Stanley Meyer Explained

[pmazz850]

I have seen that video before. I'm not sure exactly what "method" your referring to. He is explaining what Stanley did, In his opinion of course. I would go back to page seven in this thread and read on from there. I read it several times before it all sank in and its still sinking in. Like h2opower said, no one has ever built and put together all of meyers technology, together. Everyone was focused on the WFC and overlooked the rest. There is alot that is explained in this thread. Please study it. Are you planning on using the WFC or injectors?

[Oneminde]

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I have seen that video before. I'm not sure exactly what "method" your referring to. He is explaining what Stanley did, In his opinion of course. I would go back to page seven in this thread and read on from there. I read it several times before it all sank in and its still sinking in. Like h2opower said, no one has ever built and put together all of meyers technology, together. Everyone was focused on the WFC and overlooked the rest. There is alot that is explained in this thread. Please study it. Are you planning on using the WFC or injectors?

Iīm going to describe what i seek or whant, whitout enoying other members (for i fear that some of the basic principleīs are repeated over and over again and that is not my goal).
When i mentioned the word "method", what i was reffering to was the energy source and in Peterīs exempel he was talking about negativ electrisety true the usage of John Bedinis chargers - meaning a convertion of the Bedini system or Ed Grey system to be used in a WFC (circuet & energy). I know that h2opower answered a question i hade about that earlier - i respect heīs answer as much as i respect yourīs here. But at this point i do not agree entirely whit h2opower as of yet.
But this only reffers to the WFC. The next part in that type of system is obvious - the Gas Processor.. i get that together whit the EEC and so on. The only part i was interested in was negativ/cold electrisety.. but it might be what you are saying, that there is somthing i am missing (parts) and in that case may i be exused for my blindness! I will absolutly go over this tread ones or even twice to actually get the hole concept. I do understand that this tread is uniq in itīs nature and so i do not whant to misscredit it in anyway IF someone should feel that is what i am am doing here and i do understand that we actually are talking about two different systems that in between lines can get mixed together (if one is confused in nature)

Now to your question if i am planing on using the WFC method or the Injectors?, well, i am planing on using the method that is moste energy efficient and whit the least amount of parts required and in that gase - there is only one answer and that is the Injectors, no question about it
But i am curious in nature so i whould moste of all build both system for several reasons, and one is to see the difference. There is allsow a difference in the build technique - one is "simple" and one is advance, Meaning that the injectors demand more of the constructor (in part the one building and in part h2opower), so for that reason i can not say right away wich technique is going to be employd first.

But in time the injectros is going to be used - that is 100% surten! - Itīs about taking smal steps, one foot infront of the other.... sometimes babysteps!!!

[h20power]

Oneminde,

I will not engauge in he said she said type of talks for it is counter productive. For it sounds like you want me to say Dr. Lindemann was wrong in his explaination or something to that effect and I wont do that. The one thing that sets me aside from just about everyone else is everything I have written about has a foundation in standered science as we know it today.

Water fuel injectors science is based on the same princeables of a Kelvin Genarator. The Water Fuel Capacitor upsets the natrual equilibrium of water in that it is an isolated circuit and when the EEC is turned on it is consuming electrons not putting in electrons like if you where to forget that it is supposed to be an isolated circuit and ground it. For if you put a ground on the inside of the WFC when the EEC turns on it will sense the ground and all you will get is Dr. Faraday type electrolysis for the times the EEC is on. It has to be an isolated circuit and the WFC is part of that circuit.

The Gas Processor is an electrostatic device that strips the electrons from the incoming air and at the same time a coherent light intermixing chamber. The EEC on that consumes any electrons that where stripped off so they can not recombine to make the ionized gases stable again before combustion with the atomized over charge water mist.

All of this was not easy for me to understand and took a few years of constant work on Stanley Meyer's patents and many others work on water for use as a fuel source. Studying lightining storms, Taylor cones, and Kelvin genarators. Then studying the nature of water with a lot of reading from Viktor Schauberger's books. Learning how mother nature breaks down the bonds of the water molecule came from understanding just how lightining storms work. And hundreads of hours performing real expiriments the proper way as if still in a college class room and your grade depended on your work. You seem to think it was easy to figure this all out, and that a lot of things I have written about has no bases in science. My understanding of how it all works has a scientific base that comes along with it. Trust me I wouldn't build if I didn't already do the science for it other than to do a blind test for something I truly didn't understand, like the VIC transformer at first. And the blind test I ran on the VIC transformer allowed me to understand just what it was really doing first hand for all of the explainations I was getting about it was from people that never built anything. Another thing I did was to make a mental definition of terms for the words of Stanley Meyers didn't always mean what the dictionary had to say about them.

Now at that I am finishing up my work on the water for fuel technology I made sure I wasn't the only one that knows how it all works by posting this thread. This is the only way anyone is going to see this technology is for it to be given away just as I have done here, for "they" didn't give us any other course of action.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

h2opower

And i thank you for this tread h2opower. I understand that it takes time to realy understand what is going on and i absolutly agree on the Meyer.

Now what i need to do is to go back and study it ones more - i might have done that loosly, so i need to get real on this. Whit that said, that might mean that i am going to be quiet for some time.. just styding, reading and letting things sink in. And when the time comes, when i get it... when I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, that is the time that iīll reply - unless i have an important question or discovery to share.

"Electronspinning" you say...

Have i nice day!!!

[tutanka]

So what you are telling me is that you can run on 100% water if it is available? Do you plan to only use water to run your scooter? and are you using any electrolyt and in so case what type?

Are you willing to share your cell design so others can replicate it?

...

Here is another question that i am working on to solve and that is the difference between the VIC & the PWM. Is there anyone that can explain this in simple terms?
I hope that iīm not repeating a discustion here

I'm surprise about your interest.. You are focalized, as me, on Meyer concept.. My cell is not standard electolisys cell and don't use any electrolyte as KOH or NAOH but only mineral water, On this cell I have apply some Meyer concepts, Kelvin generator and photons for destabilize water. The internal design is in serie, for have you a vision.. the cell is similar multiple capacitors and each cell is separate from the others.. Now I think you have understand.. The magnetic/photon stage is out of the cell.. The water pump send to pressure mineral water inside to destabilization stage and after to the serie cell. The destabilized mineral water pass trought little holes present on negative plate and after trougth internal serie circuit of plates, to the end mineral water negatively charged pass trought positive plate, on it are present every little holes that help a lot for gas production.. Of course..I have also 13 neutral plates into the cell.. for it I use 28Vdc with PWM. For resonance frequency I have build an specifically circuit connected to PC via serial, Is a programmable PWM from 0.1Hz-1MHz, in this way you can find a right frequency for your usage..

[sebosfato]

ohh boy here you see my diodes and my pll design photos. Diodes are 70HFLR60S002 15 euros each with heat syncs. The pll design have filter parameters and timing capacitor changing facilities and 3 decade dividers the resonant scanning circuit, manual frequency adjust, feedback circuit and driver to drive the mosfet at high speed. The core chip is htc7046 max 18MHz very high speed pll ic. Hope you enjoy.

If you want i can send you the circuit and i'm finishing the design also for the pressure limit in the cell and for the min idle and max acceleration for safe operation with the cell closed.
ps:Meyer was a genius. not the only one...

Hope you can see well the wire thickness.

[pmazz850]

Wow!

Thats some pretty thick wire!

[sebosfato]

4mm because what i said first about the recirculating current. After voltage or amperage if you prefer reach a certain level the water molecules ionize positively losing electrons and this electrons are recirculated with the current to destroy more bounds the high voltage difference create a net Force that become stronger than the bound. Maybe thats why meyer aways said it wont get hot very fast. Voltage is = Amps*Resistance Or if you prefer water resistance * Amps. I predicted that using 2ppm water would need much less current to the reaction to start. It is a self oscillating circuit because you use electrons from the water.

The research about superconductors that studs very high q resonance because of the almost 0 resistance tell you that even with low loss or high q it wont self oscillate unless you have a source of current for the cycles to self sustain. The problem is that its very dangerous using water for this and it must be designed as such that you can stop the oscillation or you are going to really be in trouble. It can explode. So you have to implement practical limits and if you understand what i'm talking about, meyer did it by using the injector. You can chose other methods like changing the Q of the circuit or a way to short the cell in the case of risk or choosing a diode that limit the max current you need.

[Oneminde]

I'm surprise about your interest.. You are focalized, as me, on Meyer concept.. My cell is not standard electolisys cell and don't use any electrolyte as KOH or NAOH but only mineral water, On this cell I have apply some Meyer concepts, Kelvin generator and photons for destabilize water. The internal design is in serie, for have you a vision.. the cell is similar multiple capacitors and each cell is separate from the others.. Now I think you have understand.. The magnetic/photon stage is out of the cell.. The water pump send to pressure mineral water inside to destabilization stage and after to the serie cell. The destabilized mineral water pass trought little holes present on negative plate and after trougth internal serie circuit of plates, to the end mineral water negatively charged pass trought positive plate, on it are present every little holes that help a lot for gas production.. Of course..I have also 13 neutral plates into the cell.. for it I use 28Vdc with PWM. For resonance frequency I have build an specifically circuit connected to PC via serial, Is a programmable PWM from 0.1Hz-1MHz, in this way you can find a right frequency for your usage..

Well, i do know one thing and that is that iīm obsessed to some degree on this technology because it will change my life. Itīs not so much the WFC, itīs the fact that so much discovery is going to happen - for me that is - meaning that i will understand nature in a way never thought of before and oh yes, the goal to make an entire nation change itīs behavior and usage of fuel - for that is also one reason that am doing this.
It started out as a project to reduce my own fuel cost and has grown to a supersized idéa that i can help an entire nation.

I whant to understand this and i am going to. I am going to succeed in reproducing the injector system (HGG) we might even call it a re invention.
There is nothing ells that occupieīs my brain more than this subject and it whant be quiet until iīv made succees. I can wake up in the middel of the night whit a rush to write about it in my projectfolder, i eat it, i dream about it .. i live for this, there is almoste nothing ells that matters. It might not be healthy to be that occupied whit something - but this is my escape from human beings traped in a one way thinking and performance obsession!

I cant stand it, it makes me sick - so in order to acctually endure this condition iīll just need to continue my (our) research and do my part besides talking about wanting to contribute, as a matter of fact actually deliver some real contribution.
Right now, what i am looking into is the oxygen wavelenght for that is somthing we need. I delivered the hydrogen wavelenght and so the hunt for the oxygen is on - if no one ells does it before me.

And by the way, great work sebesfato. I have no idéa what the PLL does right now, so iīll wait to ask questions about that!

C ya soon.

[TRON]

you are incorrect on so many levels..

4mm because what i said first about the recirculating current. After voltage or amperage if you prefer reach a certain level the water molecules ionize positively losing electrons and this electrons are recirculated with the current to destroy more bounds the high voltage difference create a net Force that become stronger than the bound. Maybe thats why meyer aways said it wont get hot very fast. Voltage is = Amps*Resistance Or if you prefer water resistance * Amps. I predicted that using 2ppm water would need much less current to the reaction to start. It is a self oscillating circuit because you use electrons from the water.

The research about superconductors that studs very high q resonance because of the almost 0 resistance tell you that even with low loss or high q it wont self oscillate unless you have a source of current for the cycles to self sustain. The problem is that its very dangerous using water for this and it must be designed as such that you can stop the oscillation or you are going to really be in trouble. It can explode. So you have to implement practical limits and if you understand what i'm talking about, meyer did it by using the injector. You can chose other methods like changing the Q of the circuit or a way to short the cell in the case of risk or choosing a diode that limit the max current you need.

please start your own thread... nothing you have ever posted on this one has been in line with the Meyers patents or concepts...PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD to AVOID CONFUSING the other readers of H20POWERS GREAT WORK.. Im glad you are designing your own stuff... but it is so far removed from what Meyers did that you MUST start your own thread for your Unique design
So FAr , you havent done anything that a kid in college couldnt do with a printed circuit board and a soldering iron. lots of hot air claiming to be truth!
PROVE IT ! START YOUR OWN THREAD... if you really are a genius...
Make a lawnmower run on water, then come back here and post your designs
Or else stop, you are confusing people with junk science and terminology.

[Oneminde]

This is for TRON!!!

Hi TRON.

I found your tread on the EEC and oxygen waveform - did you creat that tread so everyone (or you) could keep that discustion in itīs own tread?
Maby not so stupid after all - iīm going to watch it and contribute if i can!

Nice goinge there - thankīs

[h20power]

I'm about 83.33% done now as I broke one of the parts to the gas processor and it has to be remade:

But I can run the needed test as is but I can't use the electronics until I get the part.

And thanks Tron for I too was wondering why that was posted in a thread deicated to the work of Stanley Meyers and other like water for fuel technologies. Mainly I think it's greed driven in that he will sell someone the items if a request comes of it. I on the other hand am much smarter than that, and know the only way anyone is really going to see this technology is for it to be given away. There are too many heavy hitters riding this one folks, trust me this is the only way anyone will have a shot at energy independence.

We can do this,

h2opower.

[h20power]

The summary of Stanley Meyer work the way I see it is here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post47874
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post47875

Hope that helps those that don't feel like reading much.

h2opower.

[Oneminde]

h2opower

Yes we can do it - i realy like looking on that GP, thatīs a 1īst class jobb youīv got there mister

1.What coating did you use on the aluminum tube?
2.Are the top and bottom special made or did you purchase any of the parts?
3.Which type of diod are you going to use until we have the right waveform(s)?
(it is important to know that we do not know now if there is only one frequensy (one if we are lycky) - there might be one for every level!!!
4.What matterial are you going to use for the housing, is it glas or lexan/plexy?

NOTE; Stanley used red diodes - now this might be important. I know that we are talking about using bright whit ledīs - but that is a wide range diod and i fear that the effect whant be as good, so the question is if we should try to use a bright red led to seee if that can give us resultes - remember that the idea is to follow Stanley... thatīs all. I understand the argument, nut until we have the right waveform, red diodes might in order just to see what resultes we get... or???

Hereīs two diodīs that might be of interest;

This LED is in the 625nm range (red) and have a 120 degree angle (wide) and a Luminous Intensity of 1200 (good).
5mm LED RL5-R12120 Specifications

This LED is in the 450-700nm range (white) and have a 30 degree range (narrow) and a luminouse intensity of 18000 (insane).
5mm LED RL5-W18030 Specifications

[Oneminde]

On the other hand, a wide range led might be closer to the right frequensy - The red led in this exempel is fixed on 624nm (590-680nm range) while the whit led is between 425-700nm whit a peak on 450nm.