Stanley Meyer Explained

[pmazz850]

If you look at the canadian water fuel injection patent, It says that the orfices in the injector increase in size from the inner most. Also that the water is the smallest orfice, then ambient air, then exhaust gas.
So the water wouldn't be kept from coming in contact with the positive electrode, rather the negative.
H2o, you stated a wall of air surrounding the positive electrode. Would it matter either way?
I think it would be easiest to just prepare the mixtures and send the through a set of these. Quantum Technologies - Products
But who knows what they would cost. There doesn't seem to be any sales links so one would have to contact them.

[TRON]

another injector design

If you look at the canadian water fuel injection patent, It says that the orfices in the injector increase in size from the inner most. Also that the water is the smallest orfice, then ambient air, then exhaust gas.
So the water wouldn't be kept from coming in contact with the positive electrode, rather the negative.
H2o, you stated a wall of air surrounding the positive electrode. Would it matter either way?
I think it would be easiest to just prepare the mixtures and send the through a set of these. Quantum Technologies - Products
But who knows what they would cost. There doesn't seem to be any sales links so one would have to contact them.

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/u...jectorDWG1.jpg

[h20power]

If you look at the canadian water fuel injection patent, It says that the orfices in the injector increase in size from the inner most. Also that the water is the smallest orfice, then ambient air, then exhaust gas.
So the water wouldn't be kept from coming in contact with the positive electrode, rather the negative.
H2o, you stated a wall of air surrounding the positive electrode. Would it matter either way?
I think it would be easiest to just prepare the mixtures and send the through a set of these. Quantum Technologies - Products
But who knows what they would cost. There doesn't seem to be any sales links so one would have to contact them.

I have already gone over this in detail here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post50985

And here is a company where you can buy the whole units: Alternative Fuel CNG Engine Conversion LPG Hydrogen Erdgas

Using units in this fasion you still need the Gas Processor, the main differance is the hho producing device has to be set up to maintain a given pressure for the injector throughout the rpm rangs of the engine, so any hho producing device will work. And you should make Stanley Meyer's quenching circuit to protech the hho producing device.

The Gas Processor is the missing ingrediant BMW and Ford didn't have in there designs as a result they had to use a high amout of hydrogen and a blower to suck in enough oxygen to complete combustion. Understanding that the Gas Processor is the key to using water as a fuel source is something they don't know about. There are many ways to run a car off of water I am only going over a few ways it can be done. But the key to all of this is the Gas Processor, for it is something you can not do without.

Hope this helped some,

h2opower.

[h20power]

Nice and shinny now

Hi everyone,

The Gas Processor is just about complete some assembly required:




This is showing the protective coating put on the aluminium housings.

Enjoy,

h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Looks very nice! Anodized perhaps?
You know, when I saw your pics with blocks you were holding on the sides I couldn't understand what they were for. Today it hit me! VERY CLEVER!!
Looks like outstanding work. Hope to see you running on water soon.
I'm working on things, but its a bit of a slower process for me. But I'm doing what i can for now. I'd like to say thanks again for all the good information and a little understanding of meyers process. Now it all makes sense to me. Its like you said, re-reading the patents, after your given explanations, reads totaly different!

[boguslaw]

I wish to know only one thing : what is electron ?

Correct answer for that question will solve all problems of humanity and arise new ones...

[TRON]

electrons

I wish to know only one thing : what is electron ?

Correct answer for that question will solve all problems of humanity and arise new ones...

we know that electrons can be controlled, that they stack up until the pressure overcomes the resistance, that they are ALWAYS negatively charged, and that they form clouds instead of orbits. They are also in a spin relationship, whatever that means.

[pmazz850]

Circuit

Can anyone explain this circuit? Its something I came across in my research but I don't remember where. Looks a little complicated.

[TRON]

circuits

Can anyone explain this circuit? Its something I came across in my research but I don't remember where. Looks a little complicated.

This is the Stan Meyer circuit (assembled from various sheets in the patent)that picks up the pulses from the pickup coil on the VIC transformer and regulates the frequency based on comparisons of peak currents and or voltages to stay within resonance in the LC circuit as conditions change in the water fuel cell or in the Water Spark Injector... depends on application. Search google for "stomping in clown shoes" (or use the link below) theres a guy out there who has put this basic circuit into a PC board format and is working on the schematic. Check his web site for his "Oscillation overthruster" circuit. I have read up on his circuit, but dont have the funds to buy the components or assemble the PC board.... besides with the high cost of ferric chloride to make PC boards, i may never get to it!

Stomping in Clown Shoes Âŧ WFC PLL - the Oscillation Overthruster

[TRON]

update

This is a Phase Lock Loop circuit...

[Oneminde]

A small contribution.

Hi everyone, this is Oneminde allsow known as Hydrogenworld at oupower.com. Iīv been reading in this forum for some time now (on page 12 right now) and i must say that HO2Power did acctually do it for me, so thank you for this tread.. no no, i realy mean that .

When i started my own wfc project back in may 2007 i did not have any idea what i was looking for, all i had was a question in my head; "Can water be used as a fuel source"... and i knew that for me to have peace in my minde, that was one big question that required an an anwser. Now, to make things even better, know this. I have no prior education in physics, chemestry, em field theory, quantum science, electrochemestry and so on, non what so ever. My brain was actually asleep at that time . So even if i know that H2O [dihydrogen monoxide] consisted of hydrogen & oxygen, this was not something that acctually hit me - i did not think of it as a fuel source. So believe me when i say that to discover that you can splitt a watermolecule into itīs elements H and O (as a gas) was a magic moment and it litterly changed my life for ever and yes i became addicted to this knowledge for a long time and still are to some degree. Cīmon, this "little" thing called The WFC Technology will change the way we see the world and how we as humans consider energy and how to use it and how to obtain it.

That we actually one day can use the trianguler method as mother nature intended it. We are standing on the edge of doing so - do remember this when you are contributing here. So no matter what you believe in or wich method you use be humble and happy that you to some degree understand it and that you as me can contribute to this - this tread - for it may get lost and shutdown at any time and that whould be a tragic moment in history. Now this h2opower i personaly believe that this tread is one of the moste important ever created on this subjects and understanding S.Meyerīs WFC and i have been reading many treads and forums on this subject during this two year perriod. And i alsow feel that the words that are coming out of your mouth could have been my words. I know by now that we share a common viewpoint on how to distribute this knowledge, the one thing that separate us is in how (maybe).

Firt of all, moste people are lazy and moste people dont know how or dont have the time to site down and spend hours upon hours researching this or dont have the possibilety to do so - that is the truth no matter what we belive in or whant to believe, but what separates moste people from thos doing so is the lack of will to do so. Moste people just dont care -yes it is a sad world but we, the pople of change must realize this. We (meaning you and everybody here) are the change, we are the ones that are going to see to it that this technology hits the market and it will be done in two ways.
One of them is this tread - the second is a service where a company or several manufactor the system. Not becose if greed but becose whitout it there is no change it will hit the masses on a large scale. You know it and i know it - and as some one said; To defit your enemy, you must become your enemy! (not litterly).
Either you will or someone ells will start this company. But no worrys, the action is set in motion, it is alleady happening as i am wring this - for i know so. I do not need to write this, heck i do not even need to be here as a member - but i am not the enemy, i am your friend and i am willing to do what ever it takes to make all of this possible so taht everyone can use water as a fuel source ... THAT IS MY GOAL, not to satisfy someones greed for money or power. But know that power over this will place you on the top - so you can either do this to serve the people or you can do this to change the world on a large scale... wich one is it going to be? I have made my choice. I am sick of the power consumtion made by a few, politician and greede neede people that have an ego that darkens the light that i am trying to deliver into this world and of them how believe they need to own everything in order to be free - but that is not freedom, that is a creation of hell and that my friend is the only existence of hell.
We must breake the chain of power - be the missing link, that is my message to you h2opower and everybody ells reading this - becouse we are so few and we must stick together in order to do this. Not even Myere where alone in this.

-Now whit that said it is time for my contribution;
(This is a several part contrubution so hang in there)

- Remember that my personel knowledge in this erea is limited for the moment - so be kinde if you whant to atack me . The main reason why i whanted to write this responce is something i call - The Lövström Stimualtion - High Efficient Photon Stimulation of the Watermolecule "H.E.P.S.W" and IS a direct responce of the GP by Meyer.
(taken from my originel tread over @ oupower.com)

gagekko u should have the letter now. And for everybody ells how whants to know, here is the responce:

So you are gagekko, nice to here from you, now to your quesetion.

"Anyone know about using light to aid the electrolysis process? I see at one site they are claiming xenon plasma. I've heard infrared as well but am unsure about the exact wavelength needed. Also, I've read that 310 nm wavelength is helpful but I see that its a UV wavelenght and can't find any bulbs rated at 310 nm. "

It is true that i know some about using light as a source for disosiation of hydrogen and it all started whit the lightcell Myere used if you know what i am talking about?

I did an artickle on oupower called - "H.E.P.S.W" OUPower.com :: View topic - The LÃķvstrÃķm stimulation - "H.E.P.S.W"
You did a responce there so i quess that it is time for some upgrading.

I found out that there exist two frequenses - one that turns of the covalant bonding and one that split the hydrogen atom and here are some of the responces over @ oupower.
OUPower.com :: View topic - New service for OUPower members.

"kevinsatterfield
- This one is for you - 91,2nm @ 13,6eV
Quote:
• To ionize (remove) a hydrogen atom from a water molecule, it takes 13.6 eV (electron volts), or a photon of wavelength 91.2nm (nanometers). (Note: Visible light is roughly 380nm starting ultraviolet, to 750nm starting into infrared. The shorter the wavelength, the higher the energy level.) Some interesting research has been conducted that would seem to modify this rule, and sees results at 250nm.

• Consider what happens when a person receives an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) at the hospital. Against a constant magnetic field, another pulsing magnetic field adds energy to hydrogen (our focus) atoms. Each time an electron falls back to its normal energy position, an electromagnetic pulse of equal energy is given off. These pulses can be analyzed to make a picture of your insides. With this in mind, consider what happens during the electrolysis process. If you put in 13.6 eV or 91.2 nm energy, a hydrogen atom is ionized. When the nucleus receives an electron from the negative pole, the electron falls to its normal energy position and an equal energy pulse is given off. That pulse could be captured and recycled to obtain over-unity results. Whatever exothermic energy you get from burning hydrogen is “gravy? and has nothing to do with the original energy you put into the process. Does water act like a sponge to absorb “dark energy??

• Can visible light from the sun add 1.7 to 3.1 eV, to whatever other energy you supply?

• Very interesting. I like your idea. UV is very useful it plays a part in my asymetric parabolic mirrors. Aiding the hydrogen formation on the platinum. In nature it is responsible for hydrogen peroxide formation in ponds in streams. What do you think by the way of a deep infra-red laser and a hard ultra violet laser meeting in a water solution? It seems to me it would cause a reaction. definitely with a titanium dioxide catalyst.

This is the the one that turns of the covalant bonding and a laser diod of this kinde needs to be special made!
...

The nest text is from OUPower.com :: View topic - New service for OUPower members. and that is the one that splits the hydrogen.

Yea, youīr thinking out loud for sure kevin.s ... lol, but i "think" i get youīr idéa.
When it comes to the 91,2nm laser (in the UV-C band) it gets interessting. Itīs not laser itīs UV.
The reason why i started this research where based upon one simple rule: Photon has less mass than the Electron - thus, it should consume less energy to transport it, for starters.
Then i started thinking .. what we realy whant is to separate the bond between H and O - in other words to overcome the residual strong force.
Nuclear force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, itīs one thing to "know" the amount of energy needed to overcome and it is another to know how to use this energy. Do we "blast" the cluster whit light and thatīs it? or is it a little bit more to it?

Youīr idéa is similar to mine - and the big question, where can one get such a diod??? i have now idéa right now.
What i whant is one that can be addjusted - lets say from 90nm to 200-300nm .....???

Then we have another fact:

Quote:
dissociation energy is 4.476 eV, the energy of a 277 nm farultraviolet
photon.

What .. no, let me refrase - how much energy whould be released by a hydrogen atom if we dissociat it? ..
Are these methodes the way to go to get OU .. ??
What do you think?

I just realised that we are now "leaving" the electrolyser and taking steps towards FISSION, thatīs kinda cool i think.....

...

- So there you have it. 91.2nm to remowe a hydrogen atom and 277nm to split a hydrogen atom! Does this help you? ..

You are free to post this in the forum and you are more then welcome to write to me about your foundings and discoverys.
This is how fare i have come whit my science of photon stimulation.

I am planing to do more research on this in the future.

Have a nice day.

This is just another way to breake the covalant bonding and i hope it contributes in undertsanding the GP better. I do not at this moment know exactly wich frequensy to use in the GP but it takes us one step closer. This is not the frequensy for the GP but the frequense for the step before - this is my WFC... not to bad right

So thatīs two methodes in order to disosiate atomic energy. Please dont miss the links added in the article, it will explaine more of how i am thinking.
And as an extension of my contribution i will add some documents that allsow changed things for me - so feel free to read them.
Actually befor you do - bare in mind that Negative Electricety/Cold Electrisety is something that i belive in for this system - so thank you Aaron for the Quantum key and thank you John C Bedini - E.V Grey - Tom Bearden and N.Tesla.

[TRON]

Stan Meyers Resonant Formulas explained

I noticed that the series resonant diagram DOES NOT JIVE with the Parallel Resonant calculations in the patents. Here is why
It Is A partially Series Connected/Parallel Inductor Capacitor circuit. I will explain:
When the bifilar chokes are wound identically turn for turn in each of their 14 cavities, And Wound on the same core, in the same direction, AND being made of a ferromagnetic alloy iron (with 22 ohms per foot) Not only are they connected a special way IN SERIES... but they quadruple the inductance, which in turn also adds to the magnetic lines of flux that are self induced, in combination with the core of steel (E_E) But because the DRAWING shows the connections of the internal coils of the VIC ( the first 2 are the chokes) as a series circuit, everyone assumes that the electrical calculations apply for a SERIES LC CIRCUIT!
But... thats not the case. WHEN the entire VIC Coil is assembled, the connections to the WFC, it is actually a PARALLEL LC CIRCUIT... which at resonance gives very low current and super high voltage.

Combine that with the 1/2 AC Sine Wave pulses and the capacitive effects of the Spiral Wound Pancake secondarys side by side.... we have an exotic transformer that does exactly what stan said it would !

Alloy steel being 430FR is not a bid factor, it can be any (modern) alloy that has high resistance per foot ( to keep the choke coils within the actual bobbin design) and that has STRONG magnetic attraction... this is very important because of the " electron bounce phenomena" he spoke about... theres some magic in the magnetic fields aiding magnetically and opposing current at the same time!

the first person to put the VIC together with matching inductances (considering that the chokes are connected in a way to make the inductance 4X) and use the right wire and core size.... will have it working properly. The key to NOT ARCING in the WFC is the speed of the pulses. THE FREQUENCY and TIME PERIOD. If the voltage pulse is on and off faster than the time it takes for current to bridge the gap, thee will be NO current flow.... but i still think the VIC is required technology or you will just get normal electrolysis.
thats my story and im sticking to it!

[pmazz850]

Thanks Tron!

[h20power]

I noticed that the series resonant diagram DOES NOT JIVE with the Parallel Resonant calculations in the patents. Here is why
It Is A partially Series Connected/Parallel Inductor Capacitor circuit. I will explain:
When the bifilar chokes are wound identically turn for turn in each of their 14 cavities, And Wound on the same core, in the same direction, AND being made of a ferromagnetic alloy iron (with 22 ohms per foot) Not only are they connected a special way IN SERIES... but they quadruple the inductance, which in turn also adds to the magnetic lines of flux that are self induced, in combination with the core of steel (E_E) But because the DRAWING shows the connections of the internal coils of the VIC ( the first 2 are the chokes) as a series circuit, everyone assumes that the electrical calculations apply for a SERIES LC CIRCUIT!
But... thats not the case. WHEN the entire VIC Coil is assembled, the connections to the WFC, it is actually a PARALLEL LC CIRCUIT... which at resonance gives very low current and super high voltage.

Combine that with the 1/2 AC Sine Wave pulses and the capacitive effects of the Spiral Wound Pancake secondarys side by side.... we have an exotic transformer that does exactly what stan said it would !

Alloy steel being 430FR is not a bid factor, it can be any (modern) alloy that has high resistance per foot ( to keep the choke coils within the actual bobbin design) and that has STRONG magnetic attraction... this is very important because of the " electron bounce phenomena" he spoke about... theres some magic in the magnetic fields aiding magnetically and opposing current at the same time!

the first person to put the VIC together with matching inductances (considering that the chokes are connected in a way to make the inductance 4X) and use the right wire and core size.... will have it working properly. The key to NOT ARCING in the WFC is the speed of the pulses. THE FREQUENCY and TIME PERIOD. If the voltage pulse is on and off faster than the time it takes for current to bridge the gap, thee will be NO current flow.... but i still think the VIC is required technology or you will just get normal electrolysis.
thats my story and im sticking to it!

Interestingly the WFC will not work without the electron extraction circuit(EEC) with that being said I will tell how it works right now. Water is a very stable molecule and it likes to be that way, when the voltage is switched on this stable arangment is disterbed and the natrual equilibrium of water is set out of ballance when the voltage is switch off and the EEC is turned on. How? Most of us has seen with our own eyes that in a pulsed system of electrolysis that the hho gas is being produced right in the center of the plates or tubes and that is showing that the ions meet in the middle. Now with the EEC this equalibrium is disterbed for one side makes the journy to the center and the other side gets consumed by the EEC. Here is an analogy that can help everyone to understand; You have shown up for a blind date and the blind date pulled a no show, for she got another date that she desided to go on just after you called her to confirm your date. Now your upset and leave the area. That little story is what is going on with the equilibrium of the water molecule with Stanley Meyers' full pulsing unit meaning the EEC is in the circuit. For as just after the ions left for the trip to the middle one of the ions got a call to come back that they couldn't refuse.

In short this is what I am saying if you build the VIC transformer and match it up to a WFC but your circuit does not have an EEC in it, it will not work! The systems that are simular are the Gas Processor and the Water Fuel Capacitor, the injectors work on a different princable.

And I'd like to say "Your Welcome" to Oneminde, I am just doing what I can to help bring an end to the energy enslavement game we are all trapped in right now. For once I realized just what was going on I posted started this thread for I didn't want to be the only one who knew how it all worked. First step to getting the technology out too the masses. Second step was to make a challange after all the rules of the game had been gone over. Third step was to also get in on the challange for I want to become energy independent too, thus showing everyone I was not just trying to get people to do something I myself wasn't going to also be doing at the same time. Now the race is on to see who will be the first to become energy independent, and I am well on my way with a prototype already built and a car already in hand for the project. I had a small set back as I broke one of the prototype parts but it is being remade as I type. With the information I passed on in this thread everyone should be starting energy independence projects of their own. If they choose not to build I really can't help them for right now, and if they choose to wait for me to sell the design that just might never happen as I will have moved on just taking the new found energy independence and moved on with my life.

The one thing I have shown is I practice what I teach. Since this technology impowers the individual then I belive it is up the these individuals to seek their own path that leads them to energy independence. I can only show them the door they have to be the ones that walks through it, for I can do it for them. See everyone on the other side .


h2opower.

[pmazz850]

VIC Core

I just pulled apart an old GM HEI coil I had laying around and the EI core seems to be about the right size. It actually looks exactly like Meyers. The only thing is it is "gapped". Has about a 1 mm gap. Can a gapped core be used for the VIC? I could always grind it down to remove the gap but I would rather not do that. Can the VIC be made on a rod instead of an EI core, And still work properly? Or should it be an EI core?