Stanley meyer the true

[sebosfato]

What is your opinion on why we can't split water with AC? I think the reason is because once the water is split, it becomes a dipole.

I think it could depend on the frequency and the energy level you can reach. Otherwise only dc can split it. I use dc as i rectify the current allowing to the both water cells have no alternating current.

I never reached in my experiments ac electrolysis. Or not yet.

Did you like the material i send to you?

[elias]

Hi Quantum Yes you got it. Is all about current and how to pass all the current needed thru the water with no power dissipation having ultra low voltage. The answer is High voltage.

Actually meyer used as he said 40w 40kv 1ma but needed at least 6000 amps recirculating and maybe 40kv this makes we think. To split 2 liters of water you need 6000 amps oh boy thats a lot of amps. But if you read about collision you will see that at this power density Mega watts of power recirculating, you have electron knocking against each other inside the water causing direct ionization releasing also photons so probably you don't need a 12000 amps capacitor to run a car if your electrodes and frequency of operation are the right.

Actually you don't need this circuitry to make it efficiently but if you put 120 plates in sequence and with the water inside each couple of plates isolated from each other you can get already 10x more efficient than Faraday the bastard (he aways knew it was possible). The problem is that this way you can produce very small amount of gas. you would need very very high surface area on the electrodes get ride of this. but would work. actually if you put 1200 plates you would have 100x more efficient. I'm considering you are using 12v.

Using the resonant circuit you don't need the series cell as it will transform the voltage depending only on the resistance of the water. V = R*I

Hi

Well, here is my comments:

I have been recently following the threads about the Newman Energy machine, and now I find his principles similar to yours. Newman was trying to point out that "current" is not the producer of the magnetic field of a "coil", but it acts more like a "catalyst". So you can use much smaller current and produce a much larger magnetic field by using a longer wire.

Now you state that by using the "same" current which acts as a "catalyst" passing more plates, one can increase the H2 Gas output of the system, no? So what plate count do you think is the threshold at which the amount of energy in the output exceeds the energy delivered to the system which acts like a "catalyst"?

Using higher voltage and less current passing through many plates may be the answer, but none of the videos show that Meyer is using "many" plates. Unless he was trying to hide his main principle.

Elias

[sebosfato]

Hi

Well, here is my comments:

I have been recently following the threads about the Newman Energy machine, and now I find his principles similar to yours. Newman was trying to point out that "current" is not the producer of the magnetic field of a "coil", but it acts more like a "catalyst". So you can use much smaller current and produce a much larger magnetic field by using a longer wire.

Now you state that by using the "same" current which acts as a "catalyst" passing more plates, one can increase the H2 Gas output of the system, no? So what plate count do you think is the threshold at which the amount of energy in the output exceeds the energy delivered to the system which acts like a "catalyst"?

Using higher voltage and less current passing through many plates may be the answer, but none of the videos show that Meyer is using "many" plates. Unless he was trying to hide his main principle.

Elias

Hi Elias,
Thank you for commenting i never read anything about newman energy so i can't say if it has anything to do with. I got to say you got a bit confused what i said on the other post is that you need a very high current as electrolysis depends only on this. If you got a 12v battery hooked up to a cell of 120 cells that are series connected but with the electrolyte isolated from each other. you have 10x the efficiency of faraday as the voltage will drop to 0,12v for cell and you still have the same current passing thru them.
so you are using lets say 50 amps for example it means you are using 600w and producing equivalent to 5kw of what faraday stated to be the max production possible.
You need very big cells to have such low resistance to allow this much of current to pass.
Or you can make an step down transformer /by 100 or 1000 and drive it from 12v and drive it at the frequency witch you equal the load impedance. for maximum power transfer.

The fact of is how to pass very high current thru water at very low voltage.

Meyer decided to use resonance. as he could take it to a point where he didn't need al this series plates to accomplish the voltage drop or transformation he used all in parallel and calculated the voltage as V=I*R
You can imagine 10000 amps at 1 millivolt is = 10w and 1000 amps at 10mv = 10w

and 10kv*1ma= 10w

Did you understand the relation.

[h20power]

DONT SEND THIS GUY ANYTHING...

UNLESS HE CAN PRODUCE A PHOTO OF A BUILT DEVICE OR A FILE THAT EXPLAINS THE CONNECTIONS IN MULTISIM OR EAGLE 5.6 CAD SOFTWARE...ALL THIS PERSON HAS EVER PRODUCED ON ANY PAGE ARE THIRD GRADE CARTOONS, PENCIL DRAWINGS THAT ARE BEGINNER STUFF. HIS EXPLANATIONS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN STAN MEYERS CELLS ARE COMPLETELY BACKWARDS AND WRONG.

P.S. STAN MEYER DID NOT USE ANY ELECTROLYTE
DID NOT USE ANY HUGE WIRES
DID NOT USE ANY HIGH CURRENTS
ETC. ETC.

EXAMPLE: PARALLEL RESONANT CIRCUIT HAVING VERY HIGH CURRENT?

THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE STANDARD EQUATION.

A PARALLEL RESONANT LC CIRCUIT HAS HIGH VOLTAGE AND ZERO CURRENT AT THE EXACT FREQUENCY...

THIS GUY IS A SHAM...READ HIS POSTS FOR COMEDY RELIEF WHEN YOU ARE IN A BAD MOOD
IF YOU WANT TO PROMOTE HIS NONSENSE, AT LEAST GET A WRITE OF FOR DONATING TO A COMEDY CHARITY OR SOMETHING... SHEESH, I CANT BELIEVE ALL YOU GUYS FALL FOR THIS NONSENSE!

SEBOSFATO...DID YOU SPEND AN ENTIRE 10 MINUTES READING STAN MEYERS PATENT?

I HAVE READ ALL HIS PATENTS AT LEAST 3 TIMES THROUGH. AND IT TOOK ALMOST 6 MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT HIS SPECIAL BACKYARD ENGINEERING TERMINOLOGY..THATS WHY I KNOW YOU ARE A FRAUD ...NOT TO MENTION BEING TRAINED FOR 6 YEARS AS AN ELECTRICIAN...BELIEVE ME WHEN I SEE THE SCRIBBLES YOU CALL ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS I FALL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING!

SHOW SOME REAL PROGRESS, AND USE LINKS TO WIKIPEDIA FOR YOUR ELECTRICAL FORMULAS... OR DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY?

HOW DO THE BIG BOYS SAY IT??? PUT UP OR SHUT UP

I couldn't have said it better myself. Everyone reading this tread should read this thread for here I wont ask you for money and go over Stanley Meyer's patents and show the science behind Meyer's work: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...explained.html


h2opower.

[magnetO]

Example: Parallel Resonant Circuit Having Very High Current? Absolutly True!!!!

EXAMPLE: PARALLEL RESONANT CIRCUIT HAVING VERY HIGH CURRENT?

THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE STANDARD EQUATION.

A PARALLEL RESONANT LC CIRCUIT HAS HIGH VOLTAGE AND ZERO CURRENT AT THE EXACT FREQUENCY...

TRON,

YOU CALL YOURSELF A PROFESSIONAL ELECTRICIAN!
GO ON, AND DO YOUR BASIC HOMEWORKS:

Parallelresonanz – Wikipedia
Reihenresonanz – Wikipedia

SORRY THIS WIKIPAGE IS NOT AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH. BUT THE EACH FIRST SENTENCE SAY EVERYTHING!

IN GERMAN WE CALL A PARALLEL RESONANT TANK CIRCUIT "Parallel-Resonanz" oder "Stromresonanz", BECAUSE AT wr = fr THE CURRENT INTO L AND THE CURRENT INTO C GROWS NEAR INFINITELY HIGH (FOR R=0). Z -> oo, I(PARALLEL) -> 0.

A SERIES RESONANT TANK CIRCUIT WE CALL "Reihen-Resonanz" oder "Spannungsresonanz", BECAUSE AT wr = fr THE VOLTAGE ACROSS C AND THE VOLTAGE ACROSS L GROWS NEAR INFINITELY HIGH (FOR R=0). Z ->0, U(SERIES) -> 0.

I DO NOT KNOW W-H-A-T RESONANCE IS NECESSARY FOR SEPARATING WATER IN HYDROGEN AND OXIGEN, BUT I KNOW WHAT Stromresonanz (current resonance) and Spannungsresonanz (voltage resonance) IS!

AND YOU SHOULD GO AND LEARN IT. PLEEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!!!!


AND STOP CALLING SEBOSFATO A FRAUD!
HE IS SHORT OF MONEY (WHO ISNT THAT?), AND ASKING FOR SOME DONATIONS. EVERYONE CAN TAKE OR LEAVE.

HE HAS OPEN HIS OWN THREAD. DIDNT YOU ( AND h20power ) ASK FOR THAT?

BEST REGARDS
magnetO

[sebosfato]

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ele/acres5.gif

Thank you magneto for helping explain.
This is clear as water

I=V/Z

Being voltage for example 20kv and z of 100 you have 200 amps recirculating.

The input impedance is high when a tank circuit is full so input current is = to Input voltage / complex impedance

Complex impedance on parallel circuit not counting the losses is = to (XL*XC)/(1/XL)+(1/XC) or simplify (X^2)/(1/X)*2
X being the reactance of one of the components at the resonant frequency of the circuit.

[elias]

Hi Elias,
Thank you for commenting i never read anything about newman energy so i can't say if it has anything to do with. I got to say you got a bit confused what i said on the other post is that you need a very high current as electrolysis depends only on this. If you got a 12v battery hooked up to a cell of 120 cells that are series connected but with the electrolyte isolated from each other. you have 10x the efficiency of faraday as the voltage will drop to 0,12v for cell and you still have the same current passing thru them.
so you are using lets say 50 amps for example it means you are using 600w and producing equivalent to 5kw of what faraday stated to be the max production possible.
You need very big cells to have such low resistance to allow this much of current to pass.
Or you can make an step down transformer /by 100 or 1000 and drive it from 12v and drive it at the frequency witch you equal the load impedance. for maximum power transfer.

The fact of is how to pass very high current thru water at very low voltage.

Meyer decided to use resonance. as he could take it to a point where he didn't need al this series plates to accomplish the voltage drop or transformation he used all in parallel and calculated the voltage as V=I*R
You can imagine 10000 amps at 1 millivolt is = 10w and 1000 amps at 10mv = 10w

and 10kv*1ma= 10w

Did you understand the relation.

Thank you!
So we want to pass huge amount of current with minimum voltage, and Newman wanted to put large amount of voltage over a coil while the coil gets the minimum current. So he made large coils which had high impedance to draw small amount of current. This made tremendous magnetic fields. What "we" want to do as I understand your posts, is that to create "large currents with small voltage" in the water to make it split. As I understand high voltage with high current heats the water, but the lower the voltage goes the higher the hydrogen production and lower the temp rise? and lower the power consumption?

So you are saying that Meyer was doing the usual electrolysis in an "unusual" way to get more efficiency? Way above unity?

Another way you propose is building an LC resonant circuit which circulates huge amount of current in a certain frequency while making the source give the minimum current possible?

When I think of low voltage and high current I remember the N-machine of Bruce Depalma or the homo-polar generator which generates a low voltage high amp output.

Take a round Neodymium magnet and attach it to a high rpm motor shaft from its center and use two brushes for contacts, one to the center of the magnet or your motor shaft and another to the edge of your Neo magnet, and this is your homo-polar generator.

Elias

[sebosfato]

Thank you!
So we want to pass huge amount of current with minimum voltage, and Newman wanted to put large amount of voltage over a coil while the coil gets the minimum current. So he made large coils which had high impedance to draw small amount of current. This made tremendous magnetic fields. What "we" want to do as I understand your posts, is that to create "large currents with small voltage" in the water to make it split. As I understand high voltage with high current heats the water, but the lower the voltage goes the higher the hydrogen production and lower the temp rise? and lower the power consumption?

So you are saying that Meyer was doing the usual electrolysis in an "unusual" way to get more efficiency? Way above unity?

Another way you propose is building an LC resonant circuit which circulates huge amount of current in a certain frequency while making the source give the minimum current possible?

When I think of low voltage and high current I remember the N-machine of Bruce Depalma or the homo-polar generator which generates a low voltage high amp output.

Take a round Neodymium magnet and attach it to a high rpm motor shaft from its center and use two brushes for contacts, one to the center of the magnet or your motor shaft and another to the edge of your Neo magnet, and this is your homo-polar generator.

Elias

Like the bicycles generators right?

Actually yes meyer was doing the usual electrolysis in an "unusual" way to get more efficiency Way above unity this may have being the problem when he went to patent and they figured out that was normal electrolysis they measured the voltage across the cell and they said was electrolysis. The thing is that meyer did this the way i said because is the only way to do it economically Power dissipated is = I^2 * R other wise you can't put high voltage across sea water or any water like he said.
This design will have the high voltage present witch is actually able to ionize the water as he said.

And yes what i propose is building an LC resonant circuit which circulates huge amount of current in a certain frequency while making the source give high voltage at the minimum current possible!

[quantumuppercut]

hi sebosfato,


I'll check the material you sent me later. Thanks again. You proposed that using an LC circuit, but the problem I've seen that it's very hard to recitify at high frequency. Any good idea on this?

[h20power]

TRON,

YOU CALL YOURSELF A PROFESSIONAL ELECTRICIAN!
GO ON, AND DO YOUR BASIC HOMEWORKS:

Parallelresonanz – Wikipedia
Reihenresonanz – Wikipedia

SORRY THIS WIKIPAGE IS NOT AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH. BUT THE EACH FIRST SENTENCE SAY EVERYTHING!

IN GERMAN WE CALL A PARALLEL RESONANT TANK CIRCUIT "Parallel-Resonanz" oder "Stromresonanz", BECAUSE AT wr = fr THE CURRENT INTO L AND THE CURRENT INTO C GROWS NEAR INFINITELY HIGH (FOR R=0). Z -> oo, I(PARALLEL) -> 0.

A SERIES RESONANT TANK CIRCUIT WE CALL "Reihen-Resonanz" oder "Spannungsresonanz", BECAUSE AT wr = fr THE VOLTAGE ACROSS C AND THE VOLTAGE ACROSS L GROWS NEAR INFINITELY HIGH (FOR R=0). Z ->0, U(SERIES) -> 0.

I DO NOT KNOW W-H-A-T RESONANCE IS NECESSARY FOR SEPARATING WATER IN HYDROGEN AND OXIGEN, BUT I KNOW WHAT Stromresonanz (current resonance) and Spannungsresonanz (voltage resonance) IS!

AND YOU SHOULD GO AND LEARN IT. PLEEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!!!!


AND STOP CALLING SEBOSFATO A FRAUD!
HE IS SHORT OF MONEY (WHO ISNT THAT?), AND ASKING FOR SOME DONATIONS. EVERYONE CAN TAKE OR LEAVE.

HE HAS OPEN HIS OWN THREAD. DIDNT YOU ( AND h20power ) ASK FOR THAT?

BEST REGARDS
magnetO

He posted advertisments in my thread to read his thread so I thought I'd return the favor since both of us can't be right give the reader a chance to look us both over, so I post an advertisment to read my thread here. I am short on money but I wont ask anyone for anything for that is not the way to go.

I also add that I already give all information away for free to everyone that reads the thread and not hold back information for those that give money only to have. I don't knock what he is doing only beef I have with it is since it does not follow the patents of Stanley Meyer, why then does it bare his name? I wont post on his thread anymore for it is his thread and he has a right to pursue goals of being fully funded research, for his version of energy independence.

But I do feel he has no idea of the eniemy he is up against, nor does he understand how to fight them. Going up angainst the energy sellers of the world is a tall order and one has to plan well in advance how to go about it. For if you think they are going to just lay down and let someone run over them then ending their way of life you too have a lot to learn. He likes money and they will offer him a lot if they see him as a threat, do you think he will turn them down? It's just a thought for I don't presume to know the man but I know how I am inside and I also know how to fight them.

@sebosfato, you tutanka, and oneminde have been put on the ignor list on my thread so it is pointless to try and talk to me now as I will not open them. I just wish you well in your work and please take the time to learn who the enemy is, every aspect of how they work, okay?

Take care,


h2opower

[sebosfato]

My worst enemy h20 is the ignorance.
The ignorance that people that have never studied is not what makes me sad, but that of people who ignore is the most sad thing in this world.

Your ignorance list is prove that the worst enemy of technology development is so present here.

no words to say

Best regards

[quantumuppercut]

He posted advertisments in my thread to read his thread so I thought I'd return the favor since both of us can't be right give the reader a chance to look us both over, so I post an advertisment to read my thread here. I am short on money but I wont ask anyone for anything for that is not the way to go.

I also add that I already give all information away for free to everyone that reads the thread and not hold back information for those that give money only to have. I don't knock what he is doing only beef I have with it is since it does not follow the patents of Stanley Meyer, why then does it bare his name? I wont post on his thread anymore for it is his thread and he has a right to pursue goals of being fully funded research, for his version of energy independence.

But I do feel he has no idea of the eniemy he is up against, nor does he understand how to fight them. Going up angainst the energy sellers of the world is a tall order and one has to plan well in advance how to go about it. For if you think they are going to just lay down and let someone run over them then ending their way of life you too have a lot to learn. He likes money and they will offer him a lot if they see him as a threat, do you think he will turn them down? It's just a thought for I don't presume to know the man but I know how I am inside and I also know how to fight them.

@sebosfato, you tutanka, and oneminde have been put on the ignor list on my thread so it is pointless to try and talk to me now as I will not open them. I just wish you well in your work and please take the time to learn who the enemy is, every aspect of how they work, okay?

Take care,


h2opower

I've read a few posts by you a while back. Quite frankly, I thought you're a very nice guy. You put alot of effort into this and we all know. I'm just surprise that you didn't ask anyone for help. You should, this free energy road is not easy to go alone. Bringing the theory out is pretty hard but still easy because it doesn't take resource to think and talk, bringing the actual technology out is even harder and you choose to do that. However, I do see that you're too into your own world just as many of us. You have to think in harmony with others so we can move together. Incoperate your theory into other's theory. You are the leader, lead the way with compassion.

[elias]

Free energy brings oneness, and we cannot approach it with a selfish ego which thinks is separate from the world.

I may be very far from that, but I know in my heart you must first give to receive. When you give first you receive more naturally. This applies for all of us I think.

[elias]

Sebosfato

I have no means of a way to help you but your approach deserves attention. I think that your idea may work, instead of investing my time and money to experiment, It is a very good idea to help you experiment with this. But unfortunately I have totally no means to help you. Sorry.

Regardless of the fact that Meyer was doing this or not, your approach is an interesting one, and most of all, makes sense!

This is the translated version of the link provided by magnetO:
Google Translate

This is what I think sobesfato wants to do (correct me if I am wrong), using water instead of a light bulb.
YouTube - Energy Propagation

Elias

[sebosfato]

Hi Elias, is almost that, except by the fact that he is using the 2° coil of the transformer connected in parallel with the capacitor this cause it to have a higher consumption of power because this way on the primary wont be reflected the high impedance you see on a parallel circuit.

Thats why I said your secondary must not resonate you must connect an inductor and this inductor may be at least 100x less on value than secondary value or you will have the secondary inductance in parallel with the resonant inductor causing it to become like resistors in parallel effect. Thats why meyer used ss wire to the secondary and in the case also for his charging chokes, in order to dump any oscillation to come inside the vic.

Now i ask you a question if you have a coil of wire wounded around a water cell with electrolyte add to it and at the same time this coil is part of a resonant tank witch make for example recirculate 100 amps what do you have. You have like a tesla coil primary right?


Won't water count as a 1 turn shorted and by this transform current? for example the inductor have 100 turns so 100 amps x 100 transformation factor so wont you have 10000 amps flowing inside the water?

Can we rectify this current? and make electrolysis?
sure