Ionization & Water Fuel

[pengrove]

So nitrogen gas + two moles of hydroxide = N(OH)2 which can generate THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY?

I thought that Meyers did not use electrolyte? And would this not cause harm to the engine? Or am I totally off base?

[Aaron]

NOT from electrolytes

The sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide stays in the cell and is NOT
part of the nitrogen hydroxide oxide.

Hydroxide is from the water and nitrogen in 78% concentration in the
ambient air is the source of of the nitrogen.

EDIT: Electrolyte isn't needed for this if using other methods for creating
the water fuel, it is just an option for the lower tech methods.

[tutanka]

The sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide stays in the cell and is NOT
part of the nitrogen hydroxide oxide.

Hydroxide is from the water and nitrogen in 78% concentration in the
ambient air is the source of of the nitrogen.

EDIT: Electrolyte isn't needed for this if using other methods for creating
the water fuel, it is just an option for the lower tech methods.

Any electrolyte must be used, if you add that you don't obtain just reaction...

[Aaron]

electrolyte

Tutanka,

Are you saying do NOT use electrolyte?

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

Are you saying do NOT use electrolyte?

NO electrolyte IS USED! This alters the reaction inside the cell, if you add also in little amount potassium or sodium you don't obtain nitrogen hydroxide...Regards

[Aaron]

@Tutanka

Tutanka,

Ok, you said "must be used". You meant "must not be used."
Got it.

Is single distilled water ok or does it have to be double or triple distilled?

Is there any reason this motor/generator won't work?
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@All,

Is there anyone here reading this that has an HHO cells already built
that is thinking about or is already trying to apply these concepts?

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

Ok, you said "must be used". You meant "must not be used."
Got it.

Is single distilled water ok or does it have to be double or triple distilled?

Is there any reason this motor/generator won't work?
- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

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@All,

Is there anyone here reading this that has an HHO cells already built
that is thinking about or is already trying to apply these concepts?

Aaron,
I have been corrected however you can use all water with just carbon filters associated to an UV field first to send inside the cell for two things .... eliminate bacteries from water and charge water at the same time.. Regards

[rosco1]

Marketing.

Aaron,

We do have plans for getting this stuff out to the masses.

The idea at present, is for us to get each individual piece of the puzzle thoroughly sorted out and tested to our own satisfaction, prior to going public.

It's premature for us to be releasing any clear details of our processes at this time.

In the near future, we will be making available a fully informative CD(with personal license), enabling the purchaser to know exactly what is required, and how to go about making it work/happen for him.

We will also be making available each and every part of the system, all sold as separate individual parts.

Edit: We are also not interested in fielding interest from large companies or corporations, rather, we wish to make this technology available to whoever chooses to use it for their own personal use.

[Aaron]

@Rosco

Rosco,

You guys are brave

It feels like it is about to be the right time for something like this to
happen.

[h20power]

Yes, I see importance of nitrogen now.

I think Meyers intentionally misled people through all of his documents
for protection.

Then explain the "Hydrogen Gas Gun." It has three stacked resonant cavities, that feed directly into the Gas Processor, and only water is feed into the resonant cavities. No Nitrogen is present in the system and it produces thermo explosive energy.

Read news letter #4: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81023

Now I am going to enjoy seeing the explanations of this demonstration device. This news letter shows the "Hydrogen Gas Gun" fully assembled and again there is no Nitrogen gas flowing through the system. This is why I focused on Oxygen for it's in the patent and this device shows that the oxygen and the hydrogen are the only gases flowing through the gas processor being striped of electrons.

Time to put your thinking caps on everyone, what do you see, what do you read? This is important for it shows that thermal explosive energy is being produced with only hydrogen and oxygen gas flowing through the gas processor. Everyone is so quick to jump on the nitrogen band wagon and call Stanley Meyer a lier just because they themselves having little to no chemistry or physics background couldn't get the device working by only focusing on the water fuel capacitor and even building it wrong. A total lack of understanding is all I see here. But please go right on ahead and try to answer the question laid out in front of you, as I am sure inquiring minds want to know .

Here are some unanswered questions for tutanka: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post59634

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.

[Aaron]

How to Make Nitrogen Hydroxide

Here is a 3 page compilation of this thread. I condensed it into a couple
categories. It is short and sweet. It is INCOMPLETE. There are a few
things that need to be added that may or may not be apparent to get
a full working motor. But it will give the Nitrogen Hydroxide story and more.
How to Make Nitrogen Hydroxide

EDIT: This is version 1.0

[tutanka]

Then explain the "Hydrogen Gas Gun." It has three stacked resonant cavities, that feed directly into the Gas Processor, and only water is feed into the resonant cavities. No Nitrogen is present in the system and it produces thermo explosive energy.

Read news letter #4: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81023

Now I am going to enjoy seeing the explanations of this demonstration device. This news letter shows the "Hydrogen Gas Gun" fully assembled and again there is no Nitrogen gas flowing through the system. This is why I focused on Oxygen for it's in the patent and this device shows that the oxygen and the hydrogen are the only gases flowing through the gas processor being striped of electrons.

Time to put your thinking caps on everyone, what do you see, what do you read? This is important for it shows that thermal explosive energy is being produced with only hydrogen and oxygen gas flowing through the gas processor. Everyone is so quick to jump on the nitrogen band wagon and call Stanley Meyer a lier just because they themselves having little to no chemistry or physics background couldn't get the device working by only focusing on the water fuel capacitor and even building it wrong. A total lack of understanding is all I see here. But please go right on ahead and try to answer the question laid out in front of you, as I am sure inquiring minds want to know .

Here are some unanswered questions for tutanka: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post59634

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.[/QUOTE]

H2OPOWER,
You are oriented to meyer patent, I not.. I have every written that .. AIR contain 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen, your gas processor use air not only oxygen.. you don't want consider that .. you consider ONLY OXYGEN.. I don't want that you change idea..
However only nitrogen hydroxide don't run completely 100% an engine, australian inventor also mix with gasoline.. Meyer had an best idea mix Nitrogen with Hydrogen created inside the car for reach THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.. in fact your gas processor generate NOT OXYGEN DESTABILIZED BUT NITROGEN HYDROXIDE. Meyer in first stage mix with WFC.. in the second stage have created reactor/injector.. an all-in-one system. Think it... N and H will power a rocket to the moon if it has O to oxidise it

[sebosfato]

why would nitrogen hydroxide give you more energy than you put in ?

[tutanka]

why would nitrogen hydroxide give you more energy than you put in ?

You need to read thread and maybe your mind is illuminated.. N2 normally is inert gas but after is very important responsible working in tandem with hydrogen for obtain just thermal reaction..

[rosco1]

What are you on? WTF are you on!

Then explain the "Hydrogen Gas Gun." It has three stacked resonant cavities, that feed directly into the Gas Processor, and only water is feed into the resonant cavities. No Nitrogen is present in the system and it produces thermo explosive energy.

Read news letter #4: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81023

Now I am going to enjoy seeing the explanations of this demonstration device. This news letter shows the "Hydrogen Gas Gun" fully assembled and again there is no Nitrogen gas flowing through the system. This is why I focused on Oxygen for it's in the patent and this device shows that the oxygen and the hydrogen are the only gases flowing through the gas processor being striped of electrons.

Time to put your thinking caps on everyone, what do you see, what do you read? This is important for it shows that thermal explosive energy is being produced with only hydrogen and oxygen gas flowing through the gas processor. Everyone is so quick to jump on the nitrogen band wagon and call Stanley Meyer a lier just because they themselves having little to no chemistry or physics background couldn't get the device working by only focusing on the water fuel capacitor and even building it wrong. A total lack of understanding is all I see here. But please go right on ahead and try to answer the question laid out in front of you, as I am sure inquiring minds want to know .

Here are some unanswered questions for tutanka: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post59634

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.

H20power,

Does your hypocricy know any bounds?

Just where exactly is your proof of concept?.....Where's that?.....Oh, pardon me, and just when is that? 18 months? Just prior to the crash of the US dollar, just waitin' on 2012, the end of the world, waiting for the reptilians to land!.....pleeez!

All you've ever done is waffle on with words and one eyed theories.

Sure, you think you have a handle on Meyer's concept, and you think you've sussed out all of his entrapments, as seemingly no other person ever has, and granted, at face value, that would appear to be the case, but what if you misread just one crucial/critical element of his obvious plethora of shenanigans? What happens then? Do you then just slink off into oblivion like a rat with a gold tooth, just leaving the punters posted? I strongly suspect that would be the case. Please prove me wrong!

You're asking everyone here to just blindly follow your own interpretation of that stuff, without you ever bringing anything valid to the table to support it, other than more waffling. Do a test, do something, my goodness, don't you think the masses deserve at least that?

I've seen no proof of anything from you, nothing at all, or rather, I do see proof of something, but that would be solely related to your very own character, rather than anything whatsoever to do with this "water as fuel" topic.

As I see it, your GP, as it currently stands, could very easily make for a suitable ashtray, providing you cut slots in the top to accommodate a few cigarettes or cigars. Other than that, it's really not a useful piece of anything right now. It's currently just a paperweight, a bookend, a doorstop, a conversation piece! It could be anything else right now, other than a functional GP.

Test it and prove me wrong, but no....you can't do that now, can you! You have a plethora of excuses not to test it, don't you!

December 2009, we did a series of concept tests on a similar system to Meyers/yours, and indeed it failed miserably, on several critical points.

While I am quite loathe to report this here, for it does give you cause not to follow through with your own plans, but alas, while I'd personally like to see you fall flat on your very own backside, as we did, simple honour among men, verily dictates that I should inform you of the failure of our own attempts at replicating that concept, of which you seem so adroit at supporting.

I expect you'll now cry(hysterically) that we didn't understand some point or another, but alas our dear Grasshopper, we are but 3, not 1, and we each concluded that you're verily talking out of your Jacksie!

We're currently gearing up for concept test #2, with this altogether new approach, for we did learn a lot from our last misadventure, and whatever else may be said of us, while we may look like three silly monkeys, we are nontheless, still three clever and resilient monkeys, for we do learn, and we do adapt, we then we do apply, those lessons learned.

You want to stroke everyone around for another 18 months....well, we'll just stroke everyone around for another 18 days, and if we do fail, then give us another a couple of weeks and we'll be readying for another crack at it, from whatever angle. That said, by the time you pull your finger out of your arse, we'll have either succeeded, or we'll have dropped dead from all the umpteen tries we've made.

Unlike you, we didn't come to this game to **** people around, we came to "git 'er done!"