Stanley meyer the true

[sebosfato]

Today i made an experiment that proved the theory about recirculating current to be true.

I used a signal generator and inductor made off 20 awg wire with an antenna ferrite inductance of +-220uh and two 1500v 68nf capacitors in parallel. A small toroidal transformer I made for this test had 200uh primary and 70mh secondary. Hooked up as on the simulations i sent to you.

The result was i got 100v with 2 amps recirculating between the components

input current was mili amps and strangely my mosfet heat a lot.
Frequency was 27khz

I tried to hook a microwave capacitor too resonant frequency was 10khz but voltage was about 40v and amps remained the same.

As i stated on the first post the current recirculating depends on the frequency and capacitance value. So for an inductor with determined Q factor you will get different voltages if you change the capacitor value and adjust to the resonant frequency.

So thats why i'm going to use thick wire for my resonant coil to have a high Q factor.
Remember
If i lower the inductance value i have lower voltage, higher frequency, and higher current.


i will construct this week a better output stage for my signal generator pll ... Maybe with bipolar transistors.

Does any of you know how to make a 3 stages or 4 stages amplifier to handle up to 40 amps? This is to have very low losses.

Thanks

[NewGuy]

Meyer decided to use resonance. as he could take it to a point where he didn't need al this series plates to accomplish the voltage drop or transformation he used all in parallel and calculated the voltage as V=I*R
You can imagine 10000 amps at 1 millivolt is = 10w and 1000 amps at 10mv = 10w

and 10kv*1ma= 10w

Did you understand the relation.

This relationship makes perfect sence being the cells actually hold a charge beyond what is actually needed for electrolysis.Could you explain further the rectifing process and how you see the water as 1 turn shorted?You very much sparked hope again with just the quoted referance.Looking at 10millivolts * 1000 amps = 10 wats really spices up the imagination when realized the cell has over 1.24 volts capacatence upon charge....how is this transformation realized with in the water cell?Thanks again for the inspiration...I would love to donate monnies to your research, however , times are almost too hard to breathe good luck with your research !!!!

[NewGuy]

maybe it would be easier to understand if we knew why we cant directly take say 70kv 10 milliamps from an automoble ignition coil and transform it to 10millivolts 7000amps.

[sebosfato]

Hello Quantum I just received the 100 euros thank you it will help me a lot.

Hi new guy, thank you for reading and I happy to be an inspiration. I'll explain better why the 1 turn shorted thing.

Ok Let's start by Tesla.

Tesla has being the first to explore the use of resonance. And he created a kind of air core transformer witch had a very thick coil on the primary made by 10 turns... And this coil makes part of a resonant circuit witch work a little different from what I explain. Basically It works by using a high voltage transformer that charge up a capacitor witch have one leg connected to the primary and the second leg have a spark gap between it and the primary, when this capacitor is charged up to a limit imposed by the spark gap, it discharges a very high current on the coil. As the primary have a secondary coil with many turns inside of it step up the voltage...

So If you coil your "primary" or your resonant inductor around your cell while you will allow to create a very efficient way to recirculate the current as I explained you have another transformer action.

Water having an electrolyte added to it becomes very conductive. So if you have a coil around it you have a transformer with a secondary short circuited.

If your electrodes inside like tubes I think you would get to much losses as it would have a second short.

Ok we have 100 turns recirculating up to for say 100 amps, so if we have a transformer, the current induced (flux of electrons (ions) induced by electro magnetism transformer action) on the water is = to 100x100 or 10.000 amps.

This will be ac.

If you want to rectify all this current you need special materials inside the water semi-conductive materials probably, coating the electrodes and probably also a membrane to help maintain the water molecule split.
What must take place is an Oxidation and Reduction.

This is also the reason why I need so much money.

So Please who can donate, do it, is so much important. I do what i can around here to put the things up but is very hard. house rent cost every month 700 euro for my small apartment with my new work i can pay almost only my life cost witch is very reduced. I'm just explaining you i don't want to live of donations i need this to finish my project just that.

[sebosfato]

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[elias]

So thats why i'm going to use thick wire for my resonant coil to have a high Q factor.
Remember
If i lower the inductance value i have lower voltage, higher frequency, and higher current.

Hello

I always somehow knew from my childhood, that it is possible to generate electricity for free, and I wondered why hasn't it been, until recent years which I have developed interest in studying "overunity" systems.

What I knew intuitively was that magnetic fields are the free energy we are looking for, and magnetic energy is always free, but our misunderstanding has caused us to pay for it. Joseph Newman has an idea which partly is compatible with how I view the magnetic field, Magnetic field is always there but we need to pay to use it, Either by buying or making magnets or using a coil. He proposes that it is an energy which comes from E=mc2 which I am not really sure yet but I know that it comes from some unlimited source of energy.

What we have in resonance is the electrical energy and magnetic energy jumping back and forth. and each time the electrical energy goes into a coil new amount of energy is "extracted" from the vacuum of space which can do work while charging our main capacitor again. This seems to be the resonance we are talking about. All we need to do is pay little to keep the resonance going on like a child's swing.

Now what seems to be important is to see the fact that copper itself is responsible for magnetic energy, and the more we have on our coil the more magnetic energy can be extracted from the vacuum. Which at some point the energy required to keep the resonance going may be so less than the energy circulating in the resonance mode, which the coil extracts vacuum energy and charges the capacitor in each cycle.

Now, if we use more copper and thicker wire for it, we can extract more magnetic energy from the vacuum, and thus at some point we will go above unity.

This is what I now understand about circuits in resonance. It is so simple to understand this. Consider this:

Consider we have two pieces of wire the same gauge, one double the length of the other. if we apply voltage V across both of them, the longer one will consume W watts of power, while the other one will consume 2W watts of power because it draw current 2 times more than the longer one. But both of them create the same amount of magnetic energy if we wind the wires as a coil.

This means when we use "more" copper the more energy we can extract from the zero-point or whatever you want to call it.

Now see if you can use this principle in your coil design. Because you need high current, you may need to use a pretty thick wire for your coil to have less ohms in about 1000 turns or more.

I am so optimistic about your work

Keep up your good work ...
Elias

[NewGuy]

so if we are using the water as a single turn shorted would that put it at L in the resonate cavity LC if LC is the resonate cavity?

[NewGuy]

this tool my be kinda neat to know if the values you know work as well in the simulation

http://www.amanogawa.com/archive/RLC...arallel-2.html

[boguslaw]

How about two grounds system ? Water being one ground , Earth being second ground. Is that a displacement current between them ? Can we rise it to many amps extracting electrons from water ?

[quantumuppercut]

I think the most important thing is to recirculate the current. For example, an ignition coil could give out kV and mA. If you short circuit that high voltage, you will get thousands of amps going through in a split second. However, that's it if you don't recirculate it back. That's the principle Rosemary has been promoting. There are two ways to do this. First is to treat water as a conductor and attach an inductor and a cap, and rectify. Second is to treat water as a coil and punch it with water natual resonance frequency. The later is hard to do.

@Elias

Very intuitive. The magnetic field was always there, vibrating. All we have to do is poke it to get it mad. This is what Tesla described in this Dynamic theory of Gravity. The aether will becomes violent, but it can also return itself to nothing (zero point). Poke it mad is what I call resonance. Very nice on the two wire example. Seems like we getting there pretty soon.

[sebosfato]

@Elias Thank you, the optimism is something that really makes me keep going.

You're right about the field strength of the coil related with the number of turns. it also depends on frequency...

@New guy I guess the cell could oscillate at its own frequency once very high power density is developed, i'm studying about microwaves to understand how the oscillations start on the resonant cavity. But anyway the Resonance of the drive circuit should not change don't know yet everything thats why i'm doing so many tests and more tests.

The link you add is nice but a bit confuse. Is clear the input current being show as i described.


@Boguslaw I don't understand what you mean by using 2 grounds. I say in water we have electrons already induce a current in it by creating a magnetic flux could help to induce collision (once i believe we would have a very high current in water (shorted turn)) liberating photons and electrons, is possible that using a diode or an scr not sure yet you could take that electrons back into the coil to recirculate again.

@Quantum Yes the recirculating current is the most important thing because you allow the circuit to have few losses even counting the losses on the rlc circuit. It creates high voltage high current at high frequency and this makes the difference over dc electrolysis. A car coil Have a high voltage at low mamps but it could be used to drive our resonant tank we just need to have a coil that work. if you design a transformer is easier. on the simulation i could try with many values and found some configurations that work best than others. As i stated on the first posts.
If you short a car coil that charge a capacitor in parallel with it it can be many many amps you'r right.


This week i will make some more tests, some capacitors are arrived...

[Web000x]

Understanding

@Sebosfato
What you are doing is causing aetheric energy oscillations between LC components to perform electrolysis? or did i miss something?

[Web000x]

Numbers

Do you have meters to test the flow of energy(amps, not sure what to call it theses days ) through water, or are you extrapolating digits?

Peace

[sebosfato]

I i'm just using electrical energy in a such way that it can break the water molecule in a efficient way. Of course there is the electromagnetic and magnetic, Reduction, oxidation interaction that could be much mysterious but not that much for me... On the simulations I talked about, I used virtual voltmeters and ammeters, On the Real test I described I used real ammeter and voltmeter frequency-meter ... On the real big thing i will need to use current transformer to measure the current because will be to big.

[NewGuy]

I might be do'n it wrong on that simulation link but here is wat I tried:
set generator:
source impedence= 50
L= 70 mh
set impedence:
L=220 uh
C= 68 nf
R=183kohms
F= 27khz
with those perimeters it says the resonate frquency is 41.1khz
Q unloaded is 3.22x10(6)
with a bandwidth of 12 Khz
it doesnt show an increase in amps but it shows the voltage going out the roof according to the resistance.
Maybe that simulation program isnt the right kind of tool?