Stanley Meyer Explained

[HMS-776]

The difference between H2OPOWERs work and others, is he is willing to show the math that proves the energy available.

[Gre]

The difference between H2OPOWERs work and others, is he is willing to show the math that proves the energy available.

Ah.. Which post is that math in?

edit: I just found post #5

[natone_m]

Heating the water

This may be jumping ahead to the next step, but I was wondering if anyone has any plans or concepts for heating the water. We all know that the steam resonator is how SM did it but i don't see too many blogs about it. I don't think that putting room temperature water in the engine is desireable.

I may be getting my horse before my cart being that i don't have my GP built yet but I'm just throwing it out there. Through my own personal experiences of building little projects like this, often I've jumped into things blindly and spent $$ for parts only to find out that I overlooked something. Now i try my best to look before I leap and draw from others' experience before i invest time & $$$. Anyway any thoughts on water heating?

[h20power]

Hi H20

Listen nice one on the photies it looks great my aproach is a little diffrent but I suppose thats the idea right.

If some one can answer me it would be great.This is just a general question though.
Stan explains the EEC on one of his videos and says that one volt will extract one amp out of the gas gun how on earth does this work?
some one on the thread said that I dont know how many moles of oxygen = to 100amps ( meaning allot of electrons right) how do we calculate it?
I have built a eec with onley 3KV but onley manage to generate a large static voltage in the reagon of 20KV.
BUt I dont know how to make any use with this voltage or convert it to amps to do some useful work.
I have seen how hey explain feul cells and there are onley 2 electrons used for every 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen but we are extracting lots more am I right.but how do I get the electrons to do some desent work?
Mabe this is a stupid question to some of you but I really struggle to understand this.
THanks and keep up the good work

Digits

Hi Digits,
Well, that part even I have to test out to see just what it can do as Dr. Dingel didn't tell me much when he was not in trouble. But the tell tell sign if it is working or not is the lamp will brighten only being hooked up to the positive and the air flow coming from the Gas Processor. Remember a lot of other gases are also being stripped of electrons, like Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide. So to try and calculate it will be just a probability scale in the parts per million or so. But like I told everyone I like your design even better than my own, but this is what I came up with so I am sticking to it. But yes, your right, that is the way it is suppose to be many different designs coming from many different minds as people start to take the technology forwards in a manor that they come up with.

Gre you will find out I am not like all of the rest stuck on the hho band wagon. You should give the whole thread a good reading to see what I put out. Sure I don't have all the answers but I do seem to understand just how Stanley Meyer did what he did to make use of water as a fuel source. Getting through his patent was a very hard thing to do, for one has to learn how the man talks and try and guess what he means using the words he used. I did so by making a sort of definition of terms of what Meyer ment. Just like the one science guy said it is like your reading a book on spanish for all to the sense it makes, but guess what one can learn to read spanish if one wants too and that is just what I did. You basically called all of my posting BS without reading the whole thread and lumped me in with the hho band wagoner's and rip off guys telling the whole world they have cars running on water in glass jars, when the fact of the matter is they are just making gasoline cars into hybirds.


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

Hi H20

Listen nice one on the photies it looks great my aproach is a little diffrent but I suppose thats the idea right.

If some one can answer me it would be great.This is just a general question though.
Stan explains the EEC on one of his videos and says that one volt will extract one amp out of the gas gun how on earth does this work?
some one on the thread said that I dont know how many moles of oxygen = to 100amps ( meaning allot of electrons right) how do we calculate it?
I have built a eec with onley 3KV but onley manage to generate a large static voltage in the reagon of 20KV.
BUt I dont know how to make any use with this voltage or convert it to amps to do some useful work.
I have seen how hey explain feul cells and there are onley 2 electrons used for every 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen but we are extracting lots more am I right.but how do I get the electrons to do some desent work?
Mabe this is a stupid question to some of you but I really struggle to understand this.
THanks and keep up the good work

Digits

Hi i wrote that. 1 mole of water is 18 grams of water witch is= 1 mole of oxygen and 2 moles of hydrogen right. So i multiplied by Avogadro constant to have the number of atoms in one mol than multiply by 8 electrons per atom, and than divide by 2 for example if you want take 4 electrons per atom than = Electrons * 1,602*10^-19 /3600 = Amps/h

1 eletron = 1,602*10^-19 coulombs and 1 amp / hour = 3600 coulomb so

What stan said in new zealand was kind of if you ionize the air and have 100 amperes than you use them with 100v for say and you have 10kw of power to do what you want
on the 2 video i don't remember


Oh Remember to make electrolysis by faraday constant you need 2975 Amps for 1 liter of water thus for one mole you need 53,59 amps at 1,24v you have 66 watts. And if you extract 4 electrons per oxygen atom 1 mole you have 107 Amps. What you need now is to discover how to use this amps. Stan said creating a higher voltage you can create a flow for this electrons and this is not the very basics of electrical generation to create a flow of electrons. something like that oh boy oh boy hehe.

[Digits]

Thanks H2O and sebofato

I appreciate the calc you've given me and yes I have considered that there are other gases we also strip electrons from I think if we can calculate oxygen the we know at least what to expect in minimum values.

Thanks and good luck

Digits

[rdmwc]

now, not having any idea about how much power will be generated by the eec, if it were enough one could maybe use a small heater coil... like in a hairdryer that could help heat the water...? just a thought. i have no idea on the power of the eec nor consumption of a hairdryer heater element.

[h20power]

now, not having any idea about how much power will be generated by the eec, if it were enough one could maybe use a small heater coil... like in a hairdryer that could help heat the water...? just a thought. i have no idea on the power of the eec nor consumption of a hairdryer heater element.

I was thinking the same thing by using heat lamps and the math sebosfato posted looks correct, but since it is a sea of different gases in the air our best bet is to try and target the oxygen atoms with the right wavelengths of coherent light from the LEDs. For I don't think it is possible to target the oxygen atoms with a corona discharge, so that is where the coherent light comes into play. I just hope my best guess hits the oxygen atoms with the right wavelenghts of coherent light to sort-of single them out. I will say this my EEC is very robust with a posible 61 amps of current draw possible before the FET gives out.

Energy independance from dream to reality,

h2opower.

[HMS-776]

Just remember the numbers Stan told us about, the energy contained in 1 gallon of water is phenominal!

I would make my EEC circuit so the applied voltage can be adjusted (using a pot/voltage divider), and start at the low end! Otherwise bad things could happen, engines could be blown, and people could get hurt.

As for the current draw, Coulombs Law states that 1V of deflection will give you 1 amp of current flow. So whatever the applied voltage, the current flow will be the same, according to coulombs law.

Stan States this in one of his New Zealand Vids by the way!

[pmazz850]

possible PWM?

h2opower,
I'm sure your familiar with Bob Boyce's system. I was wondering if his triple pwm unit could be used with some modifications. I'm not the best at the electronics so I figured I would get someone else's input. I believe we need 3 pulses so I figure it might work with some tweaking. The frequency's would have to be the same for one thing. And one signal would have to be opposite the other two(for the GP). I'm not really sure what you mean when you say that a circuit should be isolated. I've already built one of these units thats why I asked.

[TRON]

short bandwidth 255 NM UV LEDs for oxygen processor

see page 40 of pricelist

http://www.roithner-laser.at/All_Dat...t-c-090514.pdf

The shorter the wavelength, the easier it is to knock loose the electrons under high voltage stress. If it works with hydrogen, it must work with oxygen as well
Hydrogen Atom Simulator - Hydrogen Energy Levels - NAAP

[h20power]

h2opower,
I'm sure your familiar with Bob Boyce's system. I was wondering if his triple pwm unit could be used with some modifications. I'm not the best at the electronics so I figured I would get someone else's input. I believe we need 3 pulses so I figure it might work with some tweaking. The frequency's would have to be the same for one thing. And one signal would have to be opposite the other two(for the GP). I'm not really sure what you mean when you say that a circuit should be isolated. I've already built one of these units thats why I asked.

Bob Boyce's systems work sort of the same but but is meant for direct contact with the water. The spacing in his system is critical between the plates. The main difference between his and Meyer's is the EEC. Trying to mix the two mens technologies seems hard, but if you have a nack for that kind of stuff by all means don't let me stop you.

When I talk about isolated system that is saying that nothing from the outside comes into direct contact with the secondary/chokes/blocking diode from any source. Not even the EEC is in contact with it. It can not be grounded with the car's systems or any other ground if used with a genarator. It is a stand alone system and nothing electrical must come into direct contact with it, this goes for the Gas Processor, water injectors, and the water fuel capacitor. That is how Stanley Meyer hooked everything up as best as I can tell. Now on the water fuel injectors that might not be true, but on the rest it is.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

[tutanka]

see page 40 of pricelist

http://www.roithner-laser.at/All_Dat...t-c-090514.pdf

The shorter the wavelength, the easier it is to knock loose the electrons under high voltage stress. If it works with hydrogen, it must work with oxygen as well
Hydrogen Atom Simulator - Hydrogen Energy Levels - NAAP

HI, Thanks for submit this interested model.. but what is just wavelenght for hydrogen?? First must be sended ionization of destabilization to hydrogen atom and after send photon? Is appreciated an reply..

[HMS-776]

pmazz850

To complete a circuit we need both a positive and negative potential (V).

If you find the definitions for a positive and a negative voltage you'll find:

A positive voltage is defined as a deficiency of electrons at a given point

A negative voltage is defined as an excess of electrons at a given point

As the negatively charged electrons are ionized from the oxygen atoms the electrons themselves become the negative charge, while the applied positive voltage to the EEC provides the positive charge which attracts the electrons to the positive voltage zone and completes the circuit.

[pmazz850]

I'm trying to decide on a circuit to build. I saw the three circuits posted by h2opower, but I don't know how to combine the three. I'm gonna build the one with the opposing square waves. Was just curious if the triple Pwm from bob's circuit could some how be used. So the circuit has to have its own ground block somewhere in the car that's not grounded to the car? H2o, would you care to show how to combine these circuits like you plan to?
I figured if you took the pwm3g and change the caps so all three frequency's matched at say 42.8kz, then inverted one of the three for the GP, then used the other two for the leds and the eec. Of course I wouldn't be using his torrid, just the pulsing unit.