Stanley Meyer Explained

[CPU3rother]

I do not agree with this....because,
"A free radical is any atom or molecule that has a single unpaired electron in an outer shell. "

And, O3 or ozone is the pairing of 3 whole oxygen atoms. O2 + O....they all have 6 outer electrons. But, due to the tendency of an atom to fill it's outer shell, one of the oxygen atoms will accept an electron from two other oxygen atoms,....much like H20 bonding.


This can be done with AC or DC....and, to make Ozone, there needs to be an arc...either Hot (metal on metal) or cold plasma (single terminal bulbs capacitively discharging)

Ozone Can also be created from Dielectric barrier corona discharge.
When air passes the V fields it losses electrons. If it is left with less electrons then protons the atoms repel one another so durring this time can not form O3 without first spliting some O2. If the disassociated electrons are removed and not allowed to rejoin with the oxygen then no Ozone is formed. Of course you are correct that some will undoubtedly form ozone due to the limitations of the EEC but never the less Ozone could not form first because you would need a free oxygen atom to bond with the O2. This is because there are not a hole lot of single oxygen atoms floating around.
Read about singlet Oxegen Second two links. Read about the steps involved in creating Ozone at link one.
Ozone production process in pulsed positive DBD
Singlet oxygen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Free Radicals

[CPU3rother]

Hi pmazz850,
The EEC can be hooked up directly to the positive and pulse with the use of a PNP type FET. Depending on what you are hooking it up to the EEC be it the WFC or the GP it hooks up differently. On the GP it has it's own screen mesh grid, on the WFC it shares the positive electrode. And the function of what it does is not the same.

An example of the EEC for the GP

h2opower.

Follow Stanley Meyer on the isolated part of the VIC circuit and do not deviate from what he has in his patents until test show otherwise.

This is a circuit I am looking at though it needs some work but it looks promising.


h2opower.

You are saying to isolate the EEC if I understand correctly.
The circuits you posted look nice, but my moderate electronic skills have yet to conquer logic. I need the KISS method or something "off the shelf" that needs little modification. This is what is behind my previously posted high quality schematic. Are you planning to build your circuit from scratch? Would something like this work with a few Mods?
High Voltage, High Frequency Power Supplies

Or should I stick with something like In this schematic? The EEC would essentially be isolated by function of the two separate half waves. I was thinking as long as I don't let the electrons that the EEC captures, enter back into the GP I should be ok. This can be done with the load consuming devises and also in another way.

[h20power]

I am not sure of the use of those products, the circuit I posted is from someone called Tron on this site though he doesn't seem to be around these days. But the circuit he posted looks like it will work and is not too hard to build it just needs some modifications. The way I will be hooking up the GP and the EEC they both will be isolated. But the important part is the pulsing of the two units for the GP and EEC must be pulsed 180 degrees from each other, and the LEDs are pulsed with the EEC. It won't work if it isn't pulsed right that much I have tested already, and that goes for the WFC aswell. The WFI's seemed to have the EEC built inline with the VIC circuit, anyway that is easy to test out.

And yes the EEC on the Gas Processor is not hooked up the positive electrode of the Gas Processor it has it's own grid system that is placed down stream of the air flow from the Gas Processor so it can consume electrons that have been stripped off by the Gas Processor.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

[CPU3rother]

I am not sure of the use of those products, the circuit I posted is from someone called Tron on this site though he doesn't seem to be around these days. But the circuit he posted looks like it will work and is not too hard to build it just needs some modifications. The way I will be hooking up the GP and the EEC they both will be isolated. But the important part is the pulsing of the two units for the GP and EEC must be pulsed 180 degrees from each other, and the LEDs are pulsed with the EEC. It won't work if it isn't pulsed right that much I have tested already, and that goes for the WFC aswell. The WFI's seemed to have the EEC built inline with the VIC circuit, anyway that is easy to test out.

And yes the EEC on the Gas Processor is not hooked up the positive electrode of the Gas Processor it has it's own grid system that is placed down stream of the air flow from the Gas Processor so it can consume electrons that have been stripped off by the Gas Processor.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

I see what you are saying. In my drawing the EEC is 180 degrees from the GP but I couldn't use LEDs as my load because it is already HV. So to Keep the LED's phased properly you would need them with the EEC.

Thanks for the help in understanding.

[Radiant_Science]

Ozone Can also be created from Dielectric barrier corona discharge.
When air passes the V fields it losses electrons. If it is left with less electrons then protons the atoms repel one another so durring this time can not form O3 without first spliting some O2. If the disassociated electrons are removed and not allowed to rejoin with the oxygen then no Ozone is formed. Of course you are correct that some will undoubtedly form ozone due to the limitations of the EEC but never the less Ozone could not form first because you would need a free oxygen atom to bond with the O2. This is because there are not a hole lot of single oxygen atoms floating around.
Read about singlet Oxegen Second two links. Read about the steps involved in creating Ozone at link one.
Ozone production process in pulsed positive DBD
Singlet oxygen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Free Radicals

I believe you have missed the subtlety of what Meyer put forth with the ionized gas EEC....see IT IS THE EEC in the water fuel plug setup. He made the ionized air gasses before hand in a separate stage then mixes them with the water vapor and non combustible gasses...then when the water becomes polarized in the H.V. field the gasses actually grab the stretched (weakened attraction force) electrons of the water. This then releases +H and possibly -O ionic gasses.

P.S. "Dielectric barrier corona discharge" is cold plasma

[aljhoa]

I believe you have missed the subtlety of what Meyer put forth with the ionized gas EEC....see IT IS THE EEC in the water fuel plug setup. He made the ionized air gasses before hand in a separate stage then mixes them with the water vapor and non combustible gasses...then when the water becomes polarized in the H.V. field the gasses actually grab the stretched (weakened attraction force) electrons of the water. This then releases +H and possibly -O ionic gasses.

P.S. "Dielectric barrier corona discharge" is cold plasma

1. Functional WFC produces HHO gases and subsequently over 6000deg F Plasma when they recombine.
2. Mayer’s latest patents deal with Plasma.
3. Water-Sparkplug-Plasma is Mayer's-HHO-Plasma whatever the source??????
Al

[aljhoa]

Plasma not Hydrogen Economy

1. Most experimenters will only get hydrogen from WFC,
not HHO to produce Plasma.
2. h20power, you know how the system operates however,
inadvertently you are helping in hydrogen economic enslavement.
3. Plasma-Water-Sparkplug is the way and
Mayer’s latest patents point to Plasma as suppressed energy source.
Al

[Radiant_Science]

and....?

1. Functional WFC produces HHO gases and subsequently over 6000deg F Plasma when they recombine.
2. Mayer’s latest patents deal with Plasma.
3. Water-Sparkplug-Plasma is Mayer's-HHO-Plasma whatever the source??????
Al

Al, any ionized or partially ionized gas is a plasma. So I fail to see what you are getting at here. Furthermore HHO means nothing to me....it's a non descriptive name someone gave to something they didn't fully understand, or maybe a deliberate smoke screen.

As for the intense temperature u describe....it sounds like the "Atomic Hydrogen" process. (look into it)

[h20power]

1. Most experimenters will only get hydrogen from WFC,
not HHO to produce Plasma.
2. h20power, you know how the system operates however,
inadvertently you are helping in hydrogen economic enslavement.
3. Plasma-Water-Sparkplug is the way and
Mayer’s latest patents point to Plasma as suppressed energy source.
Al

aljhoa,

Post some scientific numbers to back up what you say that lets us see the energy density of the reactions you are talking about in kJ/mol. Time for you to put up or shut up for I am calling you out. You make the claim I am inadvertently helping the hydrogen economic enslavement, how? Also, what is this "Hydrogen Economic Enslavement" that you speak of, for it is something I have never heard of before?

But from what I gather you are trying to say I am doing more harm than good, is that correct assessment? Again how am I doing more harm than good? I posted scientific numbers showing the energy density of the reactions, so just what is it you are talking about?


h2opower.

[CPU3rother]

I believe you have missed the subtlety of what Meyer put forth with the ionized gas EEC....see IT IS THE EEC in the water fuel plug setup. He made the ionized air gasses before hand in a separate stage then mixes them with the water vapor and non combustible gasses...then when the water becomes polarized in the H.V. field the gasses actually grab the stretched (weakened attraction force) electrons of the water. This then releases +H and possibly -O ionic gasses.

P.S. "Dielectric barrier corona discharge" is cold plasma

Sorry you are right about the plasma, I missed that previously. I thought we were discussing Oxygen and ozone not water. I was specifically referring to ionizing Oxygen and not already mixed with atomized water. As I explained, in the GP used to make the "Ionized combustible gas (ambient air)" At least one O2 would need to be split for ever two O3 to be allowed to form, with the exception of splitting something else that has an oxygen atom. The fact is Singlet oxygen is not stable and therefor not readily available. Some molecule that is ether in whole or in part Oxygen needs to split before Ozone can be allowed to form. The h2o bond is stronger than th O2 bond so why would you split the h2o prior to the O2? O2=498 kJ/mol h2o=926.9 kJ/mol

[h20power]

The one thing everyone should be doing right now is designing and building themselves a Gas Processor for in Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology the Gas Processor is in both the WFC method and the WFI method, plus it is also in his gas gun. For without it you will never get what Stanley Meyer calls "Thermo Explosive Energy." So if you haven't already started designing it what are you waitting for?

Energy independence is now within your reach just need to build it and then you will find your freedom,


h2opower.

[tutanka]

Hi to all partecipants..
I'm italian and sorry for my english but I don't understand why some peoples write here.Is my opinion that this thread have the primary object of creation of new energy font. But at today are present only some theories and anything other. H20POWER ask about free energy and free minds, thanks for explainations and I agree completely on this but apart words the facts are needed. If someone of you has made something then that it indicates to high the road, I do not say to put its plans online but to only help. The spirit of this forum is help to extend the mind capacity. Is useless therefore to discuss, joining our forces we will only be able to arrive to the solution to this question. Thanks for read me.

[sebosfato]

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[h20power]

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These video should help too

E induced = s induced/So Now this equation lets us see just what the water molecule picked up as it pass through the high voltage zone of the injectors. The relaxation time of water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. Why is this important? C= A Eo / d is the equation that shows how the water fuel injectors work. Q free is trapped on the atomized water molecules that was turned into a micro capacitors due to the fact it is a polar molecule and a dielectric liquid passing through the voltage zone. Since Q free is trapped and the area is decreasing due to evaporation and the equation states that if the area goes down the capacitance also must go down and the distance between the plates is also going down due to evaporation but the voltage is sort-of remaining constant. As the area continues to decrease the voltage shorts out the capacitor for the plates of the water molecule where also getting close together. This shorting out creates hydrogen and oxygen and is the very essence of how the water fuel injectors work. That is why I say the evaporation time must me less than the relaxation time, and to do this the temperature of the water is increased to about 90 degrees Celsius. Now the atomized water molecules have the same net charge negative and repel from each other and also repel from the walls of the intake system since it too has a negative charge. As the atomized water moves through the voltage zone the micro currents go up to charge the dielectric liquid.

The Gas Processor works in tandem with the coherent light and the electron extraction circuit. The corona discharge strips the gaseous atoms electrons from the incoming air supply. During the off pulses of the voltage zones the coherent light bombards the oxygen atom haven been chosen to match oxygens wavelengths. This results in never letting the gaseous atoms relax and encourages more electrons to be stripped off of the oxygen atom. The job of the electron extraction circuit is to consume the freshly stripped electrons before they can recombine forming ozone and thus keeps the oxygen atoms in an unstable state. Now the oxygen atom all have the same charge so they repel from each other. Now also notice what was sad about a capacitor that is constantly connected to the power supply. For as the air moves through the voltage zone a small micro current is consumed.

Now the reason I posted this is after watching the videos I don't think many will still get what was taking place for it is not intuitive at all and really has to be thought out. For now you have just seen how two items of Stanley Meyer's technology work with science, no magic, no energy from the vacuum, or anything like that, just pure science. Hopefully this sheds some light on the whole water for fuel technology.

The water fuel capacitor doesn't work like this it is more on the chemistry side dealing with time shares and equilibriums. For as the electrons where created on one side and in the very next step the electrons are consumed by the electron extraction circuit the ions that where created now have no one the hook up with, thus putting the water out of equilibrium and the water will re-establish equilibrium by creating hydrogen and oxygen. Now without the electron extraction circuit the water molecules will just relax back into there normal equilibrium state. But Bob Boyce found out that if you give it a space gap of 1/8 inch you can beat the time it takes for the electron/ion recombination and do the same thing.

I hope that helps out everyones understanding better and thanks sebosfato for posting the videos to aid in everyones understanding.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

HI H2OPOWER,
Thanks for explainations but from theory to build an functional system there are some differences. My mind prefigure in fact two circuits blocks separately that I call "Water Processor" and "Air Processor".
In my post previously I have posted my AP (air processor) and WP (water processor). Electrons extraction is very fundamental step into all process but, as I have been written and also H2OPOWER, there are some ways for obtain the same result. My AP is extremaly different from Meyer design and my electron extraction circuit is an magnet that is installed on the same photons section (please see image) but I'm sure that I reach the same result.
I have only a dubt on water charging.. If I have understand better from steam resonator water is heat to 90°C and send to injector how is present HV field. In fact water is first pre-charged electrically or is only send to injector at 90°C? My mind prefigure other scenario.. From air is stripped electrons and stabilized trought apposite section. Water is vaporized/ionized trought apposite section and sended to HV ionization section. Here the water pseudomolecoles are charged negatively. In the final stage.. Atoms of Air is charged positively, water micro-molecoles are charged negatively. When these elements have a contact the reaction is started automatically and hydrogen and oxygen are released BUT WITHOUT OTHER HV FIELD (present on Meyer injector). This scenario is correct?? Regards