Stanley meyer the true

[sebosfato]

Working on the calculations i found a way to automatically calculate all the transformer parameters choosing only the inductance and capacitance and series resistance of the capacitor and inductor and it will give you the voltage and recirculating current and output current of the transformer. Everything was check in the simulations and holds true for mostly situations.

I found for example that the transformer must have a transformation factor = 1/2 the Q of the tank circuit to be able to charge it to its maximum potential.

I discovered this just changing values in my simulations and than started to note that i was not able to charge the circuit to the voltage i got from calculations and than i discovered that you must just match the complex impedance of the circuit.

The secondary inductance is easily calculated by reactance formula its reactance must be = to the complex impedance.

I found that wattage of the circuit depends only on applied voltage and the series resistance of the circuit plus the losses on the diodes and transistor.

Meyer used a voltage and current controlled source to tune the impedance too. I used TIP 31, 35 ,2n3055... transistors on the simulations I found 3055 could work but tip 31 was little better.

The primary should be calculated by secondary inductance / (2 pi * transformation factor ^2)

Stanley circuit had 40 Megaohms Of complex impedance and used 40kv 1ma
output transformer So you can already note that you can calculate the secondary inductance from this values But first you need to chose the resonant inductor and capacitor values as to know the frequency of operation obviously than you need to calculate the Q using the series resistance value to calculate the primary of the transformer. .

I would like to know if now anyone didn't understand yet what i'm talking about. Is not clear to me if its so easy and people seems to don't understand.


I still need donations to continue my work for those who donated i'm going to post now my new calculations that automatically chose the values for the transformer.
Please donate you are helping the one of the few people who really can change this world in better.
I'm working very hardly on this you will note from the calculation. Is inside zip file in attachment you must change the file tipe from pdf to zip i made this in order to be able to put it here.

[Dog-One]

A couple of questions regarding your current development phase:

1. Do you have a water fuel cell as part of the circuit you're experimenting with?

2. What is your steady state power input in Watts?

[sebosfato]

I'm working with in the range from 10 W to 100 W. And the answer is yes i have a fuel cell too but I'm working on the resonant circuit right now, the ceramics capacitors from china arrived yesterday and I'm finishing to mount the cell driver circuit witch are bipolar diodes like tip-31 and tip 35 in cascade (The emitter is connected to the base of the next and all collectors are connected to the primary ) to have more efficiency. This way the only loss is the current in the base of the first transistor and pll witch is negligible.

The wattage in a resonant circuit depends mostly on the input voltage and overall series resistance of the tank circuit. It don't depend on the components value. Basically you just got to find the components combination that allow you to recirculate more Kilowatts in respect to watts consumed.


I'm going to proceed with more tests this evening and tomorrow with some inductors I made here. Tomorrow I'm going to take more cores to make other inductances values as to make further tests.

Obs the values the calculation proposed for the transformer must be taken as an example and you should make further simulations as to make more reliable values for it.

Its very nice to see the interest Thank you all for the donations!!!

I found that the best thing to do is a transformer with many taps on the primary and secondary this way you can test test and test.

I found that you could make a primary with about 6 taps 25u 50u 100u 200u 400u and the secondary with 500mh 1H 10H 25H 50H 100H 250H

And actually i found a way to simulate the vic transformer and it need much less secondary inductance to get the desired voltage. By using the diode between the secondary taps.

Anyway simulations are not true situations...

[sebosfato]

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[milosman]

He posted advertisments in my thread to read his thread so I thought I'd return the favor since both of us can't be right give the reader a chance to look us both over, so I post an advertisment to read my thread here. I am short on money but I wont ask anyone for anything for that is not the way to go.

I also add that I already give all information away for free to everyone that reads the thread and not hold back information for those that give money only to have. I don't knock what he is doing only beef I have with it is since it does not follow the patents of Stanley Meyer, why then does it bare his name? I wont post on his thread anymore for it is his thread and he has a right to pursue goals of being fully funded research, for his version of energy independence.

But I do feel he has no idea of the eniemy he is up against, nor does he understand how to fight them. Going up angainst the energy sellers of the world is a tall order and one has to plan well in advance how to go about it. For if you think they are going to just lay down and let someone run over them then ending their way of life you too have a lot to learn. He likes money and they will offer him a lot if they see him as a threat, do you think he will turn them down? It's just a thought for I don't presume to know the man but I know how I am inside and I also know how to fight them.

@sebosfato, you tutanka, and oneminde have been put on the ignor list on my thread so it is pointless to try and talk to me now as I will not open them. I just wish you well in your work and please take the time to learn who the enemy is, every aspect of how they work, okay?

Take care,


h2opower

6-years!? Ya must be a genuine brain to absorb all thay knowledge in only 6 yrs. I sense in you a of lack in your self worth my friend and people like that only SEEM larger by knocking others down. I was a 17 yr MASTER Plumber who spent 10 years getting there. know what? I had to use a hand held calculator to do simple math just to figure out flow charts water pipe sizeing gas volume/pressure verse's btu's ect ect. and in thee end, I still didn't know what the next guy knew that I didn't know he knew.. GET real MAN, be a real man

[milosman]

6-years!? Ya must be a genuine brain to absorb all thay knowledge in only 6 yrs. I sense in you a of lack in your self worth my friend and people like that only SEEM larger by knocking others down. I was a 17 yr MASTER Plumber who spent 10 years getting there. know what? I had to use a hand held calculator to do simple math just to figure out flow charts water pipe sizeing gas volume/pressure verse's btu's ect ect. and in thee end, I still didn't know what the next guy knew that I didn't know he knew.. GET real MAN, be a real man

One more thing there partnerH20,,,whatever, I built my own home , rebuilt my own engines, worked as a laborer, a dishwasher and all sorts of other jobs prior to doing plumbing,,plumbing is what I did not WHO I was or am, now I do electronics,,,no masters or lic. you do electrical work,,send him some copper!

[h20power]

One more thing there partnerH20,,,whatever, I built my own home , rebuilt my own engines, worked as a laborer, a dishwasher and all sorts of other jobs prior to doing plumbing,,plumbing is what I did not WHO I was or am, now I do electronics,,,no masters or lic. you do electrical work,,send him some copper!

So you want to know more about me, right? I have been I mechanic for over 20 yrs, studied mechanical engineering since 1990, with a dual minor chemistry and matireal science, rejoined the military got injuried during times of war told I would never run again. Then sent back to college for architecture for they don't pay for BS degree's even though I had only two years to go for my degree. I, like you, have had many different jobs in my life from car washer, butcher, to store manager. I don't need to put people down for ego or pride, I know I have solved the works of Stanley Meyer and didn't need someone constantly at my throat telling me I was wrong when I have put science to Meyer's patents when none existed before. The mathmatical model I am following is something one can sink thier teeth into. I don't think I have said he is wrong on his ideas only that I didn't understand him and that it is not to be found in the patents. So for the most part I leave him to his thoughts, but they won't exstend the same curtisy towards me. Once I have the circuit completed engine trails will soon follow. What I have posted on my thread I did so freely for a better world for the whole of humanity so everyone has the chance for energy independence. Please no more talk about me on his thread for he has a right to run his thread with no input from me, okay? Thanks


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

I just got another donation. Thank you very much.

I decided to post the diagram of my simplest pll design for those who want to check. It work well in the audio range up to maybe 100khz for sure. later i'm going to scan it and post it here. I need to still make some tests with the feedback transformers but on simulations i found that with this values you can recirculate from 100ma up to 70 A and it provide a stable feedback.

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[sebosfato]

As i promised the pll design in attachment here.

C2, R3- 100k, R4- 10k, (r4 is generally = to 10% of R3) you should change accordingly to your own tests its easy, R5 will change depending on your transformer design so you should start with 5k and measure the max current will flow and change the value if you need, R6 really from 10 to 500 ohms the smallest values you have more sensitivity and R7 from 10 to 100 the smallest the smaller the sensibility You should change only if it wont work on your tank circuit .

With this values it should work when it detects at min 70 o 100ma up to 40Amps.

The only control you need in this circuit is 1 switch to select the range of the frequency and a potentiometer that select the min resonant frequency than when its on it should always work in resonance automatically.

If you input a pulse width regulable frequency on pin 5 of IC1 you can gate it as to control the power output of the circuit.

you could add the lock indicator circuit (4001) that control a switch (4016) to put another potentiometer as voltage control to manual search the resonance. When it reachs resonance it will turn of the switch and allow the filter section to be reconnected to pin 9 of ic1. On meyer diagram this is much clear. I didn't used the resonant scanning circuit as i found it was not necessary for this basic PLL.

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[sebosfato]

I made many simulations today and found that calculations work very well for all parameters, and you only have to chose the inductor the resistance, capacitor and input voltage. It gives you the transformer values in inductance values for the primary and secondary. The resonant frequency and impedance, complex impedance, secondary voltage and output current. And recirculating current, Bandwidth and also the graphic witch show the Q in respect of voltage gain vs frequency.
It also give to you the power consumed in watts and recirculating kwatts.

I Would recommend you the following if you want to build or simulate it.

Choose the voltage of the battery for say 14v than capacitor and inductor value on the calculation and series resistance of the inductor and series resistance of the capacitor. Actually you will note on the calculation that the resistance value is what govern the power consume of the circuit so you should choose the inductor and capacitor values as to have the circulating current and voltage ratio you want. Why ratio??? if you use bigger inductance value the ratio of voltage to current change. Whenever your inductor in Henries is 1.000.000 times bigger than the capacitance value you will have a 1000 volts per amp circulating. Actually the current depends only on the resistance in reference to the voltage supply. So the bigger the inductor the higher the voltage. Recirculate around 5 amps using 60W is quite reasonable value.

On the diagram i posted i found to be better to use the transistor in common collector configuration using a couple of 2n2222 and a couple of tip 31 I think would be better to add more transistors in the rig to make them work cold. Strangely i got better results with tip31 than with 2n3055A that similar to tip 35 witch i don't have here on the simulation
(if you are using the software i indicated on core2 computers you must instal a little application that automatically sets the affinity of the program only to the first processor as to have it to work properly i'm going to try (run first) a program... There is another way of have it to work well is just to go to the task manager and select the affinity manually.


Try to use meyer values for it seems quite good just maintain the respect.

Power consume can be found from calculating the following 1° you find your recirculating current witch is = to: ((supply voltage /tank resistance)/2) the result is = to the recirculating current if you take this result ^2 and * by the resistance again you have the power dissipated on the tank than you can add losses on the primary and transistors...



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[sebosfato]

Sorry the last formula was wrong is not the power consumption but the recirculating current formula : input voltage/tank series resistance/2 but if you take the result the recirculating current and ^2 and again multiply by the resistance you have your power consumption sorry. i'm going to edit the last post to correct that.

[sebosfato]

make me know if you tried the calculations and or if you understand what i'm talking about. Feel free to make questions but please first check it all and if you didn't read yet the all thread please read it all and consider printing it and also the all information and papers i referenced.

[TRON]

Please learn Eagle 5.6.0 Schematic Software

@Sebofatso:

Eagle Software can make schematics correctly so that people can duplicate and export JPG image to post to forum. If you can take the time to scribble like a 6 year old, you can take the time to post a good image...

Seriously...Who is going to contribute money to someone who wont even take the time to do a professional job...

well there are some rich idiots out there.... those are the guys who will be sending you their money...

not me! Im not an idiot.
Question sebofatso..

Explain how we get these high circulating currents through a .006 thousandths thick 36 gage wire??? ( in the SM patent, part of the VIC... the secondary coil...)

start there!
thats why i dont believe anything you post!
it's impossible...

prove it!!! or stop asking for money!

[sebosfato]

Tron

Please read with attention. I said all over the thread that the vic transformer is just to input energy in a tank circuit witch is composed of a Capacitor and a coil of thick wire actually about 4mm thick in my case on the drawing i posted you see it very clear that the vic yes it have 36 awg wire or any wire you like to use on it i'm using right now steel insulated wire that i found on a hardware shop thats not important because depending on your configuration you will have like stanley said only about from 20 to 1ma the fact is that this energy is going in a tank circuit that is able to accumulate this energy making the energy goes from the inductor to the capacitor and vice versa charging up to very high power densities. The resonance don't happens on the vic transformer, it is constructed in such a way that the resonance cant come back to it to destroy it and this is the real action of the blocking diode to not allow the energy to come back to the transformer. If you open my calculation you will see that when you change the resistance independently of frequency or capacitance and inductance values in exception of voltage what you change is the recirculating current and power consumption. More resistance = to lower power consume because as i described i found a constant that is that calculation i posted about power consumption and it depends only on the voltage supply and resistance values i confirmed this on spice simulation. For example working on 12v and a total series resistance of 1 ohm in the tank circuit you consume 36w. When i noted the this relation i started trying to find a way to calculate it and i invented that calculus and it work exact. I will back to the vic transformer;

It is not made to resonate. This is why stanley used stainless steel wire. I think he also used permanent magnets that should interact with the steel ferritic 430 to increase output impedance even further. You see Stanley said 40kv 1 ma using 40 watts so 40M 0hms.
I say 40kv 40 watts series resistance 1,2 ohm 40 Mohms 1ma input current 5amp recirculating current. 40kwatts recirculating power...

Don't you think we are taking about the same thing???


I didn't made photoshop perfect because i would spent one day on doing this and wont work here on my project for 1 day you see. If you can do it you are welcome to help us doing this. About eagle i have it here but it don't show you some of the pins on the ics and this confuse people when they try to replicate it happened to me once. On the drawings everything is very clear very easy to make in about 1 hour one could make it all. Ohh note I'm using now an irfz44n mosfet because i blew all my transistors just couldn't put them to work yet. With mosfet goes nice.

And in the last 5 days i exploded and burned about 6 transistors and more 3 drivers making tests and also an entire unite 3 days ago because i my friend was helping me and distracted connected with reverse polarity and it exploded most of the components. Anyway you see only here about 30 euros of cost i came back to my fast prototype board for non wasting time figuring out fixing it yet because my oscilloscope is broken too. You see you don't need not even an oscilloscope to make it just nice multimeters do the work if you know what you are doing obviously oscilloscope in my case would help a lot but got no money to fix it. You see Tron sometimes money is needed to make things. There are people who have the money but don't have the skill to make what i'm doing so you say why not help him to do what i'll never be able or would like to be one day able do.
Thank you for reading i guess you are going to understand what i talk about.
Best Regards

[sebosfato]

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