Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

I can't make the water for fuel system exactly the way Stanley Meyer did for I just don't have the income for the R&D. Since I don't belive in magic I used all the known methods of science to proove what Stanley Meyer did. That is why I started building for all the math and science checks out just fine, I even went a purchased a test vehical. I trust science, the only reason none of the main stream scientist hasn't figured this out is the people that pay their saleries would destroy them. Anyone that has a far bit of science under their belt can make the connection from what I have posted here on this thread for I connected most of the dots.

All that has to be done now it build it and to each his/her own on that one. If you fear to build you will never get anything done, if you wait for others what happens if they don't tell and just take the savings and run off living life free as a bird? The only one you can count on is yourself, for what if I die in some accident or something does that mean this technology would stop for yet another 11 years before someone will give it a try?

If at any time you don't understand the math or science use the internet for what it is best at, teaching, and learn what you feel you need to know. Learn the 5 step inteligence plan: What does it mean to be a citizen? I follow it like it is needed to live, like oxygen in the air is important for life on this planet. From what I have notice in many people somewhere down the line in life they stopped asking question and started to just be the little bird in the nest. Asking and answering the questions is the key to freedom.

I ask the questions and then I answered the questions I have ask in the first place. For that is the way things in life are supposed to be, for you have to at one point in your life get out of the nest and learn to fly on your own. For if we don't our minds will never be free. If you just sit around waiting for something to happen chances are when it happens you will never even notice it, for your attention will be elsewhere when it happens. I myself had to run many blind runs to see what was going on with Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology for that is apart of asking and answering questions. I sure wasn't going to just sit around wishing someone out there would answer the questions for me. If I want to know something I will ask others, then I will learn what it is they told me, for myself. I rarely ever take someones word for it, I will cross search what was said to me and learn all I can about the question I had. Just to learn about the VIC transformer I had to read two whole books for only one page of information between the two books only partways covered the questions I had at the time. But I never gave up, and I never quit using the 5 step plan.

So don't wait for me as something could happen to me, something as simple as my computer going down and me not having the money to get it fixed for a few months seems like it would progress to a screaching halt. I went out of my way to not become the center of this water for fuel technology by sharing what I know. I am not like Stanley Meyer, Bob Boyce, Dr. Dingel, or any of the others in that I chose to share right away. Dr. Dingel has not shared what he knows for over 40 years now, just think what the world would be like today if he just gave the technology away when he first made his findings. Think about it.

For I am just one man with many flaws like any other man around me. But I never stop asking/answering questions, and learned to think independently as a result. So, remember don't wait on me, get your own projects working asap.


h2opower.

[h20power]

Here is some food for thought when it comes to all the laws of thermodynamics: A Proposed Fifth Law of Thermodynamics

It goes to show that when someone constantly keeps talking about breaking the 2nd law of thermodynamics or the carnot model they are trying to use 18th century science to describe events of the 20th century as if mankind has made no advances in that time frame.

Quick history lesson

Laws of thermodynamics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The first established principle which eventually became the Second Law was formulated by Sadi Carnot during 1824. By 1860, as found in the works of those such as Rudolf Clausius and William Thomson, there were two established "principles" of thermodynamics, the first principle and the second principle. As the years passed, these principles were termed "laws." By 1873, for example, thermodynamicist Josiah Willard Gibbs, in his “Graphical Methods in the Thermodynamics of Fluids”, clearly stated that there were two absolute laws of thermodynamics, a first law and a second law.

Now as I have said we have advanced much from the 1800s and those laws need to be changed so that they include us walking and talking, and/or life in genaral. For what good are the laws of thermodynamics if they fall apart when it comes to applying it to you or me? This water for fuel technology is tapping into the wheel work of life, and that wheel is made of water and ions. For without water/ions there is no life as we know it.

Use this line of thinking when told that all of this violates the laws of thermodynamics



h2opower.

[Oneminde]

There is another theory that moste people think of as a law and that is Newtons theory of gravity:

Every point mass attracts every other point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is directly proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the point masses

Not nesseserly so. A new theory is that virtuel photon particels tend to "push" against a body and that these VPP is the cause for weight or mass and that a piece of wood is "lighter" then a piece of led even if they have the same size and the reason for this is that more vpp are interacting whit the mass of lead and less whit wood - in wood, vpp can travel true whitout coliding and pushing... you get the idea here.
Newtons theory (not law) is just that, a theory - no one does actually know what gravety is - all we know is a theory for it.

Here's another one. The bumblebee. According to science it should'nt be abble to fly, it's to heavy. So everytime the bumblebee takes of it is breaking the laws of physics... now how about that? So what is the responce from the scientific society?

"It doesent know that it cant fly."

So how about math... lets look at something that is interesting. 100 devided by 3 equals 33.3333> times 3 equals 99.9999>... what?
You had 100 and you devided it by 3... where goes the missing number(s)?

Showes us that math is not flawless it showes us that there is something wrong whit it and no one knows why!

So, yes h2opower - never mind closeminded people that say that it cant be done, for we are doing it. I know that not everyting have been proven here, but we are getting there whitout breaking any law. This is the first forum that are solving the Meyer technology.

TRON, i know that moste of this has not been proven by us, but yet again, we are getting there - first you need to start whit a theroy and gradually work towords something practical. And i agree whit you that we first need to replicate Meyer before we change something in the design, no question about it.
But if you feel that you understand the rules to 100%, go right ahead and make a change, no one is going to stop you!

[ABCStore]

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For the record:

100/3=33.(3)
33.(3)*3=99.(9)
99.(9)=100

0.(9)=1

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ABC

[Oneminde]

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For the record:

100/3=33.(3)
33.(3)*3=99.(9)
99.(9)=100

0.(9)=1

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I know how math works. if you (as an exempel) have 9.978 you round it up to 10 (even number) and if you have 9.467 you round it down to 9. In some cases it whould be 9.9 and 9.5, it al depends on how accurat you need to be in your calculation. But you still have 33.333> (actually .333 infinit.)
But i am not a math expert, so i want go further here, it just showes that not everything is what we beliveve it to be. Even if 100/3 is an interesting equetion, it doesent prof that math is al wrong, it only show that there are things to consider.

Of topic here, and we whould probably discuss it further, but it is not nessesary. It was just an exempel - but we are not wrong or right, it is not about what is wrong or right here, it just showes that we do not know everything and that we should not jump to conclutions to early.

We are sure going to confront problems even a scenario where a calculation show that it should'nt work but it does and sciense cant explain it, but that is just how things are. Keep an open mind, thats all.

[h20power]

Seems we have a diferance of opinon. I know what a PWM wave form looks like on a scope and one of the drawings show an electricaly controled one. But like I tell everyone build it how you see fit, your design your rules.

If you don't build you will never become energy independent. I understand what I am doing and having been a mechanic for over 20 years helps me in so many ways. As for wishing me luck thanks, I am sure I still have a few more bumps in the road ahead, but I trust the science I have uncovered. I used the 5 step integence plan asking and answering, and moving on when the question was answered.


h2opower.

I dont know about all that MAF and TPS stuff,...

now you are taking the original design into uncharted territory...good luck!

meyer never used any MAF, His TPS was the acceleration controller (That linear array of LEDs and Photodiodes that send binary 1s to the controller chip i mentioned...)cause his design was just like the control you get from a gas pedal... thats what the acceleration control and "digital control means" circuit does, it makes the width of the pulses wider or narrower based on how hard you stomp on the "gas pedal" ...

and therefore makes larger amounts of hydroxy ...

and therefore larger amounts of horsepower...

There is noe need for a MAF or computer or regular injectors if we are DUPLICATING HIS ORIGINAL DESIGN

Remember, if we cant get the ORIGINAL to work, theres no sense trying anything else any MORE COMPLICATED !


Of course the PLL locks on to the frequency needed... but the pulse width is a different animal....its seperate from the freq. as well as the VOltage level !

these three control factors all play together in the power curve!

thats the hard part to figure out!

Also H20...
As for the motor control of the Lazer distributor... SIR, With ALL DUE RESPECT !.... please consider this:

Think this through: you take a volkswagon distributor, unsnap the two spring clips holding down the plastic dist. cap ...remove the ROTOR... put the lazer distributor attachment on the existing volkswagon distributor, close the snap clips... put the ROTOR back on top of the NEW, EXTENDED shaft protruding out of the attachment, and put the old dist. cap back on top of the whole assembly, (with two additional snap clips, salvaged from another VW dist.)

Now you have an existing distributor with a CONTROLER INSERTED BETWEEN THE BODY AND THE OLD CAP. This makes the original cap about 4 inches higher

You still use the existing distributor and rotor to set the timing of the existing ignition coil to about 10 degrees ATDC ( experiment with this from what i have read online)... BUT THE BENEFIT IS THAT THE 4 LEDs AND THE 4 PHOTOSENSORS INSIDE can now additionally set the timing for the FUEL DELIVERY VALVES on the 4 cyl engine...

If you wanted to make a V6 engine work on this technology, all you need to do is add 2 more injectors, 2 more delivery solenoid valves, 1 more VIC coil ( there are 2 cylinders sharing a VIC for the injectors) and fabricate a "LAZAR DISTRIBUTOR" attachment that has 6 evenly spaced LEDs and Photodiodes on the circumference. The plate with the electric eyes must be made to adjust rotationally, independant of the regular spark timing to control exactly when the water, exhaust and ionized air mixture enters the injector... i think 5 degrees BTDC would be good enough and allow enough time for the rest of the molecules to disassociate, but this too would have to be adjusted to optimum setting... so
if your firing order is 1-3-4-6-2-5... then you arrange the order of the control wires from the photosensors to match that firing order, the injectors must all inject according to the firing order...

Stan used the existing distributor to control the injector pulses by adding in this "electronic rotary switch" that he called a lazer distributor... K.I.S.S.

so when you speak of pulse width to control the motor on the dist... you are barking up the wrong tree ( with all due respect... an error is an error and i would expect the same in return)

respectfully submitted for your review !

( the last diagram is a sample of the pulse width signals generated by the circuit mentioned previous on this page known as the "digital control means... i think its figure 12.. and it simply allows more power output as required by stomping down on the gas pedal!...)

TRON

[pmazz850]

Something interesting?

I was looking around at water injection kits to see if I could use any parts and found this. They claim they can "crack" water. Sounds kinda like the water fuel injection system we are working on. They even call it a processor.

AquaTune.com - AquaTune Water Injection Systems

I'm looking for an effective way to atomize the water and deliver it to the injector. I have an idea i'm working on now but i'm thinking it will recombine to larger drops on the way to the injector. Thats why I started looking at water injection kits. For some ideas.

[h20power]

I was looking around at water injection kits to see if I could use any parts and found this. They claim they can "crack" water. Sounds kinda like the water fuel injection system we are working on. They even call it a processor.

AquaTune.com - AquaTune Water Injection Systems

I'm looking for an effective way to atomize the water and deliver it to the injector. I have an idea i'm working on now but i'm thinking it will recombine to larger drops on the way to the injector. Thats why I started looking at water injection kits. For some ideas.

I go over this here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post39933 on this thread.

And adding in the what the voltage zone is doing to the water molecules answers the rest on how the water is broken down into hydrogen and oxygen in the injectors voltage zone.


h2opower.

[TRON]

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For the record:

100/3=33.(3)
33.(3)*3=99.(9)
99.(9)=100

0.(9)=1

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ABC

technically the jury is still out on that one...if 99.99999 goes on for infinity at some point IT MUST BECOME 100 AND THEN STOP! OR NOT ...YOU DECIDE JUST HOW FAR INFINITY IS...IT BOGGLES THE MIND... KIND OF LIKE THAT QUESTION... IS GOD SO POWERFUL THAT HE CAN MAKE AN OBJECT SO LARGE THAT HE CANNOT LIFT IT?
( OF COURSE GOD'S ATTRIBUTES PREVENT HIM FROM DOING ANYTHING THAT GOES AGAINST HIS NATURE!..EXAMPLE GOD CANNOT LIE, GOD CANNOT SIN ETC.)
[Speaking off topic of course...]

[Oneminde]

Heads up.

There are two things i want to address this evening. First. It seams like i was the first to mention the right formulation for the gas processor. One is Multiphotonization or Multiphoton Ionization and second Feild Ionization. What is important here is that this is the first time in history that such a device have been created, EEC included. Remember that Meyer ONLY used Photon Ionization, so to use MPI together whit FI and EEC is something new and uncovered before - So, we have passed Meyer technical and in theory. So i'm proude of that and whould like to say thanks to h2opower for that!

It is important to realise when we understand and do something that are different and when something is proper science and i know that the science behinde this IS supported. There is no need to question or doupt the truth publiched here. I did also mention what the Field Ionizations creates in the gas processor. The science is water tight... get it? WATER TIGHT!!!

The second thing i'd like to address is: Carbondioxide. We use ordenary air in the gasprocessor (the same air the engine whould use) and that made me think. I was watching Project Earth on the National Geographic channel (today) and they where cleaning the air form CO2. They did this by using what they call; "A CO2 Cleaning Machine" and this method made me think.

What if, what if we could alongside the gas processor develop a small unit that use tha same method (chemical reduxtion) to eliminate CO2 in the incomming air, thus reducing the emission for said car even further - we then whould clean the air also!
It's just an idea and anyone are more then welcome to discuss it. I surtenly feel that we could expand the "water as fule" project even furter whit this.

Obs: "The oxygen molecules get liberated from the carbon"

You can read about the program in the link bellow.

A CO2 Cleaning Machine May Change the Means of Going Green - News21 Project

[h20power]

Carbon dioxide is very important to our health and survival, without it all of our plants would die and you should get the picture of what else will happen without plants. The real gases that are harmfull are carbon monoxide, nitrogen monoxide, and hydrocarbons. I more than likely left some out so be kind. The reasons these are bad is that plants can't deal with them, plants have evolved around carbon dioxide, nitorgen gas, hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen, they can't evolve fast enough with the changes man has made in his short time on earth. The ones that can evolve are killing all life around them, all this green algee creating dead zones in our water ways and in the ocean. A dead zone is exactly what it sounds like, no life in the zone. Fish swim into a dead zone and die, and some of these dead zones are larger that the State of Rod Island.

In this sense humanity acts more like a virus than an animal as we seem to kill everything around us, fog's and Bee's are being wiped out. I don't have to tell you what that means to a planet who's eco system that has evolved around them, espeshally Bee's, will do to life as we know it on this planet. Hydrocarbons destroy the ozone also needed to sustain life on this planet. Raw pure carbon dioxide is good for this planet and the plant life needs it to stay alive and in return they give us oxygen something we need to stay alive. The only true answer is to get off of the use of fosile fuels of all kinds, put water cleaning plants on every farm(plant or animal) waters run off same as used in the cities. This has to be done if we as humans are to survive not to mention all the other life we share the planet with. If we do nothing there will be no more killer whales off the coast of Cali by 2015-20, no more Bee's in the whole of the US by 2025-35 and many other full terminations of life through our inactions. When Bee's go we go for the most part as everything on the planet relies on them to pollenate our food supply.

That is one of the reasons I give this technology away for as you have just learned time is short for a massive sweeping changes accross the world have to happen quickly. Hard to belive all these bad things are in our very near future but trust me they are. This whole global warming thing is a lie as those behind it equal both sides, and their agenda is a one world government. These people have been both sides of every war since WWI and this war on carbon is no different. Anytime you hear the word war know that they are playing both sides of it. Carbon is a good gas needed on this planet, the others I mentioned, plus more, are the bad gases that are killing everything because they are not apart of this planets evolotion. What makes our air unfit to breath is mostly Carbon monoxide and the NO(2s) ie smog. Cleaning up the air is only one part of the solution we have to clean up our farming industries for the nitrogen they are releasing into our water ways is killing everything. We also must learn to build in a way that lets the water run through the ground table like normal all of this paved land is messing that up. We have a lot of work to do, and not doing something about it is not an opption.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

h2opower

We know that there is to much CO2 in the air and by creating a device alongside this water tech, we could clean the air from that surplus amount and bring it back to pre-industrial revolution. I did not say that it should be used for ever, just for some time. The gases you are talking about could also be addressed.

I know that this technology will change the amount of co2 output, but we need to act faster than that, that is one reason why i mentioned what i did.
We know what levels it should be on - oxygen content should be somewhere 25-27% i believe and it is now close to 17-18% and it is rapedly sinking - replaced by co2.
We can not expect that such a little group as we should do everything, that is not possible. But we can do much.

Cleaning co2 from the air is a temporer solution to bring back the oxygen level at a normal level - pre 1900, that was the initial idea behind my prior post!

[Oneminde]

From:Can baking soda curb global warming? - CNET News

Some scientists have proposed compressing carbon dioxide and sticking it in underground caves as a way to cut down on greenhouse gases. Joe David Jones wants to make baking soda out of it.

Jones, the founder and CEO of Skyonic, has come up with an industrial process called SkyMine that captures 90 percent of the carbon dioxide coming out of smoke stacks and mixes it with sodium hydroxide to make sodium bicarbonate, or baking soda. The energy required for the reaction to turn the chemicals into baking soda comes from the waste heat from the factory.

"It is cleaner than food-grade (baking soda)," he said.

The system also removes 97 percent of the heavy metals, as well as most of the sulfur and nitrogen compounds, Jones said.

What we do is to clean the Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) after it has been saturated whit carbon, we can then use the carbon in real life aplications as a product. Note that heavy metals, as well as most of the sulfur and nitrogen compounds also is removed (important.)

This can be done by passing air true a mist of NaOH - NaHO binds the carbon but note the O2, the O2 is then passed on to the Gas Processor.

(See image of process.)

[h20power]

As for pumping CO2 in the ground I totally disagree for there are many forms of life that live in the soil, and that is one sure way to kill them off. We don't even know what impact they have in the cycle of life and we are planning on killing them, just too sad if you ask me. Around volcanos is the very riches places to grow things, why? the montain is putting out high levels of CO2. The levels are so high in certant places it will kill you, and has already clamed the lives of many a child planing hid and seek.

You really need to learn the cycle of life for mother nature doesn't produce CO's and NO's in very large quanties if at all. The nitorgen we use for fertilizer is killing the fish and other water life. The way our strom drain systems work is destructive to the creeks, rivers, and other water ways we send them out too. Insted of seeping through the ground it now rushes straigt to the water ways in seconds. Think about it

[Oneminde]

As for pumping CO2 in the ground I totally disagree for there are many forms of life that live in the soil, and that is one sure way to kill them off. We don't even know what impact they have in the cycle of life and we are planning on killing them, just too sad if you ask me. Around volcanos is the very riches places to grow things, why? the montain is putting out high levels of CO2. The levels are so high in certant places it will kill you, and has already clamed the lives of many a child planing hid and seek.

You really need to learn the cycle of life for mother nature doesn't produce CO's and NO's in very large quanties if at all. The nitorgen we use for fertilizer is killing the fish and other water life. The way our strom drain systems work is destructive to the creeks, rivers, and other water ways we send them out too. Insted of seeping through the ground it now rushes straigt to the water ways in seconds. Think about it

Look at what i wrote;

What we do is to clean the Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) after it has been saturated whit carbon, we can then use the carbon in real life aplications as a product. Note that heavy metals, as well as most of the sulfur and nitrogen compounds also is removed (important.)

I think you are missing a point here h2opower whit respect. The idea is to clean the air we all need to a level where we were in the 1800, not to remove living conditions for life on this planet. This is only going to be a short turm solution, like a vacuum cleaner. I am also against pumping it into the ground... but we need to clean the air and this whould be a good solution and much cheaper than buildning said towers.

A total sulution, meaning the water tech + scrubber.