Stanley meyer the true

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Hello you all I need your help for my project. I'm going to describe what i'm doing so you can understand what i'm talking about. In advance i can say i ran many tests and got my transistors blowed and also exploded some times thats why i need help i can't figure this out.

Description of what i'm doing:
Basically i want to use from 100 to 50W from a car battery 12v to drive a step up transformer that match the impedance of the resonant tank that is composed of a high Q inductor and a capacitor connected in parallel and a load in series between them. The transformer should be able to use about from 3 to 10 amps max from the car battery and transform it to about 40kv 1 or 2ma. This would create a high voltage for say about 40kv and current about maybe 5 amps recirculating on the tank circuit in few mili seconds. At the start up the current on the primary will be greater and when the tank is full the primary impedance should rise. I'm not sure but i think i need to design a voltage source.

I made an exel calculation. That allow me to have automatically the values of the transformer windings including its impedance and power consume just changing series resistance supply voltage and inductance and capacitance values. I confirmed all the values on simulations using multisim and all holds true so.

I'm going to give you some values so you can picture that:

Supply voltage 12v
series resistance on the tank 1,1 ohm
Capacitor 350pf
Inductor 10mh
tank voltage 34kv
Tank impedance 26Mohms
recirculating current 6,3 amps
recirculating Power 216,3Kw
watts being consumed on the tank 45w
Resonant frequency 85.071,88hz
transformer primary 8uh
primary impedance with no load should be 4,4 ohms with the load at the start should be around maybe 1 ohm or less and maybe when charged about 2 ohms I don't know
Secondary inductance 48Henries
Secondary current 1,3ma

I found many interesting constants on calculation and found they to hold true on simulations
for example I found that the recirculating current depends only on voltage supply and series resistance so I found that recirculating current is = to V/R/2 and so power consume is recirculating I^2*R. I found that The transformation factor of the transformer should be = to Q Factor of the tank /2 And that the output current of the secondary depends on its impedance so I calculated from the complex impedance of the tank the inductance value for the secondary and from its value and the transformation factor the primary value. I than tested on simulation and the value holds true but i aways have twice the losses predicted on the second calculation. Calculating from the primary impedance i found that i would have 3.1 amps with no load and 6.3 loaded adding the power being consumed on the tank to the primary losses. On the simulation this is the current consumed so I found this to be true for any component value.



Now what i need is to design the output stage mosfet or bipolar transistor to drive this primary. And any, I mean any help would be great.

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any help???

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I came back to the irfp250 mosfet I was using before I blew my function generator last week (i connected it reverse polarity and boom many things exploded) as i have the oscilloscope broken i decided to come back to the fast prototype board and reconstructed the PLL system and started trying with the bipolar transistors like tip 31 ad 35 no success all blowed also the irfz44n mosfets blown. And it is not blowing with the following configuration. I connected it in common source mode (source to ground) and added a 1kohm resistor between the primary leads. I than connected a 12v zener diode and a 1 k ohm resistor from the gate to ground and a 4007 diode from source to drain. Between the 4429 driver and gate i connected a 100 ohms resistor.


I still think it would work better with bipolar transistors but who knows. I still wait for any help. I was wondering if its not possible to have a low impedance input amplifier with the matched impedance output. As to provide 12v to the load at the desired current.

With mosfets is also possible to limit its current output by lowering the voltage on the gate i'm righ?
On bipolar transistors the output is controlled by the base current.

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I made many experiments today with my setup but i think i need different electrodes for my setup for it to work anyway multimeter gets mad at some points even with the 40kv probe registering about 200kv i don't know why.

Very small gas production consuming about 3 amps.

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For those who don't believe me :::

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to: Barack Obama

Funds for cold fusion like research.

Hello Mr. president I would like to invite you to read about my project and ask if you can fund my project, allowing me to have a decent laboratory and budget to finish this research as soon as possible.
Best regards

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oh boy


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http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Ot...20Electrolyser

Just showing someone else are doing some of the things i described.

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I'm having few losses on my LCR circuit but with the water connected i have about 5 amps recirculating at 400 volts already this is about 2kwatts of recirculating power. My inductor is made of 3 awg 20 wire in parallel coiled around 4 pieces of ferrite rods totalizing 400uh and its heating a lot. The capacitors are common paper capacitor about 136nf. From my calculations chart inputing this values and input voltage witch is 12v you may find the resistance of the circuit i have trying with its values and you will see what i'm talking about.

My diodes were 2 stacks of 10 1n4007 in parallel. On the PLL schematic you will see it.

My plans to get even better production is to use higher thickness Litz wire with more strands and a better ferrite core. Many smaller capacitors in parallel as to have lower series resistance and perhaps using mosfets as diodes because of its extremely low on resistance diode.

I'm talking about recirculating reactive power. Have you heard about how a transmitter or a induction heating system work.

Its like an ac battery i supply about 40w 12v about 3,3amps my transformer puts out 400v at 100ma and between the components circulates 5 amps. The output transformer doesn't get heat. Only the inductor Please check the calculations and diagram i posted!

I tried to post on PhysicsForum and All about circuit and I got my threads deleted. People don't even know what reactive power is. And than comes and explain their reasons why i'm talking about over unity and vomit their thermodynamics poor knowledge bla bla bla We are in a very wrong world my friends.

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People have not being able to follow stan work because of missing knowledge. People for example thought he was resonating stainless steel wires. He hided his secret very well actually not so well because after I got some degree of knowledge I discovered what he was talking about. It was quite clear for a High voltage engineer that his voltage intensifier circuit must be a resonant tank. He reefer his cell as a resonant cavity witch have the same characteristics of a RESONANT PARALLEL TANK.

I'm the very first one to understand this! http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ple-design.jpg

A resonant tank is made of a high Q thick litz wire inductor and high Q capacitor in parallel, and it is able to accumulate AC power. Like an Ac battery. Like an induction heating system. It recirculates the current between the components.
For example A 1mh inductor and 1nf capacitor will have a reactance values = to the other at the resonant frequency. Actually the capacitive reactance is negative and inductive reactance is positive. Thats why in a series resonance one cancel each other and Z becomes the resistance of the wire. In a parallel circuit something else happen. You will have a complex impedance. Not counting the resistance of the wire you would have an infinite Z but the real complex impedance is easy calculated adding the resistance in series of the capacitor and inductor. Impedance
This is a calculator. Remember capacitor reactance must be negative value. So you put the series resistance of the capacitor and than j value -100 (reactance) example... Make Z1 the capacitor and Z2 inductor ... on the first block the resistance so Z1 (1) (100) Z2 (1) (-100) now check the Zeq

What is used to drive this resonant tank is what people call the vic transformer.

I call it an impedance match transformer and should be designed as follow:

First you choose your inductor and capacitor, find the series resistance of both calculate the complex impedance of the tank.
Than you use the Inductive reactance formula with the frequency and complex impedance values and find the secondary inductance of the transformer. This is the optimum value because current output will match exactly the current input of the tank. Current input being maximum voltage / by complex impedance.

Now for finding the primary inductance you also need to calculate the Q factor of the tank. Divide it by 2 and than it will be your transformation factor. From secondary inductance and transformation factor you can find the primary inductance. I found this because i found the calculation for max voltage on the resonant tank witch is = Voltage applied * inductance reactance/ by series resistance. Voltage applied is the battery voltage not the secondary voltage ok. The recirculating current is = to max voltage / series resistance+inductive reactance.

I found two constant here:
If you divide the supply voltage by the series resistance on the tank and than divide it by 2 you have the same the recirculating current. Quite interesting. From this you can calculate the dissipated value within the tank making recirculating current^2 * series resistance.

The other constant is that the transformation factor of the transformer will aways be half of the Q factor to charge the tank to its maximum voltage. Of course assuming more losses you can push the tank to higher voltage but you spent more energy as recirculating current will must also be greater and P=I^2*R.

The diode on the vic transformer is there to not allow the huge power accumulated on the tank to come back and destroy it. Thats why he called it a blocking diode.


The values stan gave like 40kv 1ma 40watts 10khz leads you to know that his complex impedance was 40Mohms so first you find the series resistance to make the power being consumed to be 40 watts than you find the inductor and capacitor values to make it have 40Mohms at 10khz or in the audio range. Than find the Q factor the transformer secondary inductance and output current. Than you can find the primary inductance and its impedance to calculate the amps being consumed with secondary open circuit. Now you can calculate bandwidth witch is = to the resonant frequency / by the Q factor.
And finally you can calculate the recirculating Kilowatts multiplying voltage by recirculating current.

now that i described all this calculation you may think oh boy how can i calculate it

I created a exel calculation sheet that is able to do everything automatically to you. You just choose the series resistance inductor and capacitor value and supplied voltage, and it gives you all this results. http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...lation.xls.pdf You need to change the file from pdf to xls in order to open it.

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[argonian1]

hello i'm new at this forum but i have read through it for quite some time with a not-yet activated account.

while the concept that only current is responsible for hydrogen gas production is of course the officially-accepted and only electrolysis method, it does not have anything to do with meyers.
i cannot say that i have succesfully replicated a device which works as stanley meyer has claimed (by pure voltage), but if you mention stanley meyer in your topic i'd think that you stick to his technology directly.

i admit i did not read every single post in this thread and maybe the question was already answered, but how do you want to overcome the electrode potential of hydrogen/oxygen?
it is of course true that you can transform higher voltage into low voltage with high currents, but how do you want to "start" the electrolysis process when you only have millivolts at your cell?

People have not being able to follow stan work because of missing knowledge. People for example thought he was resonating stainless steel wires. He hided his secret very well actually not so well because after I got some degree of knowledge I discovered what he was talking about. It was quite clear for a High voltage engineer that his voltage intensifier circuit must be a resonant tank. He reefer his cell as a resonant cavity witch have the same characteristics of a RESONANT PARALLEL TANK.

I'm the very first one to understand this! http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ple-design.jpg

A resonant tank is made of a high Q thick litz wire inductor and high Q capacitor in parallel, and it is able to accumulate AC power. Like an Ac battery. Like an induction heating system. It recirculates the current between the components.
For example A 1mh inductor and 1nf capacitor will have a reactance values = to the other at the resonant frequency. Actually the capacitive reactance is negative and inductive reactance is positive. Thats why in a series resonance one cancel each other and Z becomes the resistance of the wire. In a parallel circuit something else happen. You will have a complex impedance. Not counting the resistance of the wire you would have an infinite Z but the real complex impedance is easy calculated adding the resistance in series of the capacitor and inductor. Impedance
This is a calculator. Remember capacitor reactance must be negative value. So you put the series resistance of the capacitor and than j value -100 (reactance) example... Make Z1 the capacitor and Z2 inductor ... on the first block the resistance so Z1 (1) (100) Z2 (1) (-100) now check the Zeq

It is true that it's a resonant tank circuit, just like the ones you use for tesla coils (well known link: DC Tesla Coil design ), but i cannot see where the resonant charging coil is in parallel with the cap, it's actually in series with the coil. the voltage is tapped at the cap, do you mean this?

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Helo Argonian thanks for reading

I just got to say i got my vic (input transformer) destroyed today it became completely blue like an ufo and a very strong ozone odor came out really incredible never felt ozone like that. I was connecting new capacitors and coil and forgot to connect the vic leads i was changing the frequency and suddenly the transformer became blue. hahaaa lots of fun

Never turn on your vic transformer without connecting it.

Coming back

I'm studied stanley meyer a lot for 3,5 years every day. And tried all his schematics and transformers design and than i after 1 year i had the cell oscilloscopes pulse generators high voltage probes different types of water... I tried everything you can imagine. Than i said or it is a scam or it is not. I decided to learn everything related to it even more than i was already doing and remained studying .... I went to my country and found an inventor witch has a patent on this subject and he uses on his invent a resonant tank circuit. When we had very long conversation he talked about this recirculating current and resonance at 360° obviously he was trying to make me think more about it to let me discover myself. On his invention thick wire was used and i started to think to myself why.

For a long time i believed the vic transformer was made to resonate with the water capacitor like stan described and as such misleading information about the high resistance of the resonant charging choke led everyone around the world that didn't read my posts yet to believe it defend it and still thinking he was resonating with very thin wires.

When i found myself in trouble thinking about the thick wire and this and that i found very good books about LRC circuits and on this books i got the answer to my question.

I than got my windows computer back to life and started making simulations this was the situation that allowed me to discover all this i'm talking about.

I found that the values stanley left and his calculations are all anyone with the knowledge now i have to be able to replicate his circuit.

He Call his Resonant tank , Voltage intensifier circuit, and his input transformer the vic transfomer.

I'm putting the water in the middle of the tank and i was getting here almost 2kwatts of recirculating power thru Water at about 400v 5amps water is being consumed very fast but i can't measure gas output until i construct another prototype. However outside of resonance i get no production. Tomorow morning i'm going to rebuilt the secondary of the transfomer. And proceed with tests with my new inductors and capacitors.

I plan to use laser energy to overcome the electrode over potential and special material for the electrodes. I'm using now steel electrodes with central stainless. However steel does not react with sodium hydroxide. I also plan to use electromagnetic fields to help even further and magnetic fields.

I would like to do it better and faster, but i have to repeat i have no funds here the few donations i received have become materials i'm already using but more donations are needed. I'm doing the best i can.

In the end i have to say i'm doing exactly what meyer did. I have the same numbers from the same calculations all have being confirmed in simulations and now are showing to work on practical prototypes. I have many many bubbles and no heat on the tubes and they have water only inside so you can touch outside.

I'm designing it to reach a higher voltage at +- the same amperage recirculating as to check what meyer said, if then on this circuit the importance will be the voltage. Who knows i expect to find non linearity. I have a gap right now of about 1 cm between electrodes i'm going to make a cell with 1mm gap this would reduce even further the cell voltage i guess. Got to test and test and test hope you enjoy the information.

I'm clearing asking you all for help because with no help i'm going to take more time to finish it so if you really care about this technology please fund my research.

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Do you remember guys when i talked about the infinity circuit on the stabley meyer explained thread that i said it should work with the same principle of the van de graff? I think i found the reason meyer used the positive electrode on the outside and why the cylindrical and bow configurations are preferred. You must see this video YouTube - Lec 8 | MIT 8.02 Electricity and Magnetism, Spring 2002 at 46 min and understand how a van the graff works to understand how the kinetic energy of the electrons repelling force is used to perform the electrolysis. I got up to 450 volts and about 5 amps here and a lot of gas being produced with the positive electrode being the outside one. I'm using about 70 watts from a 12v battery.

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I'm getting sparks on my resonant inductor must buy more litz wire and high voltage insulation tape. I need to buy more 3 toroidal big cores to make a big resonant inductors 50 euros each. Please i ask you again donate if you can.

I can build you pll circuits and everything you want from the resonant inductor. I can send to you the chart of calculations that have a new addition where you choose the voltage of operation and it calculate the needed power in push or under normal mode. I can send you the new diagram of the pll schematic with all components. I can tell you how to make your feedback transformer. I can tell you good values to try and configuration of diodes and electrodes. I just need money to further testing. I'm already constructing another prototype where i can fix the inductor the capacitors and the transformers and pll unity all in one small construction.

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Hard work around here, sparks every where but good results. Now we only need to use more insulation and more powerful litz wire.

I made a new calculation for the transformer where you select the wire diameter and the toroid internal circumference and permeability and it will give you the number of the turns on the secondary and the inductance the number of the layers and how many meters of wire will be needed.

I made also a calculator for the case one wants to build its own litz wire. where you input the wire diameter and it will calculate from the number of strands the cross section area in mm2 and the diameter of the litz wire.

From the same calculation you can find how to make your resonant inductor.

i found that only 38 turns would be enough using the triple cores i want to use.

Hope someone can understand what i'm talking about or will mean that i'm the only one to understand what meyer and others did.



I need about 600 euros for the next week tests.
Please if you are interested in helping you can send a donation or ask me to build you the pll circuit or to send you the new professional diagram.
I hope you can understand i didn't finished yet my research because i'm fund limited researcher. So please help you will make the difference!
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