What's going on with the Orion Project and the Stan Meyer "artifacts"?

[captainwho]

Here’s the latest info. I’ve been able to obtain regarding the Stanley Meyer “artifacts”.

Apparently the Orion Project still does not have them, aaarrrghhh !

@21:00 of the April 10th, 2009 broadcast with Dr. Steven Greer & Dr. Ted Loder on worldpuja.org

Dr. Ted Loder :

“As any of you know who’ve listened to the worldpuja network and follow what we’re doing, we’ve been talking with the people who have some of Stan Meyer’s water to fuel, if you will, or water car information, and we’ve been talking to several of the engineers who worked for him, and I’ve had a long conversation within the last month or so, with a gentleman who was working with Stan Meyer at the time of his death, and he told me, from him to me to you, that within several hours, I think he said within two hours of the time that Stan died, that a lot of materials had been removed from his laboratory and they didn’t know who had done it, and so that is, uhh, so somebody was watching very closely and moved in the second they had an opportunity to move a lot of materials, you know, documents and designs and papers documenting what Stan Meyer had done, so … this goes on all the time, many of you know of the example of Wilhelm Reich………………”

So they’re not talking too much about the deal, but apparently it has not gone down yet. Perhaps they do not want to jeopardize it by saying too much. We can only hope……

[Jbignes5]

I doubt they ever will get it.

If it was taken by an unknown source then how do they expect to recieve it? No matter what we are doing everything we know for our limited resources to recreate what Mr. Meyers did. We are making good headway into understanding what he did and are close to getting our own working models. We have finally broken the code that Mr. Meyers put down on paper and are close to finally testing the theories out. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=3217

That is the link to the forum posts about it if you havent been following what some have figured out. You can thank H2OPower for the insightful pointers to the relative places that Meyers left for us to discover if he disappeared.
The artifacts won't help you if you don't understand the concepts behind them. Thats the key to the truth about his ideas. Once you know what makes it tick you can't help but to make a real working model. And thats where we are now.

[captainwho]

Just to clarify

If it was taken by an unknown source then how do they expect to recieve it?.

My understanding is that the items that the Orion Project is attempting to procure are whatever is left, including the dune buggy itself, so there is a significant and valuable amount of items left. Also, who's to say that some of the items being bid on weren't some of the items that were removed and now have "reappeared". I have no further information about that so far.

No matter what we are doing everything we know for our limited resources to recreate what Mr. Meyers did. We are making good headway into understanding what he did and are close to getting our own working models. We have finally broken the code that Mr. Meyers put down on paper and are close to finally testing the theories out. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=3217

That is the link to the forum posts about it if you havent been following what some have figured out. You can thank H2OPower for the insightful pointers to the relative places that Meyers left for us to discover if he disappeared.
The artifacts won't help you if you don't understand the concepts behind them. Thats the key to the truth about his ideas. Once you know what makes it tick you can't help but to make a real working model. And thats where we are now.

I'm all for the research being done here and by others. Are you saying that you are so confident in your research that you would not want to get your hands on whatever is left of the working dune buggy with it's asssociated components?

[h20power]

It really doesn't matter for I already explained how Stanley Meyers technology works right here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post47874

I tried to join their team prior to posting this but they didn't want my help, so I posted what I know here on this site so everyone could have energy independence for that just was the right thing to do. This technology is ment to improove the human condition and free everyone from the grips of the energy sellers having us all playing their energy enslavement game right now.

And I have an inside sources they do have the buggy, my inside source has sat in the drivers seat and he will remain nameless for his protection.


h2opower.

[Joit]

It really doesn't matter for I already explained how Stanley Meyers technology works right here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post47874

I tried to join their team prior to posting this but they didn't want my help, so I posted what I know here on this site so everyone could have energy independence for that just was the right thing to do. This technology is ment to improove the human condition and free everyone from the grips of the energy sellers having us all playing their energy enslavement game right now.

And I have an inside sources they do have the buggy, my inside source has sat in the drivers seat and he will remain nameless for his protection.


h2opower.

I still forgot to say Thanks for that h20power.
Maybe its the wrong Thread here, but i did enjoy it, to read through the other Thread,
and you worked it out pretty well till the End.
Thanks for that.

[h20power]

I still forgot to say Thanks for that h20power.
Maybe its the wrong Thread here, but i did enjoy it, to read through the other Thread,
and you worked it out pretty well till the End.
Thanks for that.

No! It is I that should be thanking you for when I wrote that you must have written yours at the same time or something or I skipped to the end

Reading the whole thing is recomended so people can see everything, but the summary goes over most points. For I was learing more about it as I went along.



h2opower.

[h20power]

This is just incase anyone thinks I am full of BS in trying to join the Orion team my email to them and there responce:

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:14 PM, xxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> wrote:
>> Hi Steven M. Greer, M.D,
>>
>> I would like to become part of the team for I have just figured out how
>> Stanley Meyer did what he did, and it is not what everyone thinks it is.
>> How do I come to work with your team
>> of scientist and engineers? I really am not asking for much, just to be
>> remembered as the man who aided humanity with the gift of energy
>> independence. But how do I become a part of the team?
>>Together we can
>> see humanity start to once again move forwards, and not sideways as it is
>> doing today. Together we can stop all of the bloodshed that is going on in
>> the world fighting over oil, and mass starvations by those that make
>> people
>> suffer by energy enslavement. Please help me help humanity.
>> Sincerely,
>> XXXXX XXXXXXXX


Their reply to me:

On Tue, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Hello,

Thanks for getting back with us. As it stands now, the team we are
gatehring to help us work with the Stan Meyer equipment are
individuals who either worked directly with Stan Meyer himself, or
have developed working demonstrations of his technology or similar
technologies.

We are happy to help individuals such as yourself by providing
whatever information we can about the technology as it becomes
available (as we have with the large document currently on our
website,) in hopes that it will help people develop their own work
along these regards. Please stay tuned for more developments in this
regard and please keep us abreast of your progress. Let me know if I
can answer any further questions.

Regards,
XXXX XXXXXXXXXX
Orion Project Webmaster


h2opower

[jibbguy]

Hehehe at least you got a reply m8

Mine asked if they had any plans for Open Sourcing their findings... And sugested that Stan Meyer did not die so they could use this as a fund raising campaign.

[captainwho]

Latest info. as of May 08

Well the saga continues and it appears that we have to wait a little more. Although it might appear to some that they are just dangling a carrot to encourage more donations, I choose to believe them. Wether or not that turns out to be wrong......time will tell. In the meantime it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to take a chance and make a small donation . If it all does come to fruition, you will feel like you had a part in something that benefits the world. Anyway here's the latest transcript from the May 08 broadcast on the world puja network:


Dr. Greer:

So we're gonna bring you up to date on what's been going on with the Orion Project and were gonna discuss the sort of things that have to happen in our society and actually have energy solutions become a reality...uhh so that we really can transform this civilization to something that is sustainable so those will be the things we'll be talking about today and....uhhh Ted I'd like to.....if you could....just sort of give folks an overview of some of the things that we're working on right now and what's happening for example, with the....uhhh.....the Stan Meyer water to fuel system and where we are with all of that...

Dr Loder:

Oh sure...I might as well....thank you Steve...I'll start at that point then...uhh...that's uhh...we've had a lot of activity in the proper direction with the Stan Meyer technology....we're working with the people that have the remnants of his technology....and we're tentatively putting together a team...uhhh....of our own scientists plus some scientists who worked....and engineers...who worked with Stan over the years. We're putting together a team to go out and visit the material if you will, and asess it and do a preliminary documentation on what is there and what isn't there... and...uh...so we can decide how to go forward with the acquistion of the technology. What has happened over the last...oh...six months or so since we first...uhhh....got in contact with the people who own the technology right now, which was last January, a year plus ago...uhh...but within the last six months or so as it became known that we were trying to negotiate for this technology...is that several people who worked with Stan Meyer...have come to us...uhhh....offering to help us....uhh...with their sort of bonifides and what they had done with Stan and also with some information that it was their...uhh...tentative asessment that...perhaps some of the technology was no longer available as part of that technology set...or data set if you will, or the...technology materials. So what we've done is we've taken it...we've asked some of these people to come help us asess it since they worked with Stan...who worked on the technology...a fellow who worked on his water car for example...was one of the engineers working on it...mechanics and engineers working on it...will be working with us as well as several other people who worked extensively with Stan on various projects...he had many projects...it wasn't just...uhh...it was various...uhh...various aspects of breaking apart water into...to make it...uhh...breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen gases...hydroxy gas...brown's gas...and so he used different embodiments of that technology in different projects that he was working on...and as it turns out that...various members of his team worked on various different aspects of the technologies...so we have a group of us...gonna be visiting that sometime within the next month if all goes well to do the final asessment on that and then move ahead or...find out that...uhh...most of the very important materials are missing and that...will be of interest as well. So it's an ongoing saga but we are moving forward with it and we're actually quite excited about it.

Dr. Greer:

Well I think it's really exciting finding...for example...two people who worked with him on the electronics, which is where...uhh...the magic is in this technology and the ability at very low power input to create a type of electromagnetic signal that breaks water apart into hydrogen and oxygen, and to run a motor...and that...uhh...two of these people have surfaced that...uhh...who worked...directly with Stan Meyer with those...uhh...devices, and with the electronics. So what our hope is, is that they'll be able to go in there with...uhh...Dr. Loder and another member of our team Bill Constantino, and they'll be able to say well look...this should be there, or this is there, and this is where the real action is, and this is what it's doing...because they had been there first hand...uhh...hopefully they'll be able to give us a really good asesssment because this is the...uhh...determining visit to see wether or not we're gonna proceed with the acquisition of all this equipment and actually the car itself...uhh...which ran on water and quite a few other things...and...uhh this is gonna be a big story either way as I've mentioned before...because if the technology has been tampered with and...uhh...it turns out that after his death it was, quote, sanitized...uhh...this is a very important thing to note because, after all, we do know it did work...a lot of people have had this in question...we've had...umm...one of our disclosure project witnesses who's an aerospace engineer, Dr. Paul Sidsit (sic?) had told us that he had met one of the scientists who was sent over from Britain...uhh...to test this...along with an admiral and that in fact it did work...there was no tricks to it...some people wondered if there were hidden fuel cells in the car that made it run, and there weren't. It ran, really, off the water...and...uhh...there were other devices that he had...he was working on and that if in fact these things have been...somehow...uhh...changed or stolen...some of the components because there is some concern from one person who went out there to look at these things that...uhh...his papers are not there that you would expect to be there...uh...and so...we're going to have either a story here where it's another case of some shadowy group supressing this information under his mysterious death...at the time of his mysterious death...or in fact that it's mostly intact, in which case we're gonna need a lot of support...uh...to...acquire the material, it's about $120,000 is the cost of acquiring all this material and equipment and technology and then we'll have to have a place to begin to do the experimental work which is going to be...I woul'd say at least 3 to 6 months of people studying what's there and beginning to reproduce it and get it to actually operate...uh...because you're dealing with a highly explosive gas with the brown's gas and we have to have special equipment and facility to do that...so...but this is the first step to us making the decision wether to go or no go as they say in space flight on this particular technology and that is now that we have...it'll be a team of six people who'll be going there...umm...who...that three of whom...actually worked very directly with Stan Meyer on the equipment so this is quite exciting cause the implications of it are rather huge...uh...the world is covered mostly with water as everyone knows and there's plenty of wastewater that comes out of everyone's house and if you can run a generator or run a car on water instead of...uhh...carbon based fossil fuels...you have an enormous breakthrough in energy generation and a quite a revolution of how we live on this planet...so uhh...this is something we're pursuing...have been all the time you've been hearing about this over the past...you know...6 to 12 months and sort of coming to a head so what now is the plan to...uh...early June is to go out there with this team and really do a thorough asessment of it so that's one thing that your generous contributions are helping towards so we can put this team together and get them all out to where this is being stored at an...undisclosed but secure location and...uh...see what is what with this technology and if we're really going to go forward with it so hopefully sometime in June we'll be able to hopefully give you an update on that.

Dr. Loder:

Well I hope so and I hope that by probably mid-June we'll be able to give you the update at the mid-June world puja conversations. Another group we're working with...we've mentioned in the past...is a Canadian fellow...uh...Thayne Heynes (sic)...........................