Atomic Physics and Stan Meyers Gas Processor

[sebosfato]

Have you all seeing the chain reaction?

I have something to say now. I believe Electrons can't be consumed the way stanley said because even if you have for say a current flow in a lamp for example and you measure current from whatever side you see no difference so it don't consume electrons you only consume energy because the electrons are not converted into photons the energy is transformed into photons packs of energy. I think stanley was not doing what he said he was doing, I think he used the laser energy only to allow a kind of superconducting condition by freeing the electrons from the cathode and used the high voltage to accelerate the electrons and cause collision on the atoms releasing its electrons. Ionization is to leave the oxygen atom with less electrons right! I think his gas processor was directly connected to the injector i mean all this free electrons went to the high voltage side of his injector but he had water mist in the middle witch instantly by high energy collisions explodes.

Think about how to take of this electrons from the air, the only way to do it is using a diode connected to a resonant tank because when you have the high voltage the electrons are going inside the tank and than can be reused later. The laser energy must be in phase with voltage so laser must be driven in the resonant frequency of the tank This can be easily done with the pll design and feedback i already described how on my thread.

Read anything you find about low work function electrodes. As i said there are some explosive materials that after being electrolyzed forms a oxide coating with very low working function. By the way calcium oxide can be one of them. I don't have money now to buy the lasers and this materials for testing but who knows maybe next month i will be able to make tests in this direction.

[NewGuy]

I havent any chemistry background iether and still dont know why he needed that airgas processor.... I cant even find the the differance in structure between an expanded/heated molecule and a room temperature molecule.Its all fun to research, some answers are too difficult to find without knowing what the purpose of the tests are too conclude.I kinda gave up research after reading this link seeing that at O can be possoitive,the uneducated conclusion I came up with was to test if it made a differance with all possitive ions or all negative ions in combustion power or gasses needed and still havent got that far yet. And how to measure what effect the metal has or even the differance in possitive or negative ground systems .What is the purpose of the airgas proccessor ? Inhaled Ionized Oxygen

[HMS-776]

Good info everyone! As I said before my only purpose in starting this post was to see if I came up with the same wavelengths as H2O. It seems my conclusions are coming closer to his.



From my understanding, I believe the sequence of events in the Gas Processor to be as follows:

1.The Photon energy is at resonance with each energy level. It's purpose is to aid only the first ionization of the atom.

2. After the first ionization, the free electron is accelerated toward the positive voltage field, and gains energy because of it's increased velocity.

3. As the electron travels toward the positive voltage zone it collides with other atoms, causing impact ionization, freeing more electrons which continue the process of an electron avalanche.

4. The electrons reach the positive voltage zone but continue to travel through the circuit toward the point of origin of charge (in an effort to stabilize the difference in potential), but during their travel they encounter a tungsten filament, which converts the energy into heat and light, consuming the electrons.

I really don't think it's any more sophistacated than that. If Stan used photon energy to aid in each ionization he would need a large variety of LED's and many would be in wavelengths to short for LED's to be used. I just need to understand a little bit more about the oxygen atom. Like I mentioned before, I started this post only as a means for my understanding (since I have never had a chem class), to see if once I understood it, I would come up with the same conclusions as others have.

So Far I have found a few differences. In my research I have found that oxygen's first excited state is a forbidden state:

In the isolated molecule, the transition is strictly forbidden by spin, symmetry and parity selection rules, making it one of nature's most forbidden transitions. In other words, direct excitation of ground state oxygen by light to form singlet oxygen is very improbable. -wikipedia, Singlet Oxygen

Because the optical excitation of this state involves a doubly forbidden transition, a two step process is required. First the molecule is optically excited to the second energy state, which is 1.63eV above the ground state. It then undergoes collisional relaxation to the first excited state. -Paper obtained from NASA

Therefore it seems necessary (and possible) to skip the first state all together and excite the atom directly to it's second excited state using 1.63eV (760-761nm).

Other than that, I'm still trying to understand how many levels there are and what energy is required for each level...

[sebosfato]

Einstein said the intensity is not important just the frequency.

You are right in part but i believe that if you choose 410nm you have more chances to success.

About the electrons being consumed the only way you could make to consume them would be by electron emission but is quite difficult to emit al those electrons as i found in my calculation that to take it up to the 4th energy state implicate in consume 100 amps for only one mole of oxygen or 10 liters of oxygen. Thats why i say he used this current to make a high power electrolysis by having the gas processor to be part of the resonant tank.

[NewGuy]

if the intensity has nothing to do with it then why does a modified pointer laser burn a match while without modification it doesnt?

[sebosfato]

New guy i i'm talking about the photoelectric effect did you saw this PhET Photoelectric Effect - Light, Quantum Mechanics, Photons, Electrons ?

[sebosfato]

Power dissipation depends only on current^2*resistance ! And voltage * current !
right?
Is a big surprise to me that you never calculated the number of electrons you have in one mole of oxygen or 1 liter of water however. Did you saw the exel calculation i posted on my thread?

The number of atoms in 1 mol of oxygen is = to N° Avogadro 6,022141703E+23 so if you consider 4 electrons extracted from each atom you have 4*6,022141703E+23 electrons. knowing that 1 eletron = 1,602*10^-19 coulombs and that 1 amper / hour = 3600 coulombs you have this calculation

Number of electrons * 1,602*10^-19 / 3600 and you have the number of amperes hour.

Kelvin generators generates high voltage at micro amps because its capacitance values are very very low.

Is just how mother nature is made.

[NewGuy]

New guy i i'm talking about the photoelectric effect did you saw this PhET Photoelectric Effect - Light, Quantum Mechanics, Photons, Electrons ?

well thanks for that link.... nice

[h20power]

This is why I don't like talking to for you have just enough smarts to be a danger to all that are around you. The math you posted is wrong do a unit analysis and you might find your mistake, I am not going to correct it for you. Another question for that you should already figured out on your own: " How many liters of air will you have to process to get 22.4L of pure oxygen at STP or one mole of oxygen?" This is the math that I said I would not do for if I do it no one would understand what I was talking about. So you thought you would loose me in numbers, right? Not! Make the corrections to your math and answer the question given and we can talk, but don't look for me to correct mistakes you make.


h2opower.

Power dissipation depends only on current^2*resistance ! And voltage * current !
right?
Is a big surprise to me that you never calculated the number of electrons you have in one mole of oxygen or 1 liter of water however. Did you saw the exel calculation i posted on my thread?

The number of atoms in 1 mol of oxygen is = to N° Avogadro 6,022141703E+23 so if you consider 4 electrons extracted from each atom you have 4*6,022141703E+23 electrons. knowing that 1 eletron = 1,602*10^-19 coulombs and that 1 amper / hour = 3600 coulombs you have this calculation

Number of electrons * 1,602*10^-19 / 3600 and you have the number of amperes hour.

Kelvin generators generates high voltage at micro amps because its capacitance values are very very low.

Is just how mother nature is made.

[sebosfato]

H20 You don't want to correct me because you don't really know how to do it. I didn't asked no one to correct it as i know it is right. I always thought The calculation you shown and all your math explanation were just copy and paste from wikipedia.

1 mole of oxygen is about 10,88 liters of oxygen not 22. And its easy enough to know how many liters of air you need to have 10,88 liters of oxygen, being it about 20% in air you need 50 liters of air at 25° i guess.

How i know 10,88 liter of oxygen is = to 1 mole???
1 liter of water when transformed in h2 and 02 totalize 1847 liters of gas being oxygen 1/3 of this and having 55,51 moles of oxygen in 1 liter of water, 1 mole totalize: 1847/3/55,51= 10,88 liters of gas

About the comment i made about the kelvin generator:
What is capacitance? Isn't it the measure of how many electrons or charge a capacitor need to accumulate to form 1v potential?

I don't want a competition i'm just giving you some of my information.

Coulomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 eletron = 1,602*10^-19 coulombs
1 coulomb = 6,241506*10^18 electrons
1 amper / hour = 3600 coulomb
1 faraday = 96485,3415 coulombs
1 hour = 3600 seconds
1 coulomb = 1 amp * 1 second

I'm going to go even ahead now.

For electrolysis you need about 53,5 amps for every mole of water do you know why ???
1 faraday = 96485,3415 coulombs
Second faraday electrolysis depends on the number of electrons to be dissociated so for 1 mole of water we must count 2 electron for each molecule. 2*Avogadro N°. So 2*6,022141703E+23*1,602*10^-19 to know how many coulombs and than divide it by /3600 to have amps hour consume. If you noted is almost the same calculation of the amps extracted i described so you can't say my unites are wrong, seems to me that you really don't know what you are talking about.

Anyway i decided to post this here as i think it contribute to thread not to seem to know more than you. By the way i'm doing exactly what stan did but didn't show. Did you saw the dune buggy with you eyes in front of you? Did you examined it? no. me too. So you can't say that what i'm doing is different. He kept you far away from his secretes.

[h20power]

So you never heard of the ideal gas laws before, huh? Like I said before you have just enough smarts to be dangerous. Does anyone out there feel like teaching him some science? I'd be willing to bet he doesn't even know what STP stands for or even ATM for that matter. This is why I can't understand him for he doesn't understand chemistry well enough to be understood.

How many out their would like me to correct his problem or is willing to correct his mistakes?


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

So you never heard of the ideal gas laws before, huh? Like I said before you have just enough smarts to be dangerous. Does anyone out there feel like teaching him some science? I'd be willing to bet he doesn't even know what STP stands for or even ATM for that matter. This is why I can't understand him for he doesn't understand chemistry well enough to be understood.

How many out their would like me to correct his problem or is willing to correct his mistakes?


h2opower.

Yes H20 I have the calculations of Ideal gas also on my Exel document.
H20 if you continue to being so difficult is hard to have a productive discussion. On your thread you have ignored what i had to say and you advised people reading that to ignor me too. And you don't even know that the number of molecules in one mole of water don't change with ATM STP ftp html...

Please instead of being so polemical read and learn.

Guys i hope you all understood what i'm talking about however i was thinking about meyer and he shows a W isolated ground on the gas processor and i was thinking if maybe this was not only the cathode being irradiated by the laser and releasing the electrons from the metal and the positive high voltage on the anode to accelerate the electrons to collide with oxygen molecules and extract this current to make his electrolysis or his high voltage high amps injectors. I thought that because if we ionize the cathode by releasing his free electrons it become positive charged and being the anode also a positive charged electrode you create a repelling force that could be what stan said to not allow electrons to come back to the oxygen atoms. This could also during the pulse of or maybe all the time makes that the cathode start to steal the electrons remained on oxygen getting it back to the metal as the gas get inside of it. I'm not sure its very clear what i mean. The cathode not connected to the vic. Actually on the vic he showed only one wire going out i'm wrong?

Now any of you know how much thick must be a hole to make lets say 1 liters of air per second at a vacuum pressure = x (H20 You have being a mechanic for 20 years do you know the vacuum pressure on the intake of a 1.600cc car?)
And the calculation to make it?

[TRON]

Some food for thought

1. wavelength is a measurement over time
If the wavelength is shorter, you get more photon movement per second in your beam of light, thus more action translates to a higher probability of hitting something...a shorter wavelength contains more energy per second than a longer wavelength, when the two are compared... pretty simple, the shorter the better...

2. as far as pulsing the LED's
I understand from electronics articles that the amount of power that an LED can handle is based on continuous on time. This is related to the amount of heat that the diode can pass to ambient air and the temperature of the element before it melts, this is why you need a current limiting resistor, If you pulse this LED at 50% duty cycle it can handle twice the power of a continuously operated device. if you change the pulse width to 25%, the LED should be able to handle 3 times the current, because you are allowing a longer cooling off period between bursts. The LED driver circuits do just that. By driving an LED with a frequency square wave of specific pulse width, you can get more photon output over the same time period, i dont think the frequency is as important as the pulse width in getting a long life span from the device.

3. if you read the patent, there is some language that eludes to the frequency of the LED's 1khz to and beyond 10khz( it doesnt seem to matter if the frequency matches your EEC or resonant frequency).See page 67 of 234, Meyers Full data

4. by pulsing the LED's you benefit from the INRUSH current producing a greater intensity of photons to be emitted than a continuous on time would give

[TRON]

...he shows a W isolated ground on the gas processor and i was thinking if maybe this was not only the cathode being irradiated by the laser and releasing the electrons from the metal and the positive high voltage on the anode to accelerate the electrons to collide with oxygen molecules and extract this current to make his electrolysis or his high voltage high amps injectors. I thought that because if we ionize the cathode by releasing his free electrons it become positive charged and being the anode also a positive charged electrode you create a repelling force that could be what stan said to not allow electrons to come back to the oxygen atoms. .......

ALL THIS TALK OF REPELLING FORCE TO NOT ALLOW... IS ALL HOGWASH

ITS VERY SIMPLE , ONE HALF OF THE TIME THE VOLTAGE ZONES (PLUS AND MINUS) ARE DISTENDING THE ELECTRON ORBITS AND CAUSING THE ESCAPE OF ELECTRONS FROM THEIR ORBITS....THE OTHER HALF OF THE TIME THE VOLTAGE ZONE IS OFF AND THE ELECTRONIC OPTICAL RELAY/SWITCHES IN THE FILAMENT IN THE eec circuit AND THE ELECTRONS THAT ARE FREE GO TO THE POSITIVE TERMINAL THROUGH THE LIGHT BULB, BUT END UP EMITTED AS PHOTONS INTO THE OUTER AIR, WELL AWAY FROM THE GAS PROCESSOR... 50% HIGH VOLTAGE, 50% EEC, 50% HIGH VOLTAGE, 50% EEC, AND ON AND ON AND ON... WHY DO YOU MAKE IT SO COMPLICATED WITH YOUR FANCY WORDS, DONT CONFUSE PEOPLE...

THE LED LIGHTS ARE TO HELP GET MORE ELECTRONS TO BE LOOSENED FROM THE AMBIENT AIR AND CAPTURED DURING THE EEC CYCLE

WITH ONE INCH OF AIR GAP BETWEEN THE 2 STAINLESS PLATES, YOU CAN GET UP TO 17,000 VOLTS BEFORE ARCING.

This could also during the pulse of or maybe all the time makes that the cathode start to steal the electrons remained on oxygen getting it back to the metal as the gas get inside of it. I'm not sure its very clear what i mean. The cathode not connected to the vic. Actually on the vic he showed only one wire going out i'm wrong? ...............

YES YOU ARE WRONG, THAT DIAGRAM IS A CUT AWAY VIEW OF THE ACTUAL BOBBIN, IT DOES NOT SHOW ALL THE CONNECTIONS, IT SHOWS HOW THE TWO CHOKE COILS ARE FOLDED INTO THE SAME CORE ON THE SAME CAVITIES AT THE SAME TIME SIDE BY SIDE, EACH OF THE 14 CHOKE CAVITIES HAS BOTH CHOKES WIRED SIMULTANEOUSLY WRAPPED (BIFILAR) SO IF ONE CAVITY CAN HOLD 100 TURNS OF WIRE, THEN EACH CHOKE HAS 50 TURNS EACH CAVITY, SIDE BY SIDE, IF THE CHOKE CAVITIES CAN HOLD 1400 TURNS OF WIRE, THEN EACH CHOKE IS 700 TURNS DISTRIBUTED IN 14 CAVITIES
THE CHOKE CAVITIES ARE NOT WOUND (A),(B),(A),(B),(A),(B),... LIKE SOME PEOPLE THINK.... THEY ARE WOUND (AB), (AB), (AB)...

THAT FERRITE CORE RING TORROID COIL IN YOUR DRAWING IS THE OLD TECHNOLOGY, BEFORE THE BETTER VIC WAS DESIGNED... IT STEPS UP THE VOLTAGE BUT HAS MORE RINGING AND LESS IMPEDANCE TO HIGH CURRENTS AND ARCING THAN THE NEW PANCAKE BOBBIN STYLE VIC ON THE EI CORE.

[h20power]

So then you would know that 22.4L of any gas at STP or 1
ATM is aproximently equal to 1 mole of the gas. Oh, we are talking about the Gas Processor in this thread. So again, "How many liters of air would the gas processor need to process in order to get one mole of oxygen?" This question is important as it goes to the math you provided and got wrong. As for the questions you have for me not until you show me you know what it is you are talking about we have nothing to talk about. Also stop trying to change the subject for this thread is geared for talks on the Gas Processor only. I wish Dr. Lindemann would also point out your error in units for perhapes you would listen to him given our history together. If anyone out can give him a helping hand I think he would be gratefull for if it comes from me he will think I am just putting him down.

For anyone wanting to take more chemistry know that you have to take all of it to fully understand how matter comes together for if you don't learn about the rates of the reactions, enthapy, entropy, endothermic, and exothermic reactions all would have done is make yourself a danger to yourself and everyone else around you.

h2opower.

Yes H20 I have the calculations of Ideal gas also on my Exel document.
H20 if you continue to being so difficult is hard to have a productive discussion. On your thread you have ignored what i had to say and you advised people reading that to ignor me too. And you don't even know that the number of molecules in one mole of water don't change with ATM STP ftp html...

Please instead of being so polemical read and learn.

Guys i hope you all understood what i'm talking about however i was thinking about meyer and he shows a W isolated ground on the gas processor and i was thinking if maybe this was not only the cathode being irradiated by the laser and releasing the electrons from the metal and the positive high voltage on the anode to accelerate the electrons to collide with oxygen molecules and extract this current to make his electrolysis or his high voltage high amps injectors. I thought that because if we ionize the cathode by releasing his free electrons it become positive charged and being the anode also a positive charged electrode you create a repelling force that could be what stan said to not allow electrons to come back to the oxygen atoms. This could also during the pulse of or maybe all the time makes that the cathode start to steal the electrons remained on oxygen getting it back to the metal as the gas get inside of it. I'm not sure its very clear what i mean. The cathode not connected to the vic. Actually on the vic he showed only one wire going out i'm wrong?

Now any of you know how much thick must be a hole to make lets say 1 liters of air per second at a vacuum pressure = x (H20 You have being a mechanic for 20 years do you know the vacuum pressure on the intake of a 1.600cc car?)
And the calculation to make it?