Stanley Meyer Explained

[TRON]

Regarding LED's

I have done some research on this with hydrogen simulator applet (posted in this thread somewhere) it seems that once the electron of hydrogen is broken loose from its first energy level (with a UV, 10.2 eV 240nm y) just about any visible wavelength will knock it from its second level to a third or fourth. The energy level of attraction for an electron to a proton at the first level is a few times stronger than the energy level at the second level. As the distance increases away from the proton the attractive force decreases exponentially as a ratio to the distance. So the thing to understand is that a smaller wavelength (towards UV and up to X-ray) has more energy or electron volts per photon emitted. SO it would reason to theorize that the smaller wavelengths will move more electrons from their orbit and also set more electrons free per unit of time.

When we combine this fact with the added help we get from the high voltage pulses distorting the electron orbits, we see how 645 nm red leds could have worked for mr Meyers, of course he had to use very high static charges because smaller wavelength LEDs were not available at the time.

Now, due to the advances in LED designs, we can either go for more output of ionized gas (amb. air) or lower the voltage to a safer level and get the same output he got ...and we can do it with UV LEDs and a lower voltage.
Does that make sense.
Dont get trapped into thinking there is a specific wavelength to do this, remember we have the high voltage pulses changing the equation dramatically.

on another aspect:
I Believe that Pulsing the LEDs was important because of an electrical phenomena called "Inrush Current". Im not sure if it applies to discrete devices such as LEDs, but i think with a voltage pulse, you get more energetic photons than with a steady flow of juice to the LED... maybe someone could investigate that angle...

H20POWER: heres an idea, depending on the angle of light distribution maybe putting some vanes at the intake end to swirl the air as it goes through your GP could get more production as it would mix the air and slow it down a bit...vortex...
Also instead of just going thru once, have you thought about making a loop with two or three in series and recycling the air back through another second GP after passing the Electron Extraction Grid from the first GP?

Try Stainless Wire mashed into a ball, like steel wool and put that in a 3" long Vinyl tube about 2" diameter, using standard white PVC fittings from lowes or home depot to extract those nasty free electrons from the processed air !

Just an idea
Keep us posted!

[Guest]

@Tron, the idea about the Vortex is sound and used in the GEET engine. If you have two counterspinning vortices(ie concentric cylinders) one is going to be charged pos and one is negative.

[sebosfato]

please start your own thread... nothing you have ever posted on this one has been in line with the Meyers patents or concepts...PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD to AVOID CONFUSING the other readers of H20POWERS GREAT WORK.. Im glad you are designing your own stuff... but it is so far removed from what Meyers did that you MUST start your own thread for your Unique design
So FAr , you havent done anything that a kid in college couldnt do with a printed circuit board and a soldering iron. lots of hot air claiming to be truth!
PROVE IT ! START YOUR OWN THREAD... if you really are a genius...
Make a lawnmower run on water, then come back here and post your designs
Or else stop, you are confusing people with junk science and terminology.

I'm disappointed about your ignorance and for it i intent the art of ignoring this facts (science it self) or being unable to understand the relation of what i showed to you and what meyer showed. It's the same thing, is all about resonance. You talk about led diodes but i'm quite sure you are not even able or have never reached any real resonance. That circuit board you are saying that a kid could do is exactly the circuit meyer designed. I'm sorry about you. I wont create a thread because is useless even if i show you how it works you and many people in this world will not understand or don't want to understand you have being blinded by so much misinformation. After all this thread name is Stanley meyer Explained. If you want i can also stop posting as you can say oh you are showing people how to get freedom. I can understand you if thats your problem. Try to read understand my posts from page 18 and think before posting would be very nice. Sorry you all for having to answer with no science information.


The pratical oscillator handbook ALL you need to know about resonance
poh.rar - FileFactory

[h20power]

When it comes to the LED wavelengths it is only the oxygen we are focusing on, for the hydrogen only has one electron to remove. I will tell you this is the hard part for, as far as I know, it is imposible to tell which wavelengths are for which enengy level. For each energy level has it's own resonance wavelength(s) that goes a long with it. In this part I took my best guess based on the research I did.

Here are some energy levels you all can look at: Molar ionization energies of the elements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But know that oxygen has more than 73 wavelengths that effect it. I did as best as I could in trying to find out what the wavelengths are at different level primarly stripping the first one off and then 4th, 5th, and 6th energy levels. But I did also find the 8th energy level wave length I think I posted it in this thread.

That is why I didn't tell anyone what LEDs I am using for I am guessing and the ones I guessed at may not work. I didn't find a lot of information on the different wavelengths that corrispound to each of the 8 energy levels. But one thing I did in my research was to find out what coherent light is and how pulsing this kind of light effects atoms. Also when looking into how LEDs have changed over the last 11 plus years Stanley Meyer didn't have anywhere near the output of the LEDs we have today. The white LED had been invented but it didn't come out to market until the late 90's I belive as I also race a historical search on them. The wavelengths white LEDs put out typically peak at 465 nm and again at 560 nm those two colors (blue and yellow) appear white to the human eye. We need to make them into a charge pump and just following Stanley Meyer on this will do just that, though as you might have guessed the technology on that has also improved over time: Standard and White LED Basics and Operation - Maxim.

The way I designed the GP I can put a spinner right infront of the GP, but I will run the first test without it and only add it in if I see a need for it. Though we are ionizing anything that goes through the GP we are using the LEDs to focuse on the oxygen atom for that is the one we want to strip for it is the true source of power in the resulting reaction once the mixture is made. If you don't know what the mixture is please read the whole Canadian patent on the water fuel injectors.

Again this part of my research I wont tell for I don't want anyone getting made at me if my best guess doesn't work all that well. Only more testing will tell if the ones I chose will work or not. The most important thing to do right now is to build a GP of your own design for I have now seen a lot of different ways it can be done, some far cheaper than my own by a factor of 10, so do your homework and get too building for it is your energy independence in the end so just reach out and take it.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

h2opower

If you write an idea or post some results - "this is what i did" - and everyone knows that it is just one idea or one method, how can anyone be mad at you?
For no one has the right to be mad at anyone here - the only right one has is the right to use free energy.

I understand your point - where you request different GP models - but, in where lie´s the problem if you post your ide on wavelength and nm range AS LONG AS everyone knows that this is ONLY AN IDEA!

I understand that we all need to contribute in this and that someone will get better results becouse he or she did something different than you or me, but since this subject is so open to the usage of different led/laser´s (UV Laser) someone need to take the first step and say; "This is what i use" WHITOUT someone jumping in and misscredit that information.

[h20power]

If you write an idea or post some results - "this is what i did" - and everyone knows that it is just one idea or one method, how can anyone be mad at you?
For no one has the right to be mad at anyone here - the only right one has is the right to use free energy.

I understand your point - where you request different GP models - but, in where lie´s the problem if you post your ide on wavelength and nm range AS LONG AS everyone knows that this is ONLY AN IDEA!

I understand that we all need to contribute in this and that someone will get better results becouse he or she did something different than you or me, but since this subject is so open to the usage of different led/laser´s (UV Laser) someone need to take the first step and say; "This is what i use" WHITOUT someone jumping in and misscredit that information.

Okay then this is what I am trying 410 nm, 465 nm, 560 nm, and 635 nm. I was planning too use 780 nm but found those to be out of my price range for the project as they cost more than all of the other LEDs combined. And I will add this no matter what anyone says this is what I will be trying and I simply will not change this until I have some real test data under my belt. For me talk is cheap and test data, math, and science rules. That is how I do things and it has lead me to where I am today away from the bandwagon of hho'ers still working on technology even Stanley Meyer threw away or have some sort of magic in their theorms. I have no magic in what I have posted it is all real science which is why I really don't like putting up a guess. But you wanted a guess and this time I decided to give it to you. Enjoy


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

Okay then this is what I am trying 410 nm, 465 nm, 560 nm, and 635 nm. I was planning too use 780 nm but found those to be out of my price range for the project as they cost more than all of the other LEDs combined. And I will add this no matter what anyone says this is what I will be trying and I simply will not change this until I have some real test data under my belt. For me talk is cheap and test data, math, and science rules. That is how I do things and it has lead me to where I am today away from the bandwagon of hho'ers still working on technology even Stanley Meyer threw away or have some sort of magic in their theorms. I have no magic in what I have posted it is all real science which is why I really don't like putting up a guess. But you wanted a guess and this time I decided to give it to you. Enjoy


h2opower.

See, it is possible to tell what we are doing whitout anyone becoming mad.. for i am not mad, i am glad.

Now, are you going to superimpose those freqensy´s att the same time (combination) or are you going to use them one by one?

Yes iknow, there are many ways we can do this...

Take care!

[h20power]

Yes we can do it - i realy like looking on that GP, that´s a 1´st class jobb you´v got there mister

1.What coating did you use on the aluminum tube?
2.Are the top and bottom special made or did you purchase any of the parts?
3.Which type of diod are you going to use until we have the right waveform(s)?
(it is important to know that we do not know now if there is only one frequensy (one if we are lycky) - there might be one for every level!!!
4.What matterial are you going to use for the housing, is it glas or lexan/plexy?

NOTE; Stanley used red diodes - now this might be important. I know that we are talking about using bright whit led´s - but that is a wide range diod and i fear that the effect whant be as good, so the question is if we should try to use a bright red led to seee if that can give us resultes - remember that the idea is to follow Stanley... that´s all. I understand the argument, nut until we have the right waveform, red diodes might in order just to see what resultes we get... or???

Here´s two diod´s that might be of interest;

This LED is in the 625nm range (red) and have a 120 degree angle (wide) and a Luminous Intensity of 1200 (good).
5mm LED RL5-R12120 Specifications

This LED is in the 450-700nm range (white) and have a 30 degree range (narrow) and a luminouse intensity of 18000 (insane).
5mm LED RL5-W18030 Specifications

These are too many questions that should be solved by the end user for it to be a engineering project for everyone and that means you have to do all of your own research, even into strength and matireals. The whole prototype had to be made and came from my mind for that is the point of an engineering project. Like I have said I have seen others that are cheaper to build than my own. Note, I will not listen to anyone that is unwilling to build and get some real test data under their belt, for that would be like taking advice from someone that doesn't know how to ride a bike watching someone else ride a bike and then writing a book about, "How to ride a bike." Some see this as me being mean or bull-headed, but those are the rules and all individuals and teams have to follow them for it is the way things are done. Watch by me even showing mydesign will lead many to copy rather than design, it is just the way of the world and I understand that, but they will have no understanding why I did the things I did and that will lead ultimately to failur. If you are going to do this you are going to have to do it the hard way so you understand what it is you are doing, trust me there is no other way.

Hope that aids in your understanding of what an engineering project is.

h2opower.

[Oneminde]

h2opower

I get your point
That´s just how things are, but i enoy watching your GP, it´s nice to see some reale progress even if it is not intended to be posted as a GP that one can replicate - i guess that it can be a preceding model for them how whant´s to veiw what others are doing (like me) - but i have my own ideas of curse - if that helps.

[h20power]

The main reason I posted anything at all is some people thought I was trying to get people to do something I myself was unwilling to do, sort of trying to get others to do my research in a way. The postings are to shut the naysayers up that where trying very hard, mind you, to get people to not build anything. Some went even as far as to call all of this magic, but the math and science I posted shut them up. For now if one added the numbers Stanley Meyers words started to make sense when he wrote of the 4th energy level or more for at the fourth energy level the energy content of the mixture surpases that of gasoline.

This is as real as it gets and what I have done is to allow everyone to proceed to the finish line at the same time I am doing so, and that is a first as far as I can tell. Most keep all the information to themselves as that is what society at large has trained them to do, kind-of a hiden safegard for those in power. Since I know the rules of the game they have no power over me. I am the one type of person they prayed never existed in the world. One without greed driving their life as it drives theirs and all of those that blindly follow the mad media machine filled with propaganda to that aim of continued control of the information to the masses so they can control them. This is about freedom, for if one controls their own energy needs they have true freedom for that person really wouldn't have to work for anyone as all the energy needed to sustain life would be under their control and at the ready when they need it. Albert Bowe's work is only missing the Gas Processor and his words are true:
YouTube - The Water Manipulation Motor - Introduction (1 of 2)
YouTube - Water Manipulation Motor - the details (2 of 2)

For I have looked into it and all the math & science checks out just fine the same as Stanley Meyer's work does. Energy independence it the right of all that inhabit the earth.


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

I didn't started with radiation on my gas processor, i'm going to try with x-ray tubes when i have some money "soon".

There is a very impressive video on youtube about air ionization breakdown using yag lasers 200mj at +- 1064nm i tried to find some information about but the only thing i found is that it cost more than 10.000 euros.
YouTube - Laser induced air breakdown
There are also some places around the world h2o that makes researches about cyclotrons or and particle accelerators and you can go there and ask to use their facilities its for free and they have anything you need, google it.

X-rays are produced under vacuum. So you just need a high voltage source and one vacuum tube some old tv tubes produces x-rays and also some triodes and tube diodes. There are tubes about 50w costs about 1500 euros or you can get on ebay too for cheap prices but for that you don't have any information on usage specifications or anything. When working with x-rays you also need protection and meters to measure any radiation.


I would add that meyer said water have theoretically 3 times more Hydrogen per pound than gasoline effectively 2,5 times because of contaminants and nitrogen... and that it have few less than lpg but any way it have its own oxygen for the combustion.

[Oneminde]

I see that we are discusting this now wich is realy nice.. keep it up.

Now, here´s an idea i thougth up earlier.

If we consider that the oxygen atom reconates at different wavelength´s and that a surten frequensy is needed before the next one can be added - different energy levels - and that we need different frequensys for different states - and that the gas travels upwords, does this mean that we can place different diodes (frequensys) in different levels in the GP - litterly? So that we can superimpose all the needed wavelengths as the gas is passing the photon source upwords.

just an idea!

[h20power]

I didn't started with radiation on my gas processor, i'm going to try with x-ray tubes when i have some money "soon".

There is a very impressive video on youtube about air ionization breakdown using yag lasers 200mj at +- 1064nm i tried to find some information about but the only thing i found is that it cost more than 10.000 euros.
YouTube - Laser induced air breakdown
There are also some places around the world h2o that makes researches about cyclotrons or and particle accelerators and you can go there and ask to use their facilities its for free and they have anything you need, google it.

X-rays are produced under vacuum. So you just need a high voltage source and one vacuum tube some old tv tubes produces x-rays and also some triodes and tube diodes. There are tubes about 50w costs about 1500 euros or you can get on ebay too for cheap prices but for that you don't have any information on usage specifications or anything. When working with x-rays you also need protection and meters to measure any radiation.


I would add that meyer said water have theoretically 3 times more Hydrogen per pound than gasoline effectively 2,5 times because of contaminants and nitrogen... and that it have few less than lpg but any way it have its own oxygen for the combustion.

Not to sound mean or anything but why would anyone want to spend 1,500.00 EUR = 2,089.58 USD on one thing and still need to buy the rest of the stuff? With my test car included in the cost I have spent around 2,200.00 USD = 1,579.36 EUR and this should do it for the complete conversion from gasoline to water for use as a fuel. Now again I remind you that price includes the test car for the conversion. I may not be the best at keeping the cost down but your way over the cost that I am at. How much did or is the car going to cost you that you have in mind for the conversion? The electronics aside from the VIC transformers are cheap. But my point is get your cost down for you seem to be loaded with money and the rest of us are not. But as long as you get to become energy independent I guess all will not be lost, am I right? So in that line of thinking I will leave you to your thoughts.

As for the hydrogen in water 2.5 times stronger than gasoline Stanley Meyer was just putting some numbers out there. For hydrogen in the water fuel injector set up is just being used mostly as an energy carrier. The most you are going to get from hydrogen is 1312.0 kJ·mol−1, and in sharp contrast the most you can get from the oxygen is 84078.0 kJ·mol−1, now gasoline is around 4.8-5.3 kJ·mol−1 depending on the grade. You don't want to go that high for your engine will not stand up to that kind of energy release and will blow apart. Stanley Meyer hid this math from the world and only made brief mentions of this in the patent, talking about needing to get oxygen stripped to the 4th energy level or more, and he didn't even say oxygen if I remember correctly. But since hydrogen only has one energy level then by deductive reasoning he had to be talking about oxygen. That leads me to belive Stanley Meyer ran the same numbers I ran on his technology for it is in the patent. The numbers I got align with the words of the patent and make all the sense in the world when it comes to understanding just what Stanley Meyer did and did not do. Study the gas processor for yourself in great detail for that is how I was able to unlock his technology in the end.

Hope that helped,

h2opower.

[h20power]

I see that we are discusting this now wich is realy nice.. keep it up.

Now, here´s an idea i thougth up earlier.

If we consider that the oxygen atom reconates at different wavelength´s and that a surten frequensy is needed before the next one can be added - different energy levels - and that we need different frequensys for different states - and that the gas travels upwords, does this mean that we can place different diodes (frequensys) in different levels in the GP - litterly? So that we can superimpose all the needed wavelengths as the gas is passing the photon source upwords.

just an idea!

It's what I did so your line of thinking is the same as mine for we are trying for photonic resonance with the oxygen atoms so they don't lose the energy levels between pulses from the corona discharges. Now you can see why I said this is the hard part. I need to run test after test on this before I can see if what I chose is working or not. In any case once the light comes on dangling it's connection in mid air you know you have it working to some degree.


So right back at ya,


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

It's what I did so your line of thinking is the same as mine for we are trying for photonic resonance with the oxygen atoms so they don't lose the energy levels between pulses from the corona discharges. Now you can see why I said this is the hard part. I need to run test after test on this before I can see if what I chose is working or not. In any case once the light comes on dangling it's connection in mid air you know you have it working to some degree.


So right back at ya,


h2opower.

In the image i added you can se two exempels of the initial idea.

ex.1
This is where my first ide is placed. The concept is to place the photon source in different levels as i mentioned. LV.1 is from ground state to 2´nd. LV.2 is from 2´nd to 3´rd. LV.3 is from 3´rd to 4´th .. and so on - this is a physical solution meaning that you have a linier solution. > You need to consider the air flow so you can take the movement of the atomes into concideration when you are pulsing the diod´s (or so i think). Time might be important here so that one can calculate the right pulsing frequensy - meaning that the engine´s rpm might effect the Hz of the pulsing > Low rpm = 20Hz and high rpm = 50Hz @180 degree´s from the EEC.

> Low RPM = Slow air movement = slow moleculare movement - this will effect the puls in time and duration.

> High RPM = Fast air movement = fast moleculare movement - this will effect the puls in time and duration.

ex.2
This is the altered solution of ex.1 - Here you have a group of LED´s and every group have the same width of wavelength (collection) - every group covers the needed wavelength in order to increase the energy in the oxygen from ground state to it´s 4´th state.
In this solution there is a larger chance that the oxygen atom whant pass the photon reconance whitout missing any frequensy (meaning; you need all the frequensys together = 1+2 > (1+2)+3´rd > (1+2+3)+4´th. > [True resonance is the total sume of frequensys].
> also there will be a continius charge of every wavelength truout the GP as the gas rise upwords in the GP.

Ex; The first wavelength need to be present truout the process and this goes for the rest as well, so in the end you have a collection of wavelength´s reconating the oxygen atom. Ex.2 might give us an advantige in that the superimposed reconance will be present @ all time - there will be no gap what so ever. In ex.1 you might have gap´s in the total sum of wavelength reconating - there might be an "overshadowing" effect and this effect might restrain some of the oxygen atomes (orto) and molecules (para) > meaning that not everyone will get the needed wavelength.

Some will get superimposed and reconate and some whant becouse of missing wavelenght´s. Larger chance of variations in effect.
...

I think that this is the two solutions that we should look into, not producing 2-3 GP´s to recirculate the gas several times in order to charge the the oxygen atom to it´s 4´th or even 5´th state > and i dont think that we need to charge it further, a 5´th state (if you get to that) is a bonus - the 4´th should cover the energy need.

Anyway, this is my thought of it so fare - this is not a rule - just a proposal