i need about 100.000 dollars to make some prototypes to com prove the theories. If you can help in any way offer profits sharing and obviously. Meyer estimated the 1500 dollars price because the cost of the parts when made in mass production cost 50 times less. So now if you want this to come out of papers you must have the money and the people who knows witch materials are right for the application. hope it helps

The way I set all of this up I am not going to knock anyones ideas, for in all of my engineering classes many different design would be made at the end and all of them worked. That is the way I set up this summery of Stanley Meyer water fuel injector system to use water as a fuel source. So, best wishes to anyone giving this a try, for the rules have been set now all that has to be done is build it any way you see fit for the rules to work. Keep up the great work!


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

I would like to make things clear for you guys. The bigger the press-ion inside the motor the greatest the efficiency, yes, is all about turbo charge and superchargers but there is something else, if you want to use the water fuel injectors you must find a way for modulating the speed of hydrogen also, and the best way to do it is like they do on diesel engines direct injection, the combustible is injected after the compressional stage together with superheated air and recycled exhaust gases, and this way is much easy to softer the explosion. Do you know Paul Pantone? When the super heated combustion byproduct pass throw the tube it brings away from the hot part the electrons. Inside there is another tube witch the air goes in opposite direction and super heat and lose electrons. The pressure for the diesel engines for atomize the diesel is around 2000 bars, I believe depending on witch motor are you using (gasoline) +-250 psi should work (I'm not sure yet) you have to know exactly how much pressure you have at compressional stage and them use 2 x or more times as such that you can put the fuel mist inside, the pressure for it to work depends. The power comes from the gas processor from the heat recycled and also from the water. Many work to do. Accordingly with what I said seems that meyer used the injector in parallel to the air processor to harvest its power, so the motor could be part of the gas processor or maybe not. If the motor is the injector ground but than would be difficult to handle the high voltage every where just food for thought.

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator?

Best regards

[h20power]

I would like to make things clear for you guys. The bigger the press-ion inside the motor the greatest the efficiency, yes, is all about turbo charge and superchargers but there is something else, if you want to use the water fuel injectors you must find a way for modulating the speed of hydrogen also, and the best way to do it is like they do on diesel engines direct injection, the combustible is injected after the compressional stage together with superheated air and recycled exhaust gases, and this way is much easy to softer the explosion. Do you know Paul Pantone? When the super heated combustion byproduct pass throw the tube it brings away from the hot part the electrons. Inside there is another tube witch the air goes in opposite direction and super heat and lose electrons. The pressure for the diesel engines for atomize the diesel is around 2000 bars, I believe depending on witch motor are you using (gasoline) +-250 psi should work (I'm not sure yet) you have to know exactly how much pressure you have at compressional stage and them use 2 x or more times as such that you can put the fuel mist inside, the pressure for it to work depends. The power comes from the gas processor from the heat recycled and also from the water. Many work to do. Accordingly with what I said seems that meyer used the injector in parallel to the air processor to harvest its power, so the motor could be part of the gas processor or maybe not. If the motor is the injector ground but than would be difficult to handle the high voltage every where just food for thought.

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator?

Best regards

Hi,

I made them from delrin, was going to use nylon but saw no need for it when I made my calculations, and I think it was 400 volts per mil or more. I use a Dr. Dingel type signal genarator that was on the web some years back it made use of the 40106 chip.

Now your use of a diesel engine is great for you should need a spark to set off the reaction, for a heat ignition source can also be used. For the rapid rate of compressed air will heat it up to 500 degrees C or more, but hydrogen will flash burn at 500 degrees C, and do so with all of the other mixed gases you put in with it. There are many ways to do this, that is why I set it up like there for there is no, only one way, there are many ways to get the job done. All one must do is obey the rules and the rules say we must have, Charged atomized water mist, Oxygen atoms missing electrons, and Recirculated exhaust gases Once those are solved you should have a working unit. Meyer put all three in one injector but that is not the only way to get the job done, for your way should also work well

That is why I told the information the way I did, so everyone of us are like the individual teams in my engineering classes. For just about all of us would have working models at test time. Good luck to everyone and every team giving this a try, for in the end we all win


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

thank you for sharing your conclusions i think this is very nice. I thank you a lot. As soon i can i'm going to put some results here. All i can say for now is that i made a transformer witch had the double pulse result, all coils in one direction only. You could please post the schematics of your signal generator? are you using feedback (resonance) ... ?

thanks

[h20power]

More information for people wanting to build Stanley Meyer's technology

On the overunity site I posted an engineering challange for building the Stanley Meyer injector set up, but the site wont let me put in PDF files of patents for them to follow, so I will post it here for everyone to get.

The other patents you might need are the SMTB, and the Canadian patent.

I will try and come up with more rules, but for the most part, just apply what you've learned to the patents. Trust me re-reading them with the added information I put on this site reads very different than before.

Best of luck to everyone,

h2opower.

[sucahyo]

Maybe this is usefull:
Viktor Schauberger:
Hidden Nature - The Startling Insights of Viktor Schauberger

Viktor already recognized that in Nature there are two types of electromagnetism, just as there are two kinds of temperature change. The one that encourages growth and stimulates energies in all organisms he called biomagnetism or bioelectricity; the elements connected with this form of electromagnetism (diamagnetism) are copper, bismuth and gold. The other, ferromagnetism, usually just called magnetism, when combined with an electric current, is the form that is commonly used in electric motors and dynamos for the generation of electricity. In Nature this form of energy is used to break down substances. In water's case it disintegrates the water particles into its constituent atoms. The elements of ferromagnetism are iron, nickel and cobalt.

The water wizard - The extraordinary properties of natural water

As many as 2,000-4,000 volts are produced and directly measurable on an electrometer if a drop of water is merely allowed to fall a few centimetres due to its own self-weight, and due to the pressure exerted on it by passing through a needle-jet. If the jet pressure is raised to between 2 and 3 atmospheres, then the measuring device already indicates up to 15,000 volts.

If this downward flow is collected on a metal strip, then 2,200 volts per droplet can be accumulated. This charge is then conducted by an insulated wire to a vacuum tube, which lights up with a strongly pulsating, dark red glow. If the charge is allowed to accumulate in a Leyden jar and is conducted from this into petrol (gasoline), it ignites this with a jet of flame, whose magnitude increases as the charge in the jar rises.

This demonstrates that this form of energy is predominantly electrical, therefore water-decomposing (or blood- or sap-decomposing). It involves the discharge of analysing energies in ray form. Whether the water is pressed against a wall, or a wall (such as a ploughshare) is pressed against the water (soil moisture), is immaterial, for in both cases this developmentally- harmful, decomposive current appears if the needle-jets or the pressurising surfaces are made of iron. In the case of a ploughshare it is dangerous because it decomposes the blood of the Earth - water.

However, if a jet or pressure-imparting surface (ploughshare) made out of copper is used, which is so shaped that a drop in pressure occurs with acceleration - then an apparently identical current capacity is produced quantitatively, but on closer examination this is predominantly magnetic. It draws together the surrounding material through which it passes and therefore has a structure-condensing or quantity-reducing function.

The Energy Evolution - Harnessing Free Energy from Nature

In every respect, experiments with this formative and levitative (synthesising) current produced surprising results. Thus, for example, 2,000,000 volts per drop of water, which were measurable, visible and palpable, and therefore incontrovertible, could be freed with appropriate charge-releasing devices. With 50 pairs of needle-jets about 200 million volts can be produced for virtually nothing, for which today's science requires giant machines. Even then it can only produce an exceptionally disintegrative (analysing) current, which has life-negating properties. This is to be differentiated from the formative and levitative, therefore life-affirming, functions of the synthesizing current mentioned elsewhere.

A few examples of applications should explain in general terms the nature of this novelty, still wholly unknown to contemporary science. If this current is conducted into vacuum tubes, then they emit a strongly pulsating blood-red glow horizontally along the elongated transverse axis and a dazzling, motionless, colourless and temperatureless radiance vertically up the elongated longitudinal axis, which fills the whole space. If the horizontally emitted current is first accumulated in a Leyden jar and conducted thence into petrol, then a tongue of flame is produced and the higher the accumulated charge, the longer the flame. If this current is conducted through strongly insulated resistances, then cool, juvenile water, free of other ingredients is produced, which exhibits an uncommonly high dissolving capacity and cohesive power. Conducted into a hinged lever, which hangs down, this current stands it upright. It also causes pendulums to gyrate in peculiar looping, twisting movements.

If this current is introduced into ordinary water, then the water becomes cool, dense and specifically heavy and its ion-count increases many thousandfold. It such water is drunk, then every kind of pain ceases almost immediately. After prolonged consumption of such water both mental and sexual potency increases in a truly striking fashion. Even the impotent will regain their potency. Kidney stones, gallstones and accretions of similar nature are dissolved and expelled in the form of grains or mucous. Rheumatic pains disappear completely after a few weeks. Venereal and malarial bacteria are eliminated and passed out of the body in bloodstained urine. In short, under the supervision of doctors, no affliction has yet been found which has been able to offer any resistance to this life-current. Even malignant cases of cancer improved quite remarkably. These experiments were discontinued, because the secret state police intervened owing to rising indignation amongst the medical fraternity.

[h20power]

Thanks Sucahyo,
I too have been reading Victor's books and all I can say is they are very informitive and should be apart of required reading for anyone going into the water for fuel technology. Did you know he created a sort of dam that put out more energy than it took to run it? He was an amazing man.


h2opower.

[sucahyo]

yes, and at huge scale too .

[h20power]

Bi-Directional wrap

Here is what that looks like:

[Digits]

Hi H2O

I have jus finished the whole tread and I agree with you 100% I was working on the same theory for weeks now but you have put the maths to my theory thanks for you good work.
Like your tecknique of every one trying to achieve out of his own eye point of view,should bring allot of ideas forward.
hopefully I have some results soon to show.
Please keep this tread going,and for guess or any one with bad comintory in South Africa we have a saying that goes 'if you dont have somthing good to say then rather keep silent'

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[h20power]

Your welcome Digits,
Just pass the word to as many as you can is all I ask so the revolution kicks off in style.

Now I am going to set this up as an engineering project as a result I will not tell you how to build, construct, and/or design your projects if you so choose to make them. The idea is simple, to get as many different models as possible that all work. You have been shown where the power truly comes from and how everything works for the water fuel injector system, not the WFC in use with the gasous type injectors. Read everything as a set of rules to follow, anyway you see fit on how to apply what you have read is up to you.

Again I stress that this is to be a engineering type project, the full build of the design shall come from the individual and/or teams that want to work together on it. And most important of all is to have fun


h2opower

[Digits]

H2O I have a question

How do I know how many electrons I have striped off?
Is there a way to calculate it or the amount of voltage I use or the amount of gas pasing through the Injector(flowrate) compared to the amount of electrons I exrtact with the eec.
Sorry that I drop in on you with this But Ill need it for the design.
Thanks hey

Digits



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[h20power]

H2O I have a question

How do I know how many electrons I have striped off?
Is there a way to calculate it or the amount of voltage I use or the amount of gas pasing through the Injector(flowrate) compared to the amount of electrons I exrtact with the eec.
Sorry that I drop in on you with this But Ill need it for the design.
Thanks hey

Digits



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Hi Digits,
For what I am doing I start off with 11k volts on up to 30k volts, remember Stanley Meyer said, "By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state." More math can be found at the MIT site. Look for the "7.7.2: Electrostatic precipitation" video for there is more information and calculations you might be able to use: MIT OpenCourseWare | Electrical Engineering and Computer Science | 6.013 Electromagnetics and Applications, Fall 2005 | Textbook with Video Demonstrations

Hope that helps out some,

h2opower.

[Digits]

Thanks

Thanks I'' take a look at it I'll give you a shout when I am stuck.

Thanks
Digits